Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[Hunter368]

Wow just get a new girlfriend Jacob. Girls are pretty much everywhere these days.

She must offer Trouba something pretty special, I guess she's a keeper.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

BTW, I know it's early but in case anyone thinks JT Miller is not a good piece he's currently leading the top scoring team in the NHL with 9 points in 9 games. I think only Kreider has a better PPG. And those 9 points in 9 games don't tell the story the guy creates a ton of great chances. He's already a very solid 2nd liner.

 

[PG Canuck]

If they refuse to trade him to a U.S. team and it effects their relationship and her ability to get into med school I would say Jets are being unreasonable by not trading him when he has made it known he wants to be traded.

Who cares about his girlfriend? The Winnipeg Jets sure as hell don't. I sure as hell don't. Jets fans sure as hell don't. The NHL is a business, not a business to grant wishes and demands for girlfriends that can't get into med school by themselves.

The Jets are doing nothing wrong and I hope they don't fold their stance on something as petty as this.

The Jets would care about this situation a little more had Trouba not sulked his way into this mess. The Jets would move a player, like for example, Perreault, if he wanted to be moved for family reasons because he hasn't sulked for a whole summer and into the season.

 

[Thai jet*]

No

That's why I said American Medical schools accept international students. They just have to show ability to pay and a willingness to stay and complete. I wasn't talking about Canadian schools, he's on the road anyways, I doubt her transferring to a college in the US would be reason for him to demand a trade. Also the US recognizes Canadians different than other international students. I'm guessing Canada is the same way.

Living in Buffalo I have worked and been friends with a few people with dual citizenship, both ways. I've been told the process is much easier for a Canada/US citizenship then probably any other two countries. I've never been through the process but my girlfriend was born to a Canadian mother and American father and from what I've heard, with admittedly no research, if she wanted to claim her Canadian citizenship all it would take is enough money in the bank to show no financial burden on Canada, or a purchase of property north of the border.

If Trouba was willing to uproot his entire life for his girlfriend to have an easier time attending medical school would he just get married at that point and allow her to claim his US citizenship and/or Canadian residency?

I have a relative with 4 yrs of near perfect university marks that can't get into med school here in MB. He has moved to Alberta to live for a year to then try there. Getting a job under NAFT is not the same as getting into university.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

If they refuse to trade him to a U.S. team and it effects their relationship and her ability to get into med school I would say Jets are being unreasonable by not trading him when he has made it known he wants to be traded.



Well I don't know what exactly the offers have been. Do you think it is at all possible Jets are being unreasonable?

This is ridiculous. He's an RFA with NO bargaining rights. He signed the ELC and therefore must live by the terms and conditions of it. If Winnipeg had so many koodies and was such a bad place for him to play he shouldn't have signed with us. He could have stayed in College for 4 years and gone back into the draft. But he didn't. He signed the ELC and we own his rights for 4 more years.

Until our management gets what they need in a trade there is no reason they should trade him. The wishes and wants of his girlfriend has no bearing on the people in this city that support this team, the NHL and make it possible for Trouba to make the money he does (will).

If Jacob really wants a trade to happen then he should sign a market value contract with the Jets. Once his price is established his value to many teams goes up. No one wants to deal with his agent so remove that from the equation.

Taking a player's side who has been very shady in his reasoning and marketing doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Should every player who requests a trade be immediately granted no matter how bad it is for the team that drafted him?

Bizarre reasoning.

 

[Ola]

You seem to think you know what we need better than us - ok whatever. I can make up a bunch of crap about what the Rangers need as well & cook up a deal that works for us and "makes you guys better".

Told you before, if you don't think D is by far our greatest need, then you really don't know squat about the Jets. So swing all the deals you like with forwards as the predominant return, and we'll just keep saying no.

Oh, and maybe you've heard of a few of these "B & C" forward prospects -- Connor, Dano, Petan. I know you'll claim they are B prospects at best, but if you did a little research you might find out otherwise.

I think this is how you spell clued out Told by everyone that by far our greatest need is D & still trying to tell us that he knows otherwise.

Oh. You're doing this silly thing again

Such poor NHL analysis. I'd stick with the SHL if I were you.

Haha, guys relax. Please. Instead of reverting to personal attacks every time: This is a discussion board, I come here to discuss, not trying to "win" something or convince you of anything. When you become this aggressive its obvious that you are afraid of something, but you shouldn't be. We are merely talking. My "Trump" reference ("People tell me") was 200% ironic, I didn't mean to freak you out lol. And you can cut the "No, not accepted"-part, I am sure most of you know -- I hope -- but you are actually not the GM of Winnipeg Jets. You cannot accept anything.

But, just to be clear, I have never said anything on the topic of "our greatest need is".

What I am saying is that -- since you have many holes -- there is no reason to limit yourself to only try to fill one, even if it is the biggest one. Sure, trade Trouba 1 on 1 for a potential franchise No 1 LD if you can. But that deal don't seem to be on the table. If someone propose a trade where Winnipeg gets a forward that would be one of its best forwards, you guys are going "no there is no room for improvement up front". That is just not in touch with reality.

Of course they have a lot of holes. Most teams do, and the Jets are still likely a below average team. The thing is that they have drafted very well and most of those holes will / should be filled internally (especially between the pipes with Helly and Comrie). Their defense prospects however are pretty scary.

Sorry man, but no they actually will not. I think I can say that with absolute certainty. I've followed this league closely for longer than most of you have been alive. I would like to state that what you claim will happen -- have not happened once in this league the last 30 years. Not once, and not even remotely.

It just don't happen that a team draft fairly well, have a good player drop in their lap, and then they lean back and become contenders. And to be honest, your farm outside the kids already in the NHL isn't even that great. Like sorry again, but it just really isn't.

You totally confuse two things. Yes, things have gone extremely well for Winnipeg lately. No doubt. Management has done a great job. But -- this does not even remotely mean that things will be easy. Going well for a team stuck in the bottom in the NHL for over a decade has nothing to do with things becoming easy down the road. Its just extremely tough in this league to move from being outside looking in to becoming a steady teams around say top 8-12 in the league.

Winnipeg can win a cup in say 4-10 years. You want to bet that you at that point won't come back and say "I told you so, we had what it took in 2016?". Tampa is a contender now. Rewind the tape 6-8 years, was it possible for them the just lean back and arrive where they are today? Of course not, not even remotely. It has never happened and it will probably never happened.

 

[Evil Little]

Haha, guys relax. Please. Instead of reverting to personal attacks every time: This is a discussion board, I come here to discuss, not trying to "win" something or convince you of anything. When you become this aggressive its obvious that you are afraid of something, but you shouldn't be. We are merely talking. My "Trump" reference ("People tell me") was 200% ironic, I didn't mean to freak you out lol. And you can cut the "No, not accepted"-part, I am sure most of you know -- I hope -- but you are actually not the GM of Winnipeg Jets. You cannot accept anything.

But, just to be clear, I have never said anything on the topic of "our greatest need is".

What I am saying is that -- since you have many holes -- there is no reason to limit yourself to only try to fill one, even if it is the biggest one. Sure, trade Trouba 1 on 1 for a potential franchise No 1 LD if you can. But that deal don't seem to be on the table. If someone propose a trade where Winnipeg gets a forward that would be one of its best forwards, you guys are going "no there is no room for improvement up front". That is just not in touch with reality.



Sorry man, but no they actually will not. I think I can say that with absolute certainty. I've followed this league closely for longer than most of you have been alive. I would like to state that what you claim will happen -- have not happened once in this league the last 30 years. Not once, and not even remotely.

It just don't happen that a team draft fairly well, have a good player drop in their lap, and then they lean back and become contenders. And to be honest, your farm outside the kids already in the NHL isn't even that great. Like sorry again, but it just really isn't.

You totally confuse two things. Yes, things have gone extremely well for Winnipeg lately. No doubt. Management has done a great job. But -- this does not even remotely mean that things will be easy. Going well for a team stuck in the bottom in the NHL for over a decade has nothing to do with things becoming easy down the road. Its just extremely tough in this league to move from being outside looking in to becoming a steady teams around say top 8-12 in the league.

Winnipeg can win a cup in say 4-10 years. You want to bet that you at that point won't come back and say "I told you so, we had what it took in 2016?". Tampa is a contender now. Rewind the tape 6-8 years, was it possible for them the just lean back and arrive where they are today? Of course not, not even remotely. It has never happened and it will probably never happened.

I didn't read all this nonsense, but I truly don't get what you're trying to accomplish.

Everyone is telling you your proposals are ****ing trash and you just keep going.

 

[Paradise*]

Haha, guys relax. Please. Instead of reverting to personal attacks every time: This is a discussion board, I come here to discuss, not trying to "win" something or convince you of anything. When you become this aggressive its obvious that you are afraid of something, but you shouldn't be. We are merely talking. My "Trump" reference ("People tell me") was 200% ironic, I didn't mean to freak you out lol. And you can cut the "No, not accepted"-part, I am sure most of you know -- I hope -- but you are actually not the GM of Winnipeg Jets. You cannot accept anything.

But, just to be clear, I have never said anything on the topic of "our greatest need is".

What I am saying is that -- since you have many holes -- there is no reason to limit yourself to only try to fill one, even if it is the biggest one. Sure, trade Trouba 1 on 1 for a potential franchise No 1 LD if you can. But that deal don't seem to be on the table. If someone propose a trade where Winnipeg gets a forward that would be one of its best forwards, you guys are going "no there is no room for improvement up front". That is just not in touch with reality.



Sorry man, but no they actually will not. I think I can say that with absolute certainty. I've followed this league closely for longer than most of you have been alive. I would like to state that what you claim will happen -- have not happened once in this league the last 30 years. Not once, and not even remotely.

It just don't happen that a team draft fairly well, have a good player drop in their lap, and then they lean back and become contenders. And to be honest, your farm outside the kids already in the NHL isn't even that great. Like sorry again, but it just really isn't.

You totally confuse two things. Yes, things have gone extremely well for Winnipeg lately. No doubt. Management has done a great job. But -- this does not even remotely mean that things will be easy. Going well for a team stuck in the bottom in the NHL for over a decade has nothing to do with things becoming easy down the road. Its just extremely tough in this league to move from being outside looking in to becoming a steady teams around say top 8-12 in the league.

Winnipeg can win a cup in say 4-10 years. You want to bet that you at that point won't come back and say "I told you so, we had what it took in 2016?". Tampa is a contender now. Rewind the tape 6-8 years, was it possible for them the just lean back and arrive where they are today? Of course not, not even remotely. It has never happened and it will probably never happened.

Hopefully you captured everything you needed to in this post.

That should just about cover it

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

First of all, players are traded all the time after passing waivers, is this news to you guys? McIlrath needs to play and play a lot, when he went on the waivers any team that picked him only could have played him in the NHL. He is of course a lot more valuable now than before he passed waivers.

Second of all, YOU obviously don't listen to anyone. You have "no need for additional forwards"? is that a joke? Seriously?

How would you rank Winnipeg's depth chart up front?

Center -- 10-15? Schleife is great, but is he the next Toews or the next Backes if you get what I mean? Little and Perrault are ok, but good enough to be 2/3 on a contender? Maybe, but OTOH definitely optimal from a contenders POV.

Right wing -- 20-25? Wheelers can make great plays, but not exactly getting younger and he has never been great overall. After him the depth chart is down right weak.

Left wing -- Sure Laine - will -- become a franchise sniper. Ehlers will become a great 3rd lineer or decent 2nd lineer, at worst. Behind him there isn't much.

Farm -- After the guys already on the team, Winnipeg has a few B and C tier prospect, but not many guys that you can expect to make much of a difference.

How can you claim that no improvements can be made? All the while, big parts of your core are getting older and is on the down side of their careers or just about to enter that phase (Enström, Wheelers, Buff and Co).

Not saying my offer is great, but take my word for it, any claim that one of the worst franchises in the league -- that never in even has had an OK season, have ATL/WPG even won a PO game -- do NOT need additional players, that there is no room for improvement, or whatever, is just ridiculous. Like I don't have a high standard for what I expect from this place, but seriously, just cut that type of argument. It's just embarrassing.

Winnipeg has a ton of things going for them, but without any doubt the long part of the journey is in front of the organization not behind it. There is a TREMENDOUS room for improvement, at every single position.

I think its a bit early to call Ehlers a 3rd liner

 

[Jeti]

BTW, I know it's early but in case anyone thinks JT Miller is not a good piece he's currently leading the top scoring team in the NHL with 9 points in 9 games. I think only Kreider has a better PPG. And those 9 points in 9 games don't tell the story the guy creates a ton of great chances. He's already a very solid 2nd liner.

Aside from the fact that a solid 2nd liner is not a good main piece in return for a 22 year old top-pairing defenseman, the Jets really don't need forwards. No one is arguing with your assessment of Miller. It's not enough value and not at the right position to make sense.

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

First of all, players are traded all the time after passing waivers, is this news to you guys? McIlrath needs to play and play a lot, when he went on the waivers any team that picked him only could have played him in the NHL. He is of course a lot more valuable now than before he passed waivers.

Second of all, YOU obviously don't listen to anyone. You have "no need for additional forwards"? is that a joke? Seriously?

How would you rank Winnipeg's depth chart up front?

Center -- 10-15? Schleife is great, but is he the next Toews or the next Backes if you get what I mean? Little and Perrault are ok, but good enough to be 2/3 on a contender? Maybe, but OTOH definitely optimal from a contenders POV.

Right wing -- 20-25? Wheelers can make great plays, but not exactly getting younger and he has never been great overall. After him the depth chart is down right weak.

Left wing -- Sure Laine - will -- become a franchise sniper. Ehlers will become a great 3rd lineer or decent 2nd lineer, at worst. Behind him there isn't much.

Farm -- After the guys already on the team, Winnipeg has a few B and C tier prospect, but not many guys that you can expect to make much of a difference.

How can you claim that no improvements can be made? All the while, big parts of your core are getting older and is on the down side of their careers or just about to enter that phase (Enström, Wheelers, Buff and Co).

Not saying my offer is great, but take my word for it, any claim that one of the worst franchises in the league -- that never in even has had an OK season, have ATL/WPG even won a PO game -- do NOT need additional players, that there is no room for improvement, or whatever, is just ridiculous. Like I don't have a high standard for what I expect from this place, but seriously, just cut that type of argument. It's just embarrassing.

Winnipeg has a ton of things going for them, but without any doubt the long part of the journey is in front of the organization not behind it. There is a TREMENDOUS room for improvement, at every single position.

I think its a bit early to call Ehlers a 3rd liner

 

[nmbr_24]

Who cares about his girlfriend? The Winnipeg Jets sure as hell don't. I sure as hell don't. Jets fans sure as hell don't. The NHL is a business, not a business to grant wishes and demands for girlfriends that can't get into med school by themselves.

The Jets are doing nothing wrong and I hope they don't fold their stance on something as petty as this.

The Jets would care about this situation a little more had Trouba not sulked his way into this mess. The Jets would move a player, like for example, Perreault, if he wanted to be moved for family reasons because he hasn't sulked for a whole summer and into the season.

That's right, it's a business, so why should Trouba have any kind of loyalty to the Jets when his life is taking him somewhere else? It works both ways. Trouba is doing nothing wrong either, he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg so they should trade him, they will get a very good return. They might be asking for too much though, that deal they wanted from Boston is a lot.

 

[nmbr_24]

Haha, guys relax. Please. Instead of reverting to personal attacks every time: This is a discussion board, I come here to discuss, not trying to "win" something or convince you of anything. When you become this aggressive its obvious that you are afraid of something, but you shouldn't be. We are merely talking. My "Trump" reference ("People tell me") was 200% ironic, I didn't mean to freak you out lol. And you can cut the "No, not accepted"-part, I am sure most of you know -- I hope -- but you are actually not the GM of Winnipeg Jets. You cannot accept anything.

But, just to be clear, I have never said anything on the topic of "our greatest need is".

What I am saying is that -- since you have many holes -- there is no reason to limit yourself to only try to fill one, even if it is the biggest one. Sure, trade Trouba 1 on 1 for a potential franchise No 1 LD if you can. But that deal don't seem to be on the table. If someone propose a trade where Winnipeg gets a forward that would be one of its best forwards, you guys are going "no there is no room for improvement up front". That is just not in touch with reality.



Sorry man, but no they actually will not. I think I can say that with absolute certainty. I've followed this league closely for longer than most of you have been alive. I would like to state that what you claim will happen -- have not happened once in this league the last 30 years. Not once, and not even remotely.

It just don't happen that a team draft fairly well, have a good player drop in their lap, and then they lean back and become contenders. And to be honest, your farm outside the kids already in the NHL isn't even that great. Like sorry again, but it just really isn't.

You totally confuse two things. Yes, things have gone extremely well for Winnipeg lately. No doubt. Management has done a great job. But -- this does not even remotely mean that things will be easy. Going well for a team stuck in the bottom in the NHL for over a decade has nothing to do with things becoming easy down the road. Its just extremely tough in this league to move from being outside looking in to becoming a steady teams around say top 8-12 in the league.

Winnipeg can win a cup in say 4-10 years. You want to bet that you at that point won't come back and say "I told you so, we had what it took in 2016?". Tampa is a contender now. Rewind the tape 6-8 years, was it possible for them the just lean back and arrive where they are today? Of course not, not even remotely. It has never happened and it will probably never happened.

So you are claiming that a team that already has a bunch of talented and good players that has drafted well has never filled most of their holes with their own prospects? I am pretty sure that "most" doesn't mean every hole will be filled with a prospect.

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

That's right, it's a business, so why should Trouba have any kind of loyalty to the Jets when his life is taking him somewhere else? It works both ways. Trouba is doing nothing wrong either, he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg so they should trade him, they will get a very good return. They might be asking for too much though, that deal they wanted from Boston is a lot.

Thats pretty much how I feel..

Trade the kid, get a good return and lets get on with it.

We dont need Trouba here if he doesnt want to be here!
And ther is no need to be pissed about it, its his life and if he wants to go in another direction, let him. as long as he is not a dick about it.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Gardiner seems to be somewhat underrated but I agree.

Fowler
Gardiner




Nurse.


Imo

By all accounts Winnipeg doesn't want Fowler and Dreger pretty much said that it would take Rielly to get Trouba not Gardiner and there's no way Nurse who's a 5/6 D man comes any where close to nabbing Trouba it would've to be Klefbom or nothing from Edmonton.

 

[Gump Hasek]

That's right, it's a business, so why should Trouba have any kind of loyalty to the Jets when his life is taking him somewhere else? It works both ways. Trouba is doing nothing wrong either, he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg so they should trade him, they will get a very good return. They might be asking for too much though, that deal they wanted from Boston is a lot.

As an RFA with essentially no rights, he also has no right to demand a trade though while the team owns his NHL rights for four additional seasons. He is free to seek employment elsewhere, including in leagues overseas if he wishes. Otherwise, if he wants to play in the NHL prior to age 27, it would be under terms dictated by the Winnipeg Jets. The trade return to the Jets should be commensurate with the loss, and that is why the asking price is high. The Jets shouldn't take a loss just because Trouba wants to be elsewhere; they should be compensated fully in fact, with an individual that replaces his value on their roster, today.

 

[57special]

Maybe he could take out Canadian citizenship so she can apply to a Canadian university

That seems like a stupid requirement that he needs to live full time in the states for her to go to med school.

I think there's more to the story then we're being told.

Canadian med schools have foreign students.......I don't get it.

There are some vg to excellent med schools in Canada that she can attend that are easily on par( if not better) than most in the US. And the degree is transferable to the US, for the most part.

What if the best school sho is accepted to is Case Western in Cleveland, or some other city without a franchise such as New Orleans.

Anyway, doesn't really matter. Trouba doesn't want to play for the Jets. Move him. He's a good player,with the potential to be really good, but he's not a franchise player. Move him for the best possible value, and don't get stubborn about needing a LD in return.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Harmonic asked for a trade for legitimate family reasons. Trades are difficult to accomplish as GMs are graded on them and can change the fortunes of a franchise and bad ones can cost a GM his job. Harmonic rescinded his trade request after a while when Snow /NYI could not obtain the value they wanted through trade.

I do not see Chevy getting the value he wants mid season. I believe Troubas value will be highest just b4 the expansion draft, when a lot of teams will be forced in making changes.

Harmonic did things right by continuing to play when requesting a trade. Trouba wants to be treated like a UFA before he has earned the right.

The Jets have gone out of their way to accommodate Trouba in his 3 year ELC. He was homesick so they even gave his brother a job in the organization to be his baby sitter.

I do not see this ending well for Trouba.

 

[lomiller1]

As a Bruins fan, I'd think long and hard about Spooner and Carlo for Trouba. I would not add a first.

Spooner is meh. He’s a little better than Lowry offensively, but not much and he’s not as good defensively and his puck possession is consistently below average. I’m a long way from convinced Carlo anything but a bottom pairing D being propped up by quality veterans. I don’t think he has the skill set for required for today’s NHL. If he’s doing well in Boston, then he should probably stay there because IMO he has the look of a player who would disappear if moved.

 

[Pia8988]

Spooner is meh. He’s a little better than Lowry offensively, but not much and he’s not as good defensively and his puck possession is consistently below average. I’m a long way from convinced Carlo anything but a bottom pairing D being propped up by quality veterans. I don’t think he has the skill set for required for today’s NHL. If he’s doing well in Boston, then he should probably stay there because IMO he has the look of a player who would disappear if moved.

Lowry doesnt have as many points in his whole career so far as Spooner did last year. As for Carlo, skills like great skating and excellent gap control are awful skillsets for todays NHL.

 

[Gotaf7]

It's funny. Here we have an American player who wants out of Canada because his GF wants to go to a US medical school (second excuse BTW)and some posters saying the Jets are treating him badly.

But when Travis Hamonic wanted a trade closer to home because of a family illness, oh no, Islanders can't just give him away.

One poster in particular was all over Hamonic saying his loyality should be to the team that drafted him. But with Trouba, the Jets are the evil ones.

Travis found a way around it. So can Jacob. Marry her, let her find a medical school in the US, buy her house, visit her when you can and have her visit you when she can. Play for the Jets until you become a UFA and then sell yourself to the highest bidder.
Until then, put on your big boy pants and stop whining like the little ***** you are.

BTW...I'm not a Jets fan. Just someone who sees the incredible hypocrisy of some people.

Nailed it!

 

[Confucius]

There are some vg to excellent med schools in Canada that she can attend that are easily on par( if not better) than most in the US. And the degree is transferable to the US, for the most part.

What if the best school sho is accepted to is Case Western in Cleveland, or some other city without a franchise such as New Orleans.

Anyway, doesn't really matter. Trouba doesn't want to play for the Jets. Move him. He's a good player,with the potential to be really good, but he's not a franchise player. Move him for the best possible value, and don't get stubborn about needing a LD in return.

Thought I read she didn't qualify for med school in Canada.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Jacob Trouba's Girlfriend Kelly Tyson already has earned a Bachelors degree from the University of Michigan and then went home to Australia to get her masters degree from the University of Sydney. No reason why she doesn't go to Med School to at the University of Michigan they've one of the top Med Schools in the US and maybe that's what she would be thinking and why Trouba would want to come home to Detroit by the sound of things. Though i think it has more to do with his own family want to play in the States then it has with his girlfriend.

 

[BruinsPortugal]

Spooner is meh. He’s a little better than Lowry offensively, but not much and he’s not as good defensively and his puck possession is consistently below average. I’m a long way from convinced Carlo anything but a bottom pairing D being propped up by quality veterans. I don’t think he has the skill set for required for today’s NHL. If he’s doing well in Boston, then he should probably stay there because IMO he has the look of a player who would disappear if moved.

Lol wut?
He may or may not pan out but if Carlo has anything in his favor is the fact that he has all the tools to succeed in today's NHL. Talk about having no clue.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think the Jets are treating Trouba badly. They just need to get an offer with enough value to justify trading him.