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MetalheadPenguinsFan said:
Once that he switched to the American Badass biker nonsense I lost interest.
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The gimmick was good but it just never made sense why the Undertaker took that on, so I didn't like it. But 99% of the Undertaker's best matches happened after 1999. Even during the American Bad Ass years, he had some great matches (vs. HHH at WM17, vs. Jeff Hardy Raw Ladder match in 2002, vs. Lesnar HIAC 2002) and then had so many classics once he went back to the deadman character and I guess they were more picky about his opponents. How many great matches did he have before 1999 that weren't against Bret or HBK? I can think of Diesel at WM12 and Vader at Canadian Stampede 1997 but that's it off the top of my head.
 
Megahab said:
The gimmick was good but it just never made sense why the Undertaker took that on, so I didn't like it. But 99% of the Undertaker's best matches happened after 1999. Even during the American Bad Ass years, he had some great matches (vs. HHH at WM17, vs. Jeff Hardy Raw Ladder match in 2002, vs. Lesnar HIAC 2002) and then had so many classics once he went back to the deadman character and I guess they were more picky about his opponents. How many great matches did he have before 1999 that weren't against Bret or HBK? I can think of Diesel at WM12 and Vader at Canadian Stampede 1997 but that's it off the top of my head.
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I think it's his best period in ring in terms of actually leading the match or being an equal participant in the match. You noted his 90s stuff mainly being opposite Hart or Michaels, and even the Wrestlemania matches that came later against Michaels were great, but those were Michaels matches where he just had to not mess up. I have to give him tons of credit for carrying Batista to solid matches as the deadman though, since Batista always was awful.
 
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JackSlater said:
I think it's his best period in ring in terms of actually leading the match or being an equal participant in the match. You noted his 90s stuff mainly being opposite Hart or Michaels, and even the Wrestlemania matches that came later against Michaels were great, but those were Michaels matches where he just had to not mess up. I have to give him tons of credit for carrying Batista to solid matches as the deadman though, since Batista always was awful.
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Oh yes Batista vs Taker at wm23 is so underrated
 
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If the American Badass gimmick served only one purpose, it was to let Mark Caloway play a different character for a while, because he was probably sick of being the deadman. These people are doing performing arts, you have to let them do something else.
 
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I’m watching smackdown from that era and they’ve got him and Nathan Jones feuding with Big Show and A-Train

Vince must’ve been rock hard with all that size in the ring
 
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TheTotalPackage said:
Papa Shango was a top 5 character in WWE history.
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I wouldn't agree and put him that high, but I will say Shango is underrated for sure. I personally loved the gimmick. When you're in a cartoon show like the 80s and early 90s WWF, may as well lean into it unless you're someone who can realistically be a top guy.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
This is true, but as a kid during that time he was pretty scary. I didn't know what voodoo was before Papa Shango, and it scared the hell out of he for far longer than it should have. The curses he put on jobbers at the start of his run were memorable.
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He made the ultimate warrior puke!
 
Not sure how unpopular this is but two of the most underrated tag teams of all time are The Basham Brothers and The Colons (Primo and Epico).
 
Unpopular opinion - I am not seeing too many great things from the new HHH regime. The last two weeks have been pretty boring and yesterdays NXT stuff was god awful.
 
OG6ix said:
Unpopular opinion - I am not seeing too many great things from the new HHH regime. The last two weeks have been pretty boring and yesterdays NXT stuff was god awful.
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Isn't NXT creative under HBK? I know it still falls under HHH if it does, but I would hope he isn't micromanaging as closely as Vince did.

We won't feel the full effects of the regime change for a while in creative. After the surprise returns and whatnot, we'll have to actually wait to see how storylines develop and whatnot.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
Isn't NXT creative under HBK? I know it still falls under HHH if it does, but I would hope he isn't micromanaging as closely as Vince did.

We won't feel the full effects of the regime change for a while in creative. After the surprise returns and whatnot, we'll have to actually wait to see how storylines develop and whatnot.
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I guess HBK is behind the NXT creative - even the main roster stuff is underwhelming. I was hoping HHH would not bring NXT to the main roster because I found the product highly predictive and the wrestlers he promoted there, for the most part, were boring. I guess it's his style though.
 
OG6ix said:
Unpopular opinion - I am not seeing too many great things from the new HHH regime. The last two weeks have been pretty boring and yesterdays NXT stuff was god awful.
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I agree, Raw has improved but it's still very far from being great or even good. NXT hasn't improved at all...it's awful. The little bit I've seen of Smackdown was no improvement but I haven't seen much of it.

Now I expected that it wouldn't happen overnight and it hasn't despite what some people around here lead you to believe. Of course those are the same guys who were loving WWE when Vince was still running it so they're obviously going to like it no matter WWE does. I do think they'll improve eventually though.
 
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OG6ix said:
I guess HBK is behind the NXT creative - even the main roster stuff is underwhelming. I was hoping HHH would not bring NXT to the main roster because I found the product highly predictive and the wrestlers he promoted there, for the most part, were boring. I guess it's his style though.
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I still think its too early to really tell. I mean, WWE style is still WWE style, even if HHH is running it instead of Vince, so its still going to be story heavy, promo heavy, "sketch" heavy. I agree parts are boring though. I'm waiting for something good to come out of Judgement Day, for example.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
I still think its too early to really tell. I mean, WWE style is still WWE style, even if HHH is running it instead of Vince, so its still going to be story heavy, promo heavy, "sketch" heavy. I agree parts are boring though. I'm waiting for something good to come out of Judgement Day, for example.
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You don’t go bonkers for Dominik and his leotard?
 
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ManofSteel55 said:
I still think its too early to really tell. I mean, WWE style is still WWE style, even if HHH is running it instead of Vince, so its still going to be story heavy, promo heavy, "sketch" heavy. I agree parts are boring though. I'm waiting for something good to come out of Judgement Day, for example.
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I don't mind story heavy as long as the stories are good. Honestly, when I heard HHH will be taking over I was not too thrilled as you mentioned WWE has a style and I don't think he would pivot from it being a company guy.

I was hoping Nick Khan/the board would look to guys like Heyman for creative or find someone else.
DaaaaB's said:
I agree, Raw has improved but it's still very far from being great or even good. NXT hasn't improved at all...it's awful. The little bit I've seen of Smackdown was no improvement but I haven't seen much of it.

Now I expected that it wouldn't happen overnight and it hasn't despite what some people around here lead you to believe. Of course those are the same guys who were loving WWE when Vince was still running it so they're obviously going to like it no matter WWE does. I do think they'll improve eventually though.
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Agreed it's not very watchable. Also, HBK wearing his cowboy attire for the NXT commissioner is horrible aesthetically. Looks like a 70s southern used car salesman.
 
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