We're Around 4 million over the cap even with Murray and Muzzin on LTIR, Who is Gone?

[Racer88]

Burke literally traded away two 1st round picks (Seguin and Hamilton) for a one trick pony winger who doesn't play defense, thinking that his team was ready to compete for the SC despite all the evidence to the contrary, including finishing at the bottom the league the previous 2 seasons . Burke set this team back 5+ years. There is no comparison.

Dubas signed Tavares and paid the young core like multi cup winners when they were not even close to being a contender and left us with virtually no picks this year. Left us with a train wreck of a goalie which we don’t know ,how much it’s going to hurt to get rid of only a year after he traded away a first round pick to get rid of the previous train wreck goalie that he signed. Need I go on……..
We don’t know how many years Dubas has set us back but I’m betting it’s more then 5 because it’s been 5 already with a grand total of 1 single round win and we are now in a position of having to give 2 of those over paid players what ever they want or risk losing them for nothing……….wait till that chestnut hits the fan

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Kyle Dubas was the worst thing to happen to the Leafs in a long time.
He makes Burke look like a genius

Thanks for the response.

You might be right about Dubas. Unfortunately, he didn't operate in a vacuum. My concern is that Dubas was the only one fired, and it wasn't for performance reasons.

Are they really planning going to fix this?

 

[Squiffy]

This one lasted almost 7 pages before turning in to all the other threads debating Dubas, good run.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Make your picks here

No we aren't, I don't know where you got that math from but you Did it wrong

 

[Squiffy]

No we aren't, I don't know where you got that math from but you Did it wrong

About 3.2 over as it stands with Murray active, yes. From there flows the compliance question with a Sammy contract to come.

 

[Racer88]

Thanks for the response.

You might be right about Dubas. Unfortunately, he didn't operate in a vacuum. My concern is that Dubas was the only one fired, and it wasn't for performance reasons.

Are they really planning going to fix this?

I think Shanny should have been out the door with him and Keefe carrying their luggage

 

[AcerComputer]

Dubas signed Tavares and paid the young core like multi cup winners when they were not even close to being a contender and left us with virtually no picks this year. Left us with a train wreck of a goalie which we don’t know ,how much it’s going to hurt to get rid of only a year after he traded away a first round pick to get rid of the previous train wreck goalie that he signed. Need I go on……..
We don’t know how many years Dubas has set us back but I’m betting it’s more then 5 because it’s been 5 already with a grand total of 1 single round win and we are now in a position of having to give 2 of those over paid players what ever they want or risk losing them for nothing……….wait till that chestnut hits the fan

Most people liked the Tavares signing at the time. You can't really say he hasn't lived up to his contract so far, as he has played better for TOR than the NYI. Unfortunately a once in a 100 year pandemic hit, which no one could have predicted, which caused the flat cap era. The cap should be at $92m right now. Which is significant. Imagine having an extra $8.5m in cap space right now, and what you could do with that? You could fit in both Konecny and Laughton.

 

[Racer88]

Most people liked the Tavares signing at the time. You can't really say he hasn't lived up to his contract so far, as he has played better for TOR than the NYI. Unfortunately a once in a 100 year pandemic hit, which no one could have predicted, which caused the flat cap era. The cap should be at $92m right now. Which is significant. Imagine having an extra $8.5m in cap space right now, and what you could do with that? You could fit in both Konecny and Laughton.

He has played ok but not 11 million worth but that doesn’t change the fact that at the time he was the last person they needed.
As far as the pandemic goes it was the same for every team but the Leafs are the only ones that spent like a drunken sailer on shore leave and ended up with 50% spent on four similar forwards, that’s 100% on Dubas and not the pandemic.
1 in 31 teams put themselves in that position…….not 2, 3, 4, or 5 but only the Leafs

 

[Bomber0104]

Nylander should be moved.

Sucks but I'd rather lose a soon-to-be expensive empty-calorie winger than a middle class defenceman like Brodie.

We'd noticed the loss at defence more, competitively.

 

[Squiffy]

Not starting a new one, but maybe a mod can edit title to 2 million over as it currently seems to stand.

What’s left? Gambrell, Holmberg and Robertson to minors and we’re good to go on a 12-7-2 roster? Holmberg and Robertson waiver exempt, Gambrell unlikely to be claimed and whatever even if he is.

We’re done here right?

Edit: n/m, that’s 11 forwards.

 

[The Iceman]

Nylander should be moved.

Sucks but I'd rather lose a soon-to-be expensive empty-calorie winger than a middle class defenceman like Brodie.

We'd noticed the loss at defence more, competitively.

Brodie is 33 years old, almost time to hang them up.

 

[hamzarocks]

Nylander should be moved.

Sucks but I'd rather lose a soon-to-be expensive empty-calorie winger than a middle class defenceman like Brodie.

We'd noticed the loss at defence more, competitively.

Brodie sucks relative and across the board compared to Nylander

Nylander isn't empty calorie he is a top complimentary support player

One of the best guys who be 3rd - 6th best player on a cup winning team

Our issue is

34
16
91 (twice for him since he has been horrific in the playoffs)

Simply din't perform like other teams top franchise guys come playoffs

Mack, Rants, Landeskog (when healthy)
Kuch, Point, Hedman
Crosby, geno, letang
OV, Kuz, Backstrom

These group of players delivered by playing up to their role allowing for

Kadri, Nishkuskin
Stamkos, Killorn
Kessel (nylander like incredible support player), guentzel
Oshie, Carlson

To be worth their money despite any flaws as they had top guys being elite

 

[DueDiligence]

No we aren't, I don't know where you got that math from but you Did it wrong

$2 million over

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

It's hard to believe the Leafs are only spending $4.3M on both goalies combined and are STILL over the cap.

Even with LTIR accounted for.

Every now and then stupidity and arrogance join together into a concept both incredibly stupid, and exceedingly arrogant, at the same time. Like the Leafs whole Studs'n'Duds philosophy. They just had to try and prove they could build a dynasty through revolutionary thinking.

It's analogous to a patron from the enlightenment era.

Someone who believes in alchemy. So they throw a fortune at a vanity project. To prove to the world they were right.

Stupidity in pride and arrogance.

Just like the Toronto Maple Leafs. Who are capped out even after accounting for LTIR. The only team that currently find themselves in that position.

Despite having the lowest paid goaltending tandem of any contender in the league.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

$2 million over

Should be about 1.3, don't know why cap friendly has Dylan Gambrell on the roster, that's not going to happen

 

[Hellcat]

Should be about 1.3, don't know why cap friendly has Dylan Gambrell on the roster, that's not going to happen

Could it be a one way contract? Just checked its a standard contract. maybe its because he has to go through waivers? End of the day I think we can burry 1.25 mil to 1.5 mil one way contracts in the minors.

 

[DueDiligence]

Should be about 1.3, don't know why cap friendly has Dylan Gambrell on the roster, that's not going to happen

Actually he is just a "placeholder" for the 13th forward position. Counting him Leafs have 13 forwards, 7 Dmen and 2 goalies which account for being $2 million over the cap. 22 man roster which is 1 under a normal roster.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If you ditch Jarnkrok for cap space and swap holmberg for hilderby day 1 of the season the line gets within $220 of their LTIR ceiling. Swap hilderby for holmberg day 2 and you can run 13-7-2 and have $43k breathing room with a 22 man roster. Makes any future move this season dollar in dollar out, but you can squeeze a couple upgrades in later in the year by being creative.

 

[Nineteen67]

It's hard to believe the Leafs are only spending $4.3M on both goalies combined and are STILL over the cap.

Even with LTIR accounted for.

Every now and then stupidity and arrogance join together into a concept both incredibly stupid, and exceedingly arrogant, at the same time. Like the Leafs whole Studs'n'Duds philosophy. They just had to try and prove they could build a dynasty through revolutionary thinking.

It's analogous to a patron from the enlightenment era.

Someone who believes in alchemy. So they throw a fortune at a vanity project. To prove to the world they were right.

Stupidity in pride and arrogance.

Just like the Toronto Maple Leafs. Who are capped out even after accounting for LTIR. The only team that currently find themselves in that position.

Despite having the lowest paid goaltending tandem of any contender in the league.

The bigger problem is Reaves and Klingberg who are closer to PTO level players.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If you ditch Jarnkrok for cap space and swap holmberg for hilderby day 1 of the season the line gets within $220 of their LTIR ceiling. Swap hilderby for holmberg day 2 and you can run 13-7-2 and have $43k breathing room with a 22 man roster. Makes any future move this season dollar in dollar out, but you can squeeze a couple upgrades in later in the year by being creative. View attachment 731665View attachment 731667

That bottom 6 looks terrible.

That's why you keep Jarnkrok and run

Bertuzzi Matthews Marner

Domi Tavares Nylander

Knies Kampf Jarnkrok

Lafferty Holmberg Reaves.

The center position is weak but that's an incredibly strong group of wingers.

The bottom 6 already needs a proper 3rd line center let's not weaken it more by replacing Jarnkrok with Bobby Mcmann or the glass man Nick Robertson.

You want to make a change to the bottom 6?

Trade Sam Lafferty and bring in Max Comtois, assuming he's in the clear from team Canada, or Josh Bailey or Pius Suter.

All 3 are better than Sam Lafferty and at this point you would probably get them all on a minimum contract which means you save 325K

Couple that with Gambrell going to minors and now you are at 1.1 million

 

[Nylanderthal]

That bottom 6 looks terrible.

That's why you keep Jarnkrok and run

Bertuzzi Matthews Marner

Domi Tavares Nylander

Knies Kampf Jarnkrok

Lafferty Holmberg Reaves.

The center position is weak but that's an incredibly strong group of wingers.

The bottom 6 already needs a proper 3rd line center let's not weaken it more by replacing Jarnkrok with Bobby Mcmann or the glass man Nick Robertson.

You want to make a change to the bottom 6?

Trade Sam Lafferty and bring in Max Comtois, assuming he's in the clear from team Canada, or Josh Bailey or Pius Suter.

All 3 are better than Sam Lafferty and at this point you would probably get them all on a minimum contract which means you save 325K

Couple that with Gambrell going to minors and now you are at 1.1 million

No one is touching comtois and I’m not worried about what names are filling in those bottom slots, you wanna bring in Bailey or suter on pto go for it. Just showing how the team can maximize ltir room.
Guys like Robertson and McMann need to carve out roles and stick or they need to be moved on from and the first half of the season is when you do that.
Holmberg and kampf are the 3-4cs as of now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No one is touching comtois and I’m not worried about what names are filling in those bottom slots, you wanna bring in Bailey or suter on pto go for it. Just showing how the team can maximize ltir room.
Guys like Robertson and McMann need to carve out roles and stick or they need to be moved on from and the first half of the season is when you do that.
Holmberg and kampf are the 3-4cs as of now.

And I'm saying they need to be moved on from especially Robertson, that guys is made of glass.

I know who the 3rd and 4th line center are and that's the problem.

Don't make the problem worse by making the wingers worse

 

[Magic Man]

Option A - 11 forwards, 7 defenseman, 20 man roster - Timmins protected

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Marner
Domi - Kampf - Jarnkrok
X - Lafferty - Reaves

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Klingberg
Giordano - Liljegren
ex. Timmins

Samsonov
Woll

or

Option B - 12 forwards, 6 defenseman, 20 man roster - McMann protected

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Bertuzzi - Tavares - Marner
Domi - Kampf - Jarnkrok
McMann - Lafferty - Reaves

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Klingberg
Giordano - Liljegren

Samsonov
Woll

With Option A you could give more minutes to guys like Bertuzzi and Domi on line #4 and utilize Timmins on the second power play unit. Option B gives you an extra forward for a more set look up front, a bigger body that would fit the mold of that line well. There are Options C, D and so on, but from an asset management perspective if there are no other transactions between now and the start of the season, the safest play would be to protect one of the two. Ideally, Timmins if they are okay with starting the season going 11-7 until their first LTIR victim.

 

[Nylanderthal]

And I'm saying they need to be moved on from especially Robertson, that guys is made of glass.

I know who the 3rd and 4th line center are and that's the problem.

Don't make the problem worse by making the wingers worse

Worse is subjective. Jarnkrok is the definition of empty calories. Move domi down and slide Robertson up to a scoring role. Point is the roster fits quite easily and has flexibility

 

[KitchenSink]

Actually he is just a "placeholder" for the 13th forward position. Counting him Leafs have 13 forwards, 7 Dmen and 2 goalies which account for being $2 million over the cap. 22 man roster which is 1 under a normal roster.

Capfriendly also includes Robertson on the leafs roster on the short term ir meaning that his cap hit is included.

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - Kampf - Jarnkrok
Lafferty - Holmberg - Reaves

Reilly - Brodie
McCabe - Klingberg
Giordano - Liljegren
Timmons

Samsonov
Woll

This roster is about 497,283 over the cap according to Capfriendly