Proposal: Trouba Mega Thread Part VI

[kunekune]

Though i think it has more to do with his own family want to play in the States then it has with his girlfriend.

His dad is convicted and is not allowed to enter Canada. Wants his son to move USA so he can watch Jacob playing?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

His dad is convicted and is not allowed to enter Canada. Wants his son to move USA so he can watch Jacob playing?

Plus there's this kerfuffle about "marketing" Trouba to try and cash in on his brand. Apparently that's impossible in Winnipeg so they need him in a major US city to cash in.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

His dad is convicted and is not allowed to enter Canada. Wants his son to move USA so he can watch Jacob playing?

There is some talk that the DAD and his past let's say criminal endeavours are playing a role in this for sure.

But like 99 percent of the stuff in this topic and for that matter, every other trouba topic and honestly, that covers sportsnet right through to TSN and all of that stuff, it's all just speculation and who knows.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Plus there's this kerfuffle about "marketing" Trouba to try and cash in on his brand. Apparently that's impossible in Winnipeg so they need him in a major US city to cash in.

Trouba doesn't have the personality or quite frankly, ability to be a star like that. He's just another player in the big picture, he's good but he's not Doughty or Subban and even Subban is just ok, but because he has a big personality, which Trouba does not... well, YUP.

The Troubas are dreaming.

 

[CaptainChef]

I've been lucky enough to watch both. Carlo right now is playing a better game but we need to consider that he has been thrust into the top pairing RHD position out of dire need in Boston. As a result, he has been the best defenseman on Boston but realistically can he keep this up at his age? I don't think so.

The learning curve for defensemen is pretty steep and if Boston doesn't get the #1 RHD to push:

Krug - Trouba
Chara - Carlo

...to their rightful positions (would be the same as putting Morrissey as the #1 but two years ago, where we would see a strong start like he has in his limited games but a full season would take its toll on Carlo OR Morrissey) so the Bruins can actually ice a solid enough team in front of Rask.

Different styles of play and Carlo is playing better early this season. It just goes to show you the depth of defense in Winnipeg vs. Boston where a guy like Morrissey/Carlo is playing the top pairing in one franchise at 19 while the other is still getting time to develop and prepare for that role.

The comparison also allows people who haven't watched the Bruins early this year (don't blame you) understand why people would currently not even want to move Carlo in a deal for Trouba.

Blow Chevy's socks off or the Jets let Trouba sit, and it doesn't sound like Boston's deal without Carlo in it does that.

I really think there's a deal to be made with Boston. Seems like most Jets are just so-so with Spooner, however, and most Bruins aren't keen on trading Carlo (and if he's playing as well as Morrissey right now, how can you blame them).

If you can trade up to a top 4 of:
Krug - Trouba
Chara - Carlo
wouldn't that be the ultimate? That's what you have depth for in an organization, so you can make these trades.

Jets have been after a top line LHD, but that very likely won't happen. Alternatively, I'd be keen on them getting some depth on D (and maybe a future D-man with at least potential to have the upside that Trouba has).

Here's a possibility to consider that allows you guys to greatly enhance you defense, while keeping your forward strength. What would you think of this:

Zboril (LHD prospect)+ Lauzon/McAvoy (RHD? prospect) + 1st.

I know this digs somewhat into your defensive depth (plus I know that many fans in Wpg would object to just getting prospects in a deal). For sure, this is a step down from the OP (Spooner + Carlo + 1st), but maybe something that meets our future needs better, and allows us to go 3D + 7F for the expansion draft.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Trouba is a very valuable commodity. Im sure the asking price is sky high, which it should be. However if Chevy thinks there is a like D for D trade out there, he is kidding himself.

There is a shortage of good d in the league and no team is willing to trade them.

I think the play is to see how long Trouba is willing to sit out for.

This is one of those stand offs that is going to set a precident for the rest of the league. As a leaf fan i hope they hold out until he decides to come back. THe leafs dont need any of their rookies getting some bright idea lol.

Yes, this is also the tone I got from reading this. The ball appears to be in Trouba's court.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/trouba-really-only-has-two-choices-1.596587

 

[Hunter368]

Yes, this is also the tone I got from reading this. The ball appears to be in Trouba's court.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/trouba-really-only-has-two-choices-1.596587

Bob nailed it, it's all up to Trouba now, barring an offer Chevy cannot refuse.

 

[Montecristo]

5v5 the last 2 full seasons (2014 – 2016)
Spooner has 42 points and 33 primary points. Lowry has 34 points and 29 primary points. Spooner has more PP points but he isn’t getting a lot of PP time here.

Over that same period Spooner has a -3.5 Rel CF% and compared to Lowry’s -0.6. Even if he edges out Lowry it’d be for a 4th line role because Little and Perreault have the 2 and 3 spots. I don’t see him generating a lot of offence playing between Thorburn and Tanev.

Wait, you know that spooner broke into the NHL at the end of 2014-15 season right?

So while spooner has the slight points edge 5v5 over Lowry over that sample size, he's played like 50 less games.

Also completely eliminating spooners ability to contribute on the PP is strange. People treat PP points like they don't mean anything when goals count no matter how they are scored. He's a factor on the bruins power play and would be in Winnipeg as well. To cherry pick stats to try to equalize these two players is disingenuous. Spooner is a better offensive player than Lowry.

This stat I'll provide is a little bit more all encompassing

Lowry PPG since 2014-15
.25

Spooner PPG since 2014-15
.59

Essentially it's a 20 point player for a 48 point player comparing the 2 offensively. Pretty substantial

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

Yep not even close on half of the stuff he says on here, but hey he's been followed this league longer than anyone and has in depth knowledge on all teams, so who's to question that

lol.

Who does he support anyway? Rangers?

Back to Trouba, I dont understand wanting to keep him, am I the only one who has lost all apathy towards him? Dont really care for him anymore. rather just cash in on him, and get a good ol Canadian boy..

Tired of Bratty US players, Kane, Kesler, Trouba etc.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Wait, you know that spooner broke into the NHL at the end of 2014-15 season right?

So while spooner has the slight points edge 5v5 over Lowry over that sample size, he's played like 50 less games.

Also completely eliminating spooners ability to contribute on the PP is strange. People treat PP points like they don't mean anything when goals count no matter how they are scored. He's a factor on the bruins power play and would be in Winnipeg as well. To cherry pick stats to try to equalize these two players is disingenuous. Spooner is a better offensive player than Lowry.

This stat I'll provide is a little bit more all encompassing

Lowry PPG since 2014-15
.25

Spooner PPG since 2014-15
.59

Essentially it's a 20 point player for a 48 point player comparing the 2 offensively. Pretty substantial

Perhaps to another team, Spooner really doesn't fit a need for the Jets...

Forwards really are the least of the Jets concerns at the moment.

 

[THall4]

Bob nailed it, it's all up to Trouba now, barring an offer Chevy cannot refuse.

Wonder if Trouba would consider signing a 1 year deal with a "trade me by TDL" clause of something lol.

 

[Montecristo]

Perhaps to another team, Spooner really doesn't fit a need for the Jets...

Forwards really are the least of the Jets concerns at the moment.

I'm just trying to relay that Lowry does not equal spooner as far as offense is concerned

 

[AstrophysicalJet]

Wonder if Trouba would consider signing a 1 year deal with a "trade me by TDL" clause of something lol.

Just watch it turn into a bridge deal instead.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Bob nailed it, it's all up to Trouba now, barring an offer Chevy cannot refuse.

Agreed. A $33 million offer (putting him above his peers Lindholm, Reilly, etc) and Maurice's assurance that he was going to get 1st pair minutes. This is more than fair for a 22 year old defenceman.

LHD/RHD issue aside, he would likely naturally be the #1 RHD in - at minimum - a year or two.

He's a fool if he lets this go IMO (I have no idea how valid the girlfriend / "brand" / criminal marketing dad stuff is).

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I'm just trying to relay that Lowry does not equal spooner as far as offense is concerned

I'd agree with that. I'd go on to say it's not even close. Lowry is more of a defensive player tho. Thing with Spooner to the Jets is Jets have this kid (19 years old) in the AHL right now, Jack Roslovic, he's putting up some damn good numbers... I think he's 3 center perhaps as early as next season which bumps Lowry to 4th... where he would be better suited. The only reason Lowry is 3 Center right now is because Little is hurt, If not, It would be Scheif,Little,Perreault, Lowry. So you are comparing a 4th line center in Lowry to a 3rd line Center in Spooner. Different roles there.

Oh and yeah, Perreault can and should move to the wing.

 

[ffh]

Perhaps to another team, Spooner really doesn't fit a need for the Jets...

Forwards really are the least of the Jets concerns at the moment.

spooner is exactly what this team needs. and he is a centre who scored 50 points. we have lots of wingers but no centre that could play on 2nd line. little is out for at least a month longer. Perrault is a 3rd line centre and everyone else is 4th line material. he would take so much pressure of Perrault so yes he does fit the jets needs. or we could jest let another year slip by playing a centre in the 2 and 3 hole that cant handle that job. who needs a 50 point centre making a million a year when we have burmi to play centre instead.

 

[Weezeric]

spooner is exactly what this team needs. and he is a centre who scored 50 points. we have lots of wingers but no centre that could play on 2nd line. little is out for at least a month longer. Perrault is a 3rd line centre and everyone else is 4th line material. he would take so much pressure of Perrault so yes he does fit the jets needs. or we could jest let another year slip by playing a centre in the 2 and 3 hole that cant handle that job. who needs a 50 point centre making a million a year when we have burmi to play centre instead.

I don't the jets should make a trade for their 22 yr old top pair D based off the needs of the next month...

 

[ffh]

I don't the jets should make a trade for their 22 yr old top pair D based off the needs of the next month...

we are not getting a ld version of trouba in return nor are we getting a top 2 dman either. a good centre and a very good d prospect in return helps us now and in the future. spooner and carlo/mcavoy is a fair return. if boston doesn't want to do it then that's fine too. find someone that will.

 

[cobra427]

Bob nailed it, it's all up to Trouba now, barring an offer Chevy cannot refuse.

Actually it is up to Chevy. At the end of the day, Trouba does not want to play for the Jets. It doesn't matter what the reason is, not wanting to play the left side/Girlfriend/Dad/Canada, etc... It doesn't matter that he is an RFA and not a UFA, he wants out, the die has been cast. Chevy can play hard ball, kick the can down the road, but will have to trade him sooner or later, or deal with an unhappy player sitting at home or in the locker room, and likely playing poorly if he is forced to sign a deal. Best for Jets is trading Trouba right away.

 

[Hunter368]

I don't the jets should make a trade for their 22 yr old top pair D based off the needs of the next month...

Agreed, I don't give a flying rats azz about the next month. I only care about long term benefit to the Jets

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

His dad is convicted and is not allowed to enter Canada. Wants his son to move USA so he can watch Jacob playing?

Yup that's what i saw on the Jets board, And if that true then it's understandable why he would want to play in the States and not in Canada.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Wonder if Trouba would consider signing a 1 year deal with a "trade me by TDL" clause of something lol.

I'm thinking maybe a 2 year bridge deal, Contingent that Cheveldayoff is going to trade him to an American team. It's sounding like he doesn't want to play in Winnipeg period more or less a sign and trade kind of deal is the only thing they will accept.

 

[Maukkis]

Agreed, I don't give a flying rats azz about the next month. I only care about long term benefit to the Jets

Can every Jets fan quote this post?

 

[Hunter368]

Actually it is up to Chevy. At the end of the day, Trouba does not want to play for the Jets. It doesn't matter what the reason is, not wanting to play the left side/Girlfriend/Dad/Canada, etc... It doesn't matter that he is an RFA and not a UFA, he wants out, the die has been cast. Chevy can play hard ball, kick the can down the road, but will have to trade him sooner or later, or deal with an unhappy player sitting at home or in the locker room, and likely playing poorly if he is forced to sign a deal. Best for Jets is trading Trouba right away.

We all understand your opinion, panic trade Trouba asap. Thankfully Chevy and ownership disagree.

For the record I do believe he will be traded before Dec 1st. No clue if it's for lhd or BPA or package, but it will be a good haul either way. As I've stated I don't think Chevy has even been seriously listening to offers yet since Sept announcement (best offers will be placed in last two weeks since Sept announcement). I do think Chevy was listening to offers around the draft but winning the lottery likely complicated his plans (and others perhaps). Around draft was best time to trade him, but fate changed that.....not complaining about getting Laine

 

[tbcwpg]

Yes, this is also the tone I got from reading this. The ball appears to be in Trouba's court.

http://www.tsn.ca/talent/trouba-really-only-has-two-choices-1.596587

Trouba's advantage is that he can limit where he goes since his agent will be able to tell teams that may be interested in him whether he will sign there, and his position is one that's coveted through the league.

His disadvantage is that the Jets GM doesn't HAVE to trade him by December 1, and he doesn't really have the ability to force a trade. He can ask for one, demand one, but he can't force one, and he's dealing with a GM that took 3 years to trade Evander Kane.