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Eh, we have interviews of dozens of Wrestlers and managers and other than the Kliq, people who worked with Bret pretty unanimously liked him more. He definitely had a huge ego. Other than Hunter, Kid, Hall and Nash, Shawn Michaels was pretty universally despised during his drug addiction days. Undertaker hated HBK's guts but had a lot of respect for Bret. Same with the Rock, although the Rock was less outspoken about it compared to the deadman. Foley walked out after the screwjob but was talked into coming back.

Did Bret have issues with some of the decision makers? Sure. But its been established through Podcasts and interviews that he was pretty universally liked in the dressing room outside of Shawn and his Kliq, who went around shitting on everyone outside their Kliq.
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I'd even say that waltman liked bret even though he was part of the kliq.

He talks glowingly about how bret elevated 1-2-3 kid back in the mid 90s.

I never heard of bret refusing to put guys over other than Shawn, and he had a way of elevating guys even if they don't get the pin fall on bret.

He stood up for the guys who were bullied by the kliq at the time. The rock, or rocky maivia at the time will tell you all about that.
 
JianYang said:
I'd even say that waltman liked bret even though he was part of the kliq.

He talks glowingly about how bret elevated 1-2-3 kid back in the mid 90s.

I never heard of bret refusing to put guys over other than Shawn, and he had a way of elevating guys even if they don't get the pin fall on bret.

He stood up for the guys who were bullied by the kliq at the time. The rock, or rocky maivia at the time will tell you all about that.
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Bullied by the Kliq? Rock shows up at Survivor Series 1996 and by that time Nash, Hall and Waltman are gone to WCW. I'm confused on how the Kliq bullied Dwayne when they weren't even there. Tatanka tried to bury the Kliq a few weeks ago in an interview saying they helped get the finished changed to his WM 9 match with HBK. Meanwhile the only Kliq member even in WWF at the time other than Shawn was Scott Hall.

The Kliq was a name and concept contrived by other WWF wrestlers who just didn't like that most of the guys near the top of the card from say 1994 through 1996 were good friends who rode together and tried to influence the WWF product and had Vince's ear. And thanks to the curtain call "The Kliq" took on a life of it's own.
 
BruinDust said:
Bullied by the Kliq? Rock shows up at Survivor Series 1996 and by that time Nash, Hall and Waltman are gone to WCW. I'm confused on how the Kliq bullied Dwayne when they weren't even there. Tatanka tried to bury the Kliq a few weeks ago in an interview saying they helped get the finished changed to his WM 9 match with HBK. Meanwhile the only Kliq member even in WWF at the time other than Shawn was Scott Hall.

The Kliq was a name and concept contrived by other WWF wrestlers who just didn't like that most of the guys near the top of the card from say 1994 through 1996 were good friends who rode together and tried to influence the WWF product and had Vince's ear. And thanks to the curtain call "The Kliq" took on a life of it's own.
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Hunter and Shawn were still there at this time, to be more specific. Maybe I shouldn't say "kliq", but it's generally a term I use that encompasses the names you mentioned plus hunter.
 
JianYang said:
Hunter and Shawn were still there at this time, to be more specific. Maybe I shouldn't say "kliq", but it's generally a term I use that encompasses the names you mentioned plus hunter.
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Really it was Shawn who was a pill-head and pain in the ass back in that time period of late 1996 early 1997. Triple H didn't have any clout back then. In the 1997 Rumble Rocky actually has a strong showing and is in the mix at the end with a pile of main event guys like Taker, Vader, Foley, Austin, Bret etc. Triple H got eliminated very early in that Rumble. I believe there is a rumor that later on after HBKs return in 2002 that they wanted to do Rock vs. HBK and by then the Rock was the bigger star and didn't want to do it basically due to his treatment by Shawn back in 1996-97.
 
BruinDust said:
Really it was Shawn who was a pill-head and pain in the ass back in that time period of late 1996 early 1997. Triple H didn't have any clout back then. In the 1997 Rumble Rocky actually has a strong showing and is in the mix at the end with a pile of main event guys like Taker, Vader, Foley, Austin, Bret etc. Triple H got eliminated very early in that Rumble. I believe there is a rumor that later on after HBKs return in 2002 that they wanted to do Rock vs. HBK and by then the Rock was the bigger star and didn't want to do it basically due to his treatment by Shawn back in 1996-97.
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From my understanding, it's why Rock to this day loves Bret, because Bret was helping him while Shawn was trying to destroy him.

And you're right, we never got Rock vs HBK. That otherwise would have happened between 2002-2004 or so. We did get Rock vs. Bret but it was just a throwaway match on Raw before Rock was a star.
 
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I was never really a big Bret guy growing up, but there's absolutely no denying how much he cared for the business and how much he helped people.
 
BruinDust said:
MJF is nowhere near as great as he or the Internet Wrestling Community make him out to be.

I like MJF, I actually think he's really good and find him entertaining, but he's also severely overrated. Yelling and screaming and swearing in your promos doesn't mean it's good. He's a good worker in the ring, but I've seen plenty who are better.

Yet him and his fans act like he's the only guy who can save professional wrestling and every promotion is just gonna back up the truck when his contract is up in 2024.
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I think he's great at the things he does, his elite skill is getting people worked into a shoot and making people think they're the ones on the inside, meanwhile whenever he's had to put someone over, he did whatever he could to be in business for himself. And that can be ok, but acknowledge it for what it is. Otherwise, almost everything he's done is the same stuff over and over again. Cheap heat, making people run the gauntlet, hiding upstairs, etc. This stuff with the firm might be new though, or it's just a longer version of the fake face turn that he's done a number of times already. Like I said, great at all the stuff, but I don't know otherwise. He just doesn't fool me.
 
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I was never a fan of big name guys going to Impact. I never really watched Impact and wasnt really watching wrestling back then but id say I was a WWE guy then.

Im talking bout Foley and Angle. Guys like them.
 
Troublesome 85 said:
I was never a fan of big name guys going to Impact. I never really watched Impact and wasnt really watching wrestling back then but id say I was a WWE guy then.

Im talking bout Foley and Angle. Guys like them.
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No one was tbh, Angle did do some of his best ring work in TNA tho.
 
I still think Roman Reigns sucks. That said, he is fantastic in any scene Sami Zayn is in. I am not saying that Sami Zayn is above Roman Reigns on any kind of list, but he really does make everyone around him better.
 
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I really don’t think he is anymore over than he was prior to the Omega feud.
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i can’t agree whatsoever

hangman got mainstream huge during the chase and then was derailed by booking

it’s how it is though- faces get huge during builds yet regularly fail during champ runs
 
ManBearPig Matthews said:
i can’t agree whatsoever

hangman got mainstream huge during the chase and then was derailed by booking

it’s how it is though- faces get huge during builds yet regularly fail during champ runs
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Don’t really agree at all. Page came in to the AEW with a huge push from ROH and big storyline from NJPW. Beating Omega was just a nice way to end the long time storytelling, but it didn’t really put Page over anymore than he already was. That’s why he kinda got pushed aside from the main event scene as a champion once AEW signed wrestlers who were more over like Punk and Bryan etc.
 
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hangman?
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Lol, Hangman isn't over at all.

The whole company from day one was trying to make Hangman and his run was meh. Ironically the most interesting did is why Punk isn't there.

Punk is over. Hangman is an 'internet darling' for the faux blue checks of wrestling journalism. That's the difference.
 
Hangman was very over during the chase. The title switch and the subsequent reign was botched though.

I would not blame Omega for that. The goal was clearly to put Hangman over huge and that's why Omega tried to do.
 
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Adam Page is solid enough, but he never deserved the push he received. He got it due to who his friends are. I've been somewhat disappointed that he hasn't improved all that much but again, he is solid. That's more of a middling opinion than an unpopular one though.

I think that Bryan Danielson has been the best wrestler in the world for a very long time, but his lack of drive to be on top is a big negative.
 
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