Value of: Vancouver Vs Colorado Thread

[John Mandalorian]

That's ok, Vancouver wouldn't trade the better play for a magic bean in Byram. The kid is good but doubtful he ever reaches Hughes current level of play

Ask Tampa about how magical this bean is. His upside has already surpassed Hughes. He just hasn't been healthy enough to be a stat accumulator that Canadian fans seem to be so enamored with. But hey, if you want to win at the highest level, one guy has the proven skill set. And it's not little older brother Hughes.

QH is a perfectly fine player though. But it's what a team (and it's fan base) expects in a timeline.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

That's ok, Vancouver wouldn't trade the better play for a magic bean in Byram. The kid is good but doubtful he ever reaches Hughes current level of play

That’s fine. It’s doubtful that Hughes is ever one of the best dman on a cup team.

 

[McJedi]

Selling Pettersson would be one heck of a kick-start for a proper re-build if anything. I seriously doubt that they would even think about it but as long as they got back a nice enough package it wouldn't be the end of the world even if there woulde be some seriously soured canucks fans.

I have a hard time believing Vancouvers GM wins an EP trade. I guess I also have to factor that into the equation.

 

[Three On Zero]

That’s fine. It’s doubtful that Hughes is ever one of the best dman on a cup team.

The same can be said for Byram

Ask Tampa about how magical this bean is. His upside has already surpassed Hughes. He just hasn't been healthy enough to be a stat accumulator that Canadian fans seem to be so enamored with. But hey, if you want to win at the highest level, one guy has the proven skill set. And it's not little older brother Hughes.

QH is a perfectly fine player though. But it's what a team (and it's fan base) expects in a timeline.

Health still plays a factor in a players overall ability. He hasn’t come close to surpassing Hughes

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The same can be said for Byram


Health still plays a factor in a players overall ability. He hasn’t come close to surpassing Hughes

Byram was the 2nd best dman on the Avs during the cup finals. He’s pretty close to Toews this year.

 

[John Mandalorian]

The same can be said for Byram

You didn't watch game 6.

Shout out to @CobraAcesS

This is the best description of Makar-Byram, by far:

Makar = Maverick with Iceman's personality
Byram = Iceman with Maverick's personality

Hughes can be in the Slider and Goose conversation,...if that helps.

 

[Three On Zero]

You didn't watch game 6.

@CobraAcesS

This is the best description of Makar-Byram, by far:

Makar = Maverick with Iceman's personality
Byram = Iceman with Maverick's personality

Hughes can be in the Slider and Goose conversation,...if that helps.

Hughes is also setting NHL records while having to play for Vancouver. A team that doesn’t have a Makar or Toews. Remove those players and see how Byram is as a full time #1…. If he can stay healthy

Makar is bordering on being a generational talent, Hughes gets scraps in comparison

Byram has the potential to be a fantastic player, but he still has major health concerns he needs to work through

 

[Killer Orcas]

Yeah, why would Vancouver need a really talented 21 year defenceman who was instrumental in the Avs winning a Stanley Cup last year?

Give the Canucks some more magic beans please! There’s no risk with defencemen that go that high in the draft…just look at Juolevi!

You probably don't realize we don't need a LHD especially another offensive Dman. We need defensive first guys 1 of each side really. As great as Byram is and we know he's good he's not a need and well let's be honest he's got some injury issues. I wish him the best though he's very talented player as everyone saw during playoffs.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Hughes is also setting NHL records while having to play for Vancouver. A team that doesn’t have a Makar or Toews. Remove those players and see how Byram is as a full time #1…. If he can stay healthy

Makar is bordering on being a generational talent, Hughes gets scraps in comparison

Byram has the potential to be a fantastic player, but he still has major health concerns he needs to work through

Funny commentary. Byram is in his "embryotic stage" to the league. And he's had a ton of injuries (concussions were last year btw). But yet, he still plays at an extremely high level in the toughest league that exists. The guy is an awesome talent...even just starting out.

If Vancouver fans are hell bent on winning trades here and trying to bend someone over, no problem, we'll gladly keep him. It's not even as if the Avs are looking to trade a talent like this.

 

[dirtydanglez]

You might be right, I was thinking he was a more offensively gifted defenceman

hes a jack of all trades.

 

[Three On Zero]

Funny commentary. Byram is in his "embryotic stage" to the league. And he's had a ton of injuries (concussions were last year btw). But yet, he still plays at an extremely high level in the toughest league that exists. The guy is an awesome talent...even just starting out.

If Vancouver fans are hell bent on winning trades here and trying to bend someone over, no problem, we'll gladly keep him. It's not even as if the Avs are looking to trade a talent like this.

Revers the teams. Hughes is coming off a Stanley cup win and just set the record for fastest defenceman to 200 assists.

Vancouver offers your a defenceman who has shown glimpses of brilliance but over the last 3 seasons has played less than a full season combined. 30 games last season and 24? this season due to injuries

Do you trade Hughes for him?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Revers the teams. Hughes is coming off a Stanley cup win and just set the record for fastest defenceman to 200 assists.

Vancouver offers your a defenceman who has shown glimpses of brilliance but over the last 3 seasons has played less than a full season combined. 30 games last season and 24? this season due to injuries

Do you trade Hughes for him?

There's no guarantee the Avs win the cup without Byram and with Hughes. No thanks on watching Hughes defending Tampa's forwards.

 

[Three On Zero]

There's no guarantee the Avs win the cup without Byram and with Hughes. No thanks on watching Hughes defending Tampa's forwards.

When Makar was the work horse? It’s pretty easy to say they’d still win with having the better player in Hughes

 

[John Mandalorian]

Revers the teams. Hughes is coming off a Stanley cup win and just set the record for fastest defenceman to 200 assists.

Vancouver offers your a defenceman who has shown glimpses of brilliance but over the last 3 seasons has played less than a full season combined. 30 games last season and 24? this season due to injuries

Do you trade Hughes for him?

This is a common refrain on the Avs board. And there are 30=40% of Avs fans that think Byram has an equal or higher ceileing of Makar. Whether it happens is there the opinions dissipate. Having said that, you're talking about a guy who, within his own fan base is compared to the most elite D in the game, so yeah. Most of us are ok if we're "stuck" with Byram. We're not looking to snip points for individual trophies in February. The Avs should be big game hunters.

Me personally, it's ride or die with Byram. Awesome, awesome talent and player. They don't just fall from trees.

 

[Avaholic29]

When Makar was the work horse? It’s pretty easy to say they’d still win with having the better player in Hughes

Byram played the most minutes out of any player on both teams involved in the finals, try again. Canucks wish they had a Byram.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Revers the teams. Hughes is coming off a Stanley cup win and just set the record for fastest defenceman to 200 assists.

Vancouver offers your a defenceman who has shown glimpses of brilliance but over the last 3 seasons has played less than a full season combined. 30 games last season and 24? this season due to injuries

Do you trade Hughes for him?

No. It's too big of a premise to overcome.

 

[Three On Zero]

This is a common refrain on the Avs board. And there are 30=40% of Avs fans that think Byram has an equal or higher ceileing of Makar. Whether it happens is there the opinions dissipate. Having said that, you're talking about a guy who, within his own fan base is compared to the most elite D in the game, so yeah. Most of us are ok if we're "stuck" with Byram. We're not looking to snip points for individual trophies in February. The Avs should be big game hunters.

Me personally, it's ride or die with Byram. Awesome, awesome talent and player. They don't just fall from trees.

He is an elite offensive D, it’s also not “snipping points in February” when it’s a career achievement and not a seasonal stat

 

[GirardSpinorama]

When Makar was the work horse? It’s pretty easy to say they’d still win with having the better player in Hughes

Byram was playing upwards of 28 and 25 flawless minutes against tampa. In close tight games, I wouldn't want to risk Hughes screwing it up.

 

[John Mandalorian]

He is an elite offensive D, it’s also not “snipping points in February” when it’s a career achievement and not a seasonal stat

What does that even mean? Everyone talks up and down about how the game is officiated differently in the post season.

Point of fact: Byram is capable at the offensive end. But he's arleady summa cum laude at the defensive end in the most high pressure games.

I'll just remind you of how it was. The back to back defending champions only got of 4 shots in the 3rd period of do or die game. It was Byram that stepped on their throats. Just watch the game if you have to. Awesome awesome performance by an elite young player.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Byram played the most minutes out of any player on both teams involved in the finals, try again. Canucks wish they had a Byram.

I think it was even strength minutes. Hughes wouldn't be trusted with that type of responsibility on the Avs.

 

[John Mandalorian]

He is an elite offensive D, it’s also not “snipping points in February” when it’s a career achievement and not a seasonal stat

Byram has carried his team across the finish line at the defensive end. And he's a perfectly capable offensive D. The Avs already have Makar. This is not a good place to go.

 

[Three On Zero]

Byram played the most minutes out of any player on both teams involved in the finals, try again. Canucks wish they had a Byram.

Uhhh, no


Byram 22 minutes game one
Makar 28 minutes game one
Toews 25 in 1

Byram 22 minutes in game two
Makar 22 minutes in game two
Toews 22 in 2

Byram 19 minutes in gam three
Makar 24 minutes in game three
Toews 25 in 3

Byram 28 in game four
Makar 34 in game four
Toews 32 in 4

Byram 21 in 5
Makar 28 in 5
Toews 25 in 5

Makar 24 in 6
Byram 25 in 6
Toews 26 in 6

Makar 24 in 7
Byram 25 in 7
Toews 25 in 7

 

[Raistlin]

This is a common refrain on the Avs board. And there are 30=40% of Avs fans that think Byram has an equal or higher ceileing of Makar. Whether it happens is there the opinions dissipate. Having said that, you're talking about a guy who, within his own fan base is compared to the most elite D in the game, so yeah. Most of us are ok if we're "stuck" with Byram. We're not looking to snip points for individual trophies in February. The Avs should be big game hunters.

Me personally, it's ride or die with Byram. Awesome, awesome talent and player. They don't just fall from trees.

You guys are as "stuck" with him as Vancouver is with OEL's financial commitments. It takes a desperate franchise to trade into that onerous a risk.

Lol, I think I just described Vancouver. Definitely on brand of that franchise to trade their first for a guy to plug a age gap hole, just to have him go on LTIR for 6 months.

 

[Three On Zero]

Byram has carried his team across the finish line at the defensive end. And he's a perfectly capable offensive D. The Avs already have Makar. This is not a good place to go.

You mean Makar Carried his team across the finish line

You guys are as "stuck" with him as Vancouver is with OEL's financial commitments. It takes a desperate franchise to trade into that onerous a risk.

Lol, I think I just described Vancouver. Definitely on brand of that franchise to trade their first for a guy to plug an age gap hole, just to have him go on LTIR for 6 months.

Trading a 1st for a guy who struggles to stay healthy and plays with Makar and Toews is 100% a Canucks move

 

[John Mandalorian]

You guys are as "stuck" with him as we are with OEL's financial commitments. It takes a desperate franchise to trade into that onerous a risk.

Lol, I think I just described Vancouver. Definitely on brand of that franchise to trade their first for a guy to plug a age gap hole, just to have him go on LTIR for 6 months.

Big talk. You traded for OEL later in his career, no?