Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[Coach Parker]

Spooner is meh. He’s a little better than Lowry offensively, but not much and he’s not as good defensively and his puck possession is consistently below average. I’m a long way from convinced Carlo anything but a bottom pairing D being propped up by quality veterans. I don’t think he has the skill set for required for today’s NHL. If he’s doing well in Boston, then he should probably stay there because IMO he has the look of a player who would disappear if moved.

Wait, what?

A little bit better meaning he had more points last year than Lowry has in all of his three years combined? This assessment is off here and just to give you a more accurate comparison to use Spooner put up better numbers than Wheeler and is pacing himself at Wheeler stats. Lowry is a 3-4th line plug who hasn't had three full seasons of play that match what Spooner does in one. I get that you may not watch them play at all but the comparison is off.

Carlo = Morrissey but two years younger. That's how Jets fans can gauge his value to Bruins fans and rightfully so.

Again, I get you're not interested in the package I just wanted to clarify the actual value and skill of the players being discussed.

 

[Paradise*]

Wait, what?

A little bit better meaning he had more points last year than Lowry has in all of his three years combined? This assessment is off here and just to give you a more accurate comparison to use Spooner put up better numbers than Wheeler and is pacing himself at Wheeler stats. Lowry is a 3-4th line plug who hasn't had three full seasons of play that match what Spooner does in one. I get that you may not watch them play at all but the comparison is off.

Carlo = Morrissey but two years younger. That's how Jets fans can gauge his value to Bruins fans and rightfully so.

Again, I get you're not interested in the package I just wanted to clarify the actual value and skill of the players being discussed.

Nice summary. I don't get the assessment either. It's definitely off.

 

[Hunter368]

Wait, what?

A little bit better meaning he had more points last year than Lowry has in all of his three years combined? This assessment is off here and just to give you a more accurate comparison to use Spooner put up better numbers than Wheeler and is pacing himself at Wheeler stats. Lowry is a 3-4th line plug who hasn't had three full seasons of play that match what Spooner does in one. I get that you may not watch them play at all but the comparison is off.

Carlo = Morrissey but two years younger. That's how Jets fans can gauge his value to Bruins fans and rightfully so.

Again, I get you're not interested in the package I just wanted to clarify the actual value and skill of the players being discussed.

Spooner is much better then Lowry. Agreed

Carlo = Josh? Not sure, I need to see Carlo play more, Josh is very solid. Obviously I've seen Josh play/practice much more then Carlo

 

[lomiller1]

Second of all, YOU obviously don't listen to anyone. You have "no need for additional forwards"? is that a joke? Seriously?

Yes seriously, we don’t need forward. The main reason you think we need forwards is because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Center -- 10-15? Schleife is great, but is he the next Toews or the next Backes

Scheifele was better than Toews last year and Backes can’t carry his jockstrap this point.

Little and Perrault are ok, but good enough to be 2/3 on a contender?

Little is one of the best #2 centers in the NHL he scores at first line rates and is outstanding defensively. Perreault is arguably the most underrated player in the NHL. He’s one of the elite puck possession players in the NHL and produces points and scoring chances at t really high rate.

Wheelers can make great plays, but not exactly getting younger and he has never been great overall

Wheeler is a top 5 RW in the NHL...
After him we have Ehlers, Armia, Stafford, Dano(LW/RW) Tanev, Kosmachuck, Lipon, Roslovic (C/RW)
Drew Stafford was a 20 goal scorer last year, and we have no idea where he fits in the lineup when he comes back from IR.

Ehlers will become a great 3rd lineer

He’s already a good second line player, are you suggesting he’ll get worse?

Behind him there isn't much.

Even when Ehlers plays the right side we are still overcrowded on the left
Kyle Connor, Adam Lowry (C/LW), Matthias, Burmistrov (C/LW), Marco Dano, Nic Petan, Brendan Lemieux, Chase De Leo, EriK Foley, Micheal Spacek.

 

[MikeRahl]

Drew Stafford was a 20 goal scorer last year, and we have no idea where he fits in the lineup when he comes back from IR.

To be fair we have no idea where he fits when he comes back because he was playing like hot garbage before he was injured

 

[Coach Parker]

Spooner is much better then Lowry. Agreed

Carlo = Josh? Not sure, I need to see Carlo play more, Josh is very solid. Obviously I've seen Josh play/practice much more then Carlo

I've been lucky enough to watch both. Carlo right now is playing a better game but we need to consider that he has been thrust into the top pairing RHD position out of dire need in Boston. As a result, he has been the best defenseman on Boston but realistically can he keep this up at his age? I don't think so.

The learning curve for defensemen is pretty steep and if Boston doesn't get the #1 RHD to push:

Krug - Trouba
Chara - Carlo

...to their rightful positions (would be the same as putting Morrissey as the #1 but two years ago, where we would see a strong start like he has in his limited games but a full season would take its toll on Carlo OR Morrissey) so the Bruins can actually ice a solid enough team in front of Rask.

Different styles of play and Carlo is playing better early this season. It just goes to show you the depth of defense in Winnipeg vs. Boston where a guy like Morrissey/Carlo is playing the top pairing in one franchise at 19 while the other is still getting time to develop and prepare for that role.

The comparison also allows people who haven't watched the Bruins early this year (don't blame you) understand why people would currently not even want to move Carlo in a deal for Trouba.

Blow Chevy's socks off or the Jets let Trouba sit, and it doesn't sound like Boston's deal without Carlo in it does that.

 

[CaptainChef]

I think its a bit early to call Ehlers a 3rd liner

Yep not even close on half of the stuff he says on here, but hey he's been followed this league longer than anyone and has in depth knowledge on all teams, so who's to question that

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I don't think the Jets are treating Trouba badly. They just need to get an offer with enough value to justify trading him.

Exactly unless Cheveldayoff gets his return, Jacob Trouba wont be going anywhere.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Here is the problem behind the Carlo BS; the Jets aren't looking for an RD to play behind Byfuglien and Myers. Whoever suggested they were is likely just spreading manure. The key piece in a trade return for Trouba is not going to be a guy that slots in at the bottom of the lineup.

The Boston rumor does not pass the smell test.

 

[lomiller1]

Haha, guys relax. Please. Instead of reverting to personal attacks every time: This is a discussion board, I come here to discuss

Saying you have no idea what you are talking about isn’t an attack it’s an observation on the content of your posts. If you don’t like people criticizing your hockey knowledge, stop posting stupid things.

 

[lomiller1]

As for Carlo, skills like great skating and excellent gap control are awful skillsets for todays NHL.

I don’t like his skating, he lacks agility. I don’t like his passing. I don’t like his puck skills. I don’t like his gap control. With his lack of agility he’ll need to surrender the blue line or get beat wide consistently. Boston has a system and players that can help with this somewhat and he seems to fit there so far, but he looks like the type of player that will be exposed playing anywhere else.

 

[robertocarlos]

Wow just get a new girlfriend Jacob. Girls are pretty much everywhere these days.

I love you but in a non gay way.

 

[robertocarlos]

This is ridiculous. He's an RFA with NO bargaining rights. He signed the ELC and therefore must live by the terms and conditions of it. If Winnipeg had so many koodies and was such a bad place for him to play he shouldn't have signed with us. He could have stayed in College for 4 years and gone back into the draft. But he didn't. He signed the ELC and we own his rights for 4 more years.

Until our management gets what they need in a trade there is no reason they should trade him. The wishes and wants of his girlfriend has no bearing on the people in this city that support this team, the NHL and make it possible for Trouba to make the money he does (will).

If Jacob really wants a trade to happen then he should sign a market value contract with the Jets. Once his price is established his value to many teams goes up. No one wants to deal with his agent so remove that from the equation.

Taking a player's side who has been very shady in his reasoning and marketing doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Should every player who requests a trade be immediately granted no matter how bad it is for the team that drafted him?

Bizarre reasoning.

He's a human being who deserves the freedom of choice to work where he wants to work.

 

[Saidin]

He's a human being who deserves the freedom of choice to work where he wants to work.

And he does. He can flip burgers, raise cows, sit behind a desk.

He just can't play in the NHL where he wants. Put in your 4 more years and then you have your choice of where you want to go. Don't like that? Than don't sign your contract after you've been drafted.

 

[lomiller1]

Wait, what?

A little bit better meaning he had more points last year than Lowry has in all of his three years combined?

5v5 the last 2 full seasons (2014 – 2016)
Spooner has 42 points and 33 primary points. Lowry has 34 points and 29 primary points. Spooner has more PP points but he isn’t getting a lot of PP time here.

Over that same period Spooner has a -3.5 Rel CF% and compared to Lowry’s -0.6. Even if he edges out Lowry it’d be for a 4th line role because Little and Perreault have the 2 and 3 spots. I don’t see him generating a lot of offence playing between Thorburn and Tanev.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

It's funny. Here we have an American player who wants out of Canada because his GF wants to go to a US medical school (second excuse BTW)and some posters saying the Jets are treating him badly.

But when Travis Hamonic wanted a trade closer to home because of a family illness, oh no, Islanders can't just give him away.

One poster in particular was all over Hamonic saying his loyality should be to the team that drafted him. But with Trouba, the Jets are the evil ones.

Travis found a way around it. So can Jacob. Marry her, let her find a medical school in the US, buy her house, visit her when you can and have her visit you when she can. Play for the Jets until you become a UFA and then sell yourself to the highest bidder.
Until then, put on your big boy pants and stop whining like the little ***** you are.

BTW...I'm not a Jets fan. Just someone who sees the incredible hypocrisy of some people.

This guy.......this guy I like

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I don't think the Jets are treating Trouba badly. They just need to get an offer with enough value to justify trading him.

Treating him badly?

Assuming Bob McKenzie is correct, there is a standing 6 year, $33 million offer on the table for him to play ice hockey. I wish someone would treat ME that badly.

EDIT: Oops, I see now that you said you DON'T think the Jets are treating him badly. My bad, and I agree.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

Trouba is a very valuable commodity. Im sure the asking price is sky high, which it should be. However if Chevy thinks there is a like D for D trade out there, he is kidding himself.

There is a shortage of good d in the league and no team is willing to trade them.

I think the play is to see how long Trouba is willing to sit out for.

This is one of those stand offs that is going to set a precident for the rest of the league. As a leaf fan i hope they hold out until he decides to come back. THe leafs dont need any of their rookies getting some bright idea lol.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

He's a human being who deserves the freedom of choice to work where he wants to work.

He has that choice. He can go to the KHL. He can go to the any other league he wants really. It's his choice to play in the NHL.

Edit: Get this. I just went into my boss's office and said thanks for the 300% increase in pay but unless I get the corner office, I am not coming into work. He's being totally unreasonable. This is basically a human rights violation.

 

[57special]

Thought I read she didn't qualify for med school in Canada.

If she can't qualify for Medical school in Canada, she likely won't be qualifying at good schools in the US, either.

It's not like Trouba can get a trade to, say, DRW, and than she can apply for and automatically get into Michigan. That's a good school.

Sounds like he is making up excuses not to be in WPG, maybe western Canada, possibly all of Canada. Whether the excuses are good ones or not, this scenario is heading in only one direction.

Trade the bloody guy for max value. IMO, Jets are nuts to insist on a young, similarly talented LHD in return. They are limiting their their return.

 

[Hunter368]

Treating him badly?

Assuming Bob McKenzie is correct, there is a standing 6 year, $33 million offer on the table for him to play ice hockey. I wish someone would treat ME that badly.

Not to mention a top pairing job of the left side with one of the best offensive D in the nhl

 

[GoJetsGo55]

 

[PG Canuck]

That's right, it's a business, so why should Trouba have any kind of loyalty to the Jets when his life is taking him somewhere else? It works both ways. Trouba is doing nothing wrong either, he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg so they should trade him, they will get a very good return. They might be asking for too much though, that deal they wanted from Boston is a lot.

Jets have more say in what happens. Trouba can sit for as long as he wants. The Jets management is still getting paid.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

That's right, it's a business, so why should Trouba have any kind of loyalty to the Jets when his life is taking him somewhere else? It works both ways. Trouba is doing nothing wrong either, he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg so they should trade him, they will get a very good return. They might be asking for too much though, that deal they wanted from Boston is a lot.

Chevy has 1 job. I mean he has multiple things to do in his job but the he has 1 MO that rises above all the rest. "Do what is in the best interest of the Winnipeg Jets."

If trading Trouba for one of the offers that have come through fit that criteria, we would have seen a trade happen already.

 

[Hunter368]

If she can't qualify for Medical school in Canada, she likely won't be qualifying at good schools in the US, either.

It's not like Trouba can get a trade to, say, DRW, and than she can apply for and automatically get into Michigan. That's a good school.

Sounds like he is making up excuses not to be in WPG, maybe western Canada, possibly all of Canada. Whether the excuses are good ones or not, this scenario is heading in only one direction.

Trade the bloody guy for max value. IMO, Jets are nuts to insist on a young, similarly talented LHD in return. They are limiting their their return.

Chevy original ask was for a similar to lhd, IMO that sounds like the ideal return no different then any negotiation. Will he change his before Dec 1st? IMO yes. Let's wait and see, up to Nov 15th or so, is just negotiations and posturing. Chevy IMO isn't even seriously listening to offers yet.....waiting till last two weeks.