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Nico Hischier

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The avs would say NO so fast. This is not close. And newhook is just a throw in? Byram is great when he’s healthy. It looks like the concussions are in the past hopefully. Avs would probably trade girard for cap savings
 
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LemonSauceD said:
Avs fans severely overrate Byram like he’s the 2nd best defenseman in the league.

He’s a top 4 defenseman, with potential to be top 2. That’s the gamble the Canucks take. Byram is NOT as good as you think he is defensively. He’s a great puck mover and distributor and he’s versatile, but in no way shape or form is he this defensive all around stud like you guys are claiming him to be, and suggesting Hughes would be a downgrade shows how much you lack knowledge of the game (not specifically you, but @GirardSpinorama
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Hughes is a downgrade defensively and he also wouldn't be getting the prime offensive opportunities. Byram will likely be paired with Makar once toews gets a huge contract. Hughes would have to be insulated by a Manson on the 2nd pairing. No need for Hughes and the 8MM that could be much better spent elsewhere.

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Because he might be one more concussion away from his career being over?
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There's no magic number for how many concussion a player can have in their career. All we know is Byram's play currently doesn't indicate any effect from the concussion from a year ago.
 
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Reality Czech said:
Because he might be one more concussion away from his career being over?
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So might Kyrou or Thomas. Guess you should trade them right now.

Grinner said:
Fully realized, Byram is a high end #1 D in annual Norris discussions.

Besides you who else is talking about Byram as if he's in "annual Norris discussions"?
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He’s 21. He’s playing incredible hockey and has since the playoffs where he got his name on the Cup. How many Vancouver Canucks have their name in a Cup?

Dude has an incredibly high ceiling.

NYI fans told us Toews was a good number 5, low end number 4. On your list above, he’s number 8 in the Norris discussion.

That’s great for a number 5 D guy. Toews is up there with a bunch of top pair guys.

Avs fans know what they have in Byram. The potential. And so do a lot of other fan bases that would fall all over themselves to acquire him.
 
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Grinner said:
Fully realized, Byram is a high end #1 D in annual Norris discussions.

Besides you who else is talking about Byram as if he's in "annual Norris discussions"?
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It's almost like Byram isn't "Fully realized" yet.

Maybe he won't reach his full potential, but there's absolutely the potential for him to be an elite 1D in the near future. And, his injuries suggest that he'll most likely get a bridge deal, so, if he can stay healthy and continue to develop his existing skills, there's also a good opportunity to get elite 1D skills for a reasonable cap hit for the next couple of seasons. He's exactly the kind of kid you do not trade under almost any circumstances, because there's so much upside.
 
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McJedi said:
So might Kyrou or Thomas. Guess you should trade them right now.


He’s 21. He’s playing incredible hockey and has since the playoffs where he got his name on the Cup. How many Vancouver Canucks have their name in a Cup?

Dude has an incredibly high ceiling.

NYI fans told us Toews was a good number 5, low end number 4. On your list above, he’s number 8 in the Norris discussion.

That’s great for a number 5 D guy. Toews is up there with a bunch of top pair guys.

Avs fans know what they have in Byram. The potential. And so do a lot of other fan bases that would fall all over themselves to acquire him.
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So it's just you
 
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Nico Hischier said:
The avs would say NO so fast. This is not close. And newhook is just a throw in? Byram is great when he’s healthy. It looks like the concussions are in the past hopefully. Avs would probably trade girard for cap savings
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I think it makes more sense to trade Toews in the off-season. He's got one more season at $4.1m before he's going to get crazy offers in UFA, and is one of the ~10 best LHD in the NHL. If he can return a decent young 2C + picks/prospects, I think that's better asset management than keeping him another year before he walks in UFA.
 
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The idea is that we are “retooling” and whether that is the correct decision or not remains to be seen. However, management traded for Hronek, there’s no point in half adding the retooling. If you don’t get one of the surefire top 5 guys, trade the pick for a future top pairing defenseman.

If the 6/7th overall isn’t enough, I’d throw in another unprotected first rounder for Byram + Newhook.

Trade Boeser, Garland, Myers ++ for whatever you can get, perhaps retain on Boeser a bit, buyout OEL, and go after a top 4 24-27 y/o defenseman and a 3C.

Nothing irks me more than trading a 1st for Hronek and not doubling down on the same philosophy.

Contrary to what Avs fans might feel, a 6th/7th overall, a 2024 unprotected 1st, a solid young player in Hoglander would be foolish to not accept for Byram and Newhook considering Byram’s concussion history which we take a gamble on, and a 2C/3C versatile 21 year old with upside in Newhook.
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It's a 6th/7th pick in a draft where there's a clear top 4. And michkov while an amazing player, probably doesn't come over for another 2-3 years.

There's maybe 3 prospects in that draft that would make a significant impact in the NHL as soon as 2023.
 

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Horrible for Colorado. Why trade a young up and coming top pairing defenseman for what might be a star player in 3-5 years? A 6-10th overall pick has a good chance of likely being just another Newhook anyway.
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Agree on byram. Newhook would be drafted around the end of the 1st round in this draft though. No where near 6th-10 for a 2nd line winger.

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Counter offer. Podkozin for Avs 2023 first.
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Terrible.
 
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LemonSauceD said:
Avs fans severely overrate Byram like he’s the 2nd best defenseman in the league.

He’s a top 4 defenseman, with potential to be top 2. That’s the gamble the Canucks take. Byram is NOT as good as you think he is defensively. He’s a great puck mover and distributor and he’s versatile, but in no way shape or form is he this defensive all around stud like you guys are claiming him to be, and suggesting Hughes would be a downgrade shows how much you lack knowledge of the game (not specifically you, but @GirardSpinorama
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GirardSpinorama said:
Hughes is a downgrade defensively and he also wouldn't be getting the prime offensive opportunities. Byram will likely be paired with Makar once toews gets a huge contract. Hughes would have to be insulated by a Manson on the 2nd pairing. No need for Hughes and the 8MM that could be much better spent elsewhere.



There's no magic number for how many concussion a player can have in their career. All we know is Byram's play currently doesn't indicate any effect from the concussion from a year ago.
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This. This isn't Avs fans thinking he's the 2nd best defenseman in the league but mostly what we were able to see from him so far. Last year cup final was probably the best I've seen him where the decision making was near perfect everytime he had the puck while also excelling in his own end. Of course his concussion history still worries us and hope it's behind him.

I just don't think it's a good move overall when you factor in salary and offensive opportunities Hughes would get. I will speak for myself saying as an Avs fan I mostly underrate the importance of Byram until Makar is out.
 
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McJedi said:
If your GM, whom I think is a buffoon, trades EP, you need to find a new team to root for.

You don’t trade high end 1Cs entering their prime. The very idea is outrageous.
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Selling Pettersson would be one heck of a kick-start for a proper re-build if anything. I seriously doubt that they would even think about it but as long as they got back a nice enough package it wouldn't be the end of the world even if there woulde be some seriously soured canucks fans.
 
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Canucks laugh and hang up.
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Lol, no. This is so heavily tilted for the Canucks it's not even semi-plausible. It's an atrocious proposal. He's by far the most valuable piece.

Byram is an NHL unicorn: A 21 year old top-pairing defenseman. His play in the playoffs last season was incredible. Why would he be traded?
 
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