Value of: Vancouver Vs Colorado Thread

[Peen]

If Colorado is willing to trade Byram, that would be a huge red flag to me about his long term health with the concussions.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Lol no

How faded were you when you came to the conclusion Bowen Byram, without a big add, would fetch Pettersson? 0 interest in Byram - the guy has played a total of 73 games in 3 seasons thus far - just insanity how some people are treating him like he's a superstar already. The best ability is availability - absolutely 0 interest in someone who just cannot stay healthy.

 

[Ncit3]

And by the time those team get out of the gutter he'll be near 30 and requesting a new contract, what's your point exactly?

Landeskog has value for a team between 9-15 to help for a playoff push. He holds next to no value to a team like the Habs, the Yotse, the Hawks etc who are just starting their rebuild.

With the management in Vancouver you sure they aren't just the actual gutter at this point?

 

[Raistlin]

Because he might be one more concussion away from his career being over?

I dont understand why anyone would trade away important assets for a guy like Byram, I know having a kid from Cranbrook playing in BC is a great story, but Canuck fans need to drop it. Only in a situation with no recourse would you acquire him for good assets, he doesn't just have concussions, but multiple serious ones that he himself is concerned with, enough for the Avs to not disclose reasons for his absence anymore. Didnt they learn their lesson from Salo? From Ferland? Who cares if a player is great on the ice when they cannot be relied upon to be on the ice when you need them?? Go to the Avs board and see how often their whole board bemoans all their injuries. This is an asset to sign at free agency, when there is no risk, Colorado is stuck with him until he plays a full 82 games in a row.

Its ridiculous, borderline insane, to trade your top 10 pick in '23 for such a fragile asset.

 

[JLo217]

Lol, no. This is so heavily tilted for the Canucks it's not even semi-plausible. It's an atrocious proposal. He's by far the most valuable piece.

Byram is an NHL unicorn: A 21 year old top-pairing defenseman. His play in the playoffs last season was incredible. Why would he be traded?

Some, just don't get this.

I get the injury arguments. That said if you don't watch him play and the adjustments he's made to his game from when he came into the league and did sustain injuries, what's the point of making an offer? Adding Newhook to that offer is an insult.

For the player he is its okay value, for the player he might become, and the value he adds to the Avalanche the offer for Byram alone doesn't get you there.

 

[docbenton]

I wouldn’t trade Byram for Hughes. I’d gladly trade Byram for EP.

EP has more value than Hughes.

This OP is beyond stupid though. Would cost Vancouver at least their 2024 and 2025 unprotected 1sts on top of the offer above to make the value proposition equal.

You made the point this makes no sense for either team. That’s not true. It’s a grand slam for Vancouver. Thankfully the Avs aren’t morons.

Hughes will be a first ballot hall-of-famer and a defining player of his generation, breaking numerous records along the way. Not sure about Pettersson. Byram will never touch Quinn current performance or value his entire career, not even close. And probably no one will remember who he is in 20 years. Opinions like this are nothing short of complete foolishness.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Hughes will be a first ballot hall-of-famer and a defining player of his generation, breaking numerous records along the way. Not sure about Pettersson. Byram will never touch Quinn current performance or value his entire career, not even close. And probably no one will remember who he is in 20 years. Opinions like this are nothing short of complete foolishness.

Ringless Hughes will not be in the hall of fame.

 

[Hierso]

Hughes will be a first ballot hall-of-famer and a defining player of his generation, breaking numerous records along the way. Not sure about Pettersson. Byram will never touch Quinn current performance or value his entire career, not even close. And probably no one will remember who he is in 20 years. Opinions like this are nothing short of complete foolishness.

Can't speak on behalf of the Vancouver fanbase but as a flyers fan i'd take Pettersson 10 out 10 times and i don't even have to think twice about it.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Sam Girard and Alex Newhook for Canucks 1st overall and OEL.

Avs do the Canucks a favour by taking OELs horrible contract.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Sam Girard and Alex Newhook for Canucks 1st overall and OEL.

Avs do the Canucks a favour by taking OELs horrible contract.

Sure if that's the first overall pick or even top 3. If not, no thanks. OEL sucks and the other prospects are not gonna help the Avs in the immediate future. They might even bust.

 

[Spilot23]

Sam Girard and Alex Newhook for Canucks 1st overall and OEL.

Avs do the Canucks a favour by taking OELs horrible contract.

Nucks having Girard and Hughes in the playoffs in the top 4 would be something I would like to see

 

[Vancouver_2010]

If the Canucks draft where they are today at roughly 6/7th overall, would Colorado accept the following:

2023 6/7th overall, Hoglander, and perhaps a 2025 2nd for Byram + Newhook?

Canucks would be taking the risk of having Byram with multiple concussions in his career but if he manages to stay healthy it would be worth the while. Avs get a young forward with high potential and another unprotected 1st in 2025.

No thanks from vancouver, but based on the intelligence of our GM, he will most likely said yes

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

How faded were you when you came to the conclusion Bowen Byram, without a big add, would fetch Pettersson? 0 interest in Byram - the guy has played a total of 73 games in 3 seasons thus far - just insanity how some people are treating him like he's a superstar already. The best ability is availability - absolutely 0 interest in someone who just cannot stay healthy.

How faded were you when you came to the conclusion that the Avs would realistically trade Byram for anything less? 0 interest in a package of futures, or whatever other random spare parts you want to get rid of in exchange for a potential elite 1D. You want Byram, the only acceptable offer is Pettersson, or the answer is a hard no.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Sure if that's the first overall pick or even top 3. If not, no thanks. OEL sucks and the other prospects are not gonna help the Avs in the immediate future. They might even bust.

I could see OEL getting a career revival playing in Colorado because he will have a much better partner and will be playing bottom pairing. Even if it's top 5, Avs should do it.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Nucks having Girard and Hughes in the playoffs in the top 4 would be something I would like to see

Girard would do well in Vancouver. He would be logging more minutes and maybe even top pair. He would also take some pressure off of Hughes for offensive production.

 

[Mersss]

Rants is 26. So by your pathetic math, Suzuki is nearing retirement age too.

Do you ever post anything of value?

Suzuki is 22.

By the time Havs get out of the gutter (2024 and 2025) Rant will be 29 with 1-2year left on his deal, seeking another 8+ year contract at 9M+ / year. It doesn't make any sense.

So not only will he be closing on 30, but je also brings the Habs more toward drafting 10-15 OA and not top5 like we will next year and the year after.

Rantanen would make sense in a team like the Sens, a bubble team in need of physicality and leadership.

I wouldn't trade our chance at Fantili-Bedard-Michkov-Carlson for Landeskog. Not that he isn't worth it, he's just not the right fit.

Habs should look into those kind of players after we sign Dubois in 2025.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Girard would do well in Vancouver. He would be logging more minutes and maybe even top pair. He would also take some pressure off of Hughes for offensive production.

they already added hronek. too much of the same if the canucks added girard.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Suzuki is 22.

By the time Havs get out of the gutter (2024 and 2025) Rant will be 29 with 1-2year left on his deal, seeking another 8+ year contract at 9M+ / year. It doesn't make any sense.

So not only will he be closing on 30, but je also brings the Habs more toward drafting 10-15 OA and not top5 like we will next year and the year after.

Rantanen would make sense in a team like the Sens, a bubble team in need of physicality and leadership.

I wouldn't trade our chance at Fantili-Bedard-Michkov-Carlson for Landeskog. Not that he isn't worth it, he's just not the right fit.

Habs should look into those kind of players after we sign Dubois in 2025.

habs are going to need more than a year or two to get out of the gutter.

rants is going to make like $11-12m on his next contract

i agree tho. habs shouldnt target anyone over suzukis age but hughes seems more interested in a retool rather than a rebuild

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Suzuki is 22.

By the time Havs get out of the gutter (2024 and 2025) Rant will be 29 with 1-2year left on his deal, seeking another 8+ year contract at 9M+ / year. It doesn't make any sense.

So not only will he be closing on 30, but je also brings the Habs more toward drafting 10-15 OA and not top5 like we will next year and the year after.

Rantanen would make sense in a team like the Sens, a bubble team in need of physicality and leadership.

I wouldn't trade our chance at Fantili-Bedard-Michkov-Carlson for Landeskog. Not that he isn't worth it, he's just not the right fit.

Habs should look into those kind of players after we sign Dubois in 2025.

We're taking about a 2015 draft pick and a 2017 draft pick lol, they're not somehow 4 years apart.

 

[Three On Zero]

If the Canucks draft where they are today at roughly 6/7th overall, would Colorado accept the following:

2023 6/7th overall, Hoglander, and perhaps a 2025 2nd for Byram + Newhook?

Canucks would be taking the risk of having Byram with multiple concussions in his career but if he manages to stay healthy it would be worth the while. Avs get a young forward with high potential and another unprotected 1st in 2025.

Byram is redundant to a team that has both Hughes and Hronek

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I could see OEL getting a career revival playing in Colorado because he will have a much better partner and will be playing bottom pairing. Even if it's top 5, Avs should do it.

I'm just not excited about the prospects outside of the big 4.

 

[Three On Zero]

I wouldn’t trade Byram for QH but it’s not a ridiculous proposal like others here are saying.

That's ok, Vancouver wouldn't trade the better play for a magic bean in Byram. The kid is good but doubtful he ever reaches Hughes current level of play

 

[BoHorvat 53]

How faded were you when you came to the conclusion that the Avs would realistically trade Byram for anything less? 0 interest in a package of futures, or whatever other random spare parts you want to get rid of in exchange for a potential elite 1D. You want Byram, the only acceptable offer is Pettersson, or the answer is a hard no.

Not faded at all - the guy has played 73 games in 3 seasons lol he could have potential to be the greatest of all time if he's not on the ice it just doesn't matter - unfortunately he just isn't on the ice enough to NEARLY justify the asking price of some Avs fans. Like I said, absolutely 0 interest.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Byram is redundant to a team that has both Hughes and Hronek

byram plays a different style then those two. you might be thinking of girard.

 

[Three On Zero]

byram plays a different style then those two. you might be thinking of girard.

You might be right, I was thinking he was a more offensively gifted defenceman