Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[Exit Dose]

Yes, anyone under contract for half of the length of Trouba's RFA status. Most teams would see it the same way. You don't seem to, which is your right.

Again, that's just ********. There are countless trades in this league, including the Ryan trade that I mentioned earlier, which directly contradict that.

Which is it? In one message you claim it's a Winnipeg issue, which is fine, BTW. In this one, it's league wide. Make up your mind.

 

[Heldig]

Then that issue is with Winnipeg, not the value of his contract.

And I was responding to a proposal of swapping Trouba for Fowler stating Fowler is exactly what Chevys apparent demand on a return is which is a top 4 LHD. That is false. Chevy cant give up 2 years of contract control.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Again, that's just ********. There are countless trades in this league, including the Ryan trade that I mentioned earlier, which directly contradict that.

Which is it? In one message you claim it's a Winnipeg issue, which is fine, BTW. In this one, it's league wide. Make up your mind.

I think what he's saying is that it's a Winnipeg issue and most teams would recognize that.....not that it's something that most teams need to deal with.

 

[ManofSteel55]

And I was responding to a proposal of swapping Trouba for Fowler stating Fowler is exactly what Chevys apparent demand on a return is which is a top 4 LHD. That is false. Chevy cant give up 2 years of contract control.

There comes a point where Chevy will be narrowing his wants to much. Wanting to swap his top 4 RHD for a top 4 LHD is fair enough, its a hockey deal in that case. But wanting to trade his top 4 RHD with 4 years of control for a top 4 LHD with 4 or more years of control makes it a lot harder. Unless sitting Trouba is his preferred option, Chevy might simply have to pick what is more important - getting the player he wants, or getting the perfect contract back. Otherwise he could be limiting the possible trade options too much.

Fowler for Trouba is fair, IMO. The big issue is that the Ducks can't add salary, and Trouba seems to want more than what Fowler is making.

 

[Exit Dose]

I think what he's saying is that it's a Winnipeg issue and most teams would recognize that.....not that it's something that most teams need to deal with.

If that is what they meant, then I'll concede the point.

 

[Exit Dose]

Fowler for Trouba is fair, IMO. The big issue is that the Ducks can't add salary, and Trouba seems to want more than what Fowler is making.

Actually, the bigger issue is one of need. If Fowler is going out, then we need a left winger coming in. We're not really hurting for defense.

 

[Hunter368]

I suspect if Fowler was the only available LHD, Chevy would change his demands to just bpa (forwards), then fill the LHD with an older serviceable cheaper LHD with 1-2 years on contract. This gets best value for Trouba and buys time for our LHD prospects to develop.

 

[Lempo]

Plus: take it into account

Minus: use it solely to judge every player against each other

Which one do you think that post was lol

Actually I was only punning with reference to +/-.

I'm not much good but I still want to play too.

 

[JetsHomer]

Actually, the bigger issue is one of need. If Fowler is going out, then we need a left winger coming in. We're not really hurting for defense.

Actually the biggest issue is that if Trouba goes out the Jets need a top 4 Dman to replace his minutes, and as Fowler has already proven unable to handle minutes similar to Trouba the issue becomes apparent.

 

[Exit Dose]

Actually the biggest issue is that if Trouba goes out the Jets need a top 4 Dman to replace his minutes, and as Fowler has already proven unable to handle minutes similar to Trouba the issue becomes apparent.

I was talking about the biggest issue with that trade for Anaheim.

 

[Heldig]

I would be happy to see the Jets acquire Fowler as the #4 dman but dont see the Jets offering any of their top young LW and dont see Anaheim accepting Lowry or Burmistrov types for him.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Actually, the bigger issue is one of need. If Fowler is going out, then we need a left winger coming in. We're not really hurting for defense.

The highest I would ever go is Trouba + Connor for Lindholm.

That would hurt. I am probably going to get raked over coals for it. I don't even like the trade myself.....but it would make us a better team going into next season.

 

[Flair Hay]

Actually I was only punning with reference to +/-.

I'm not much good but I still want to play too.

One of the best defensive dmen of our generation that puts up 50 pts most years. I get cranky when the church of Corsi calls him ******. Thanks for playing along.

But because his 5v5 Corsi dropped when the Preds changed styles from Trotz to Laviolette, he's worse than 21 point Trouba? Trouba is solid but he's nothing special in his own end. Weber is.

Weber may not a very good neutral zone player, but he can neutralize any dominant cycle player and scores 15 goals every year.

 

[gwh]

And? When did having two years on a contract suddenly tank a player's value?

It does if you can't get anyone to play in winnipeg without an armed escort.

I wonder if there was a recent trade thread about a Winnipeg player that wants out of winnipeg? Hard to remember, started with T...

 

[Exit Dose]

It does if you can't get anyone to play in winnipeg without an armed escort.

I wonder if there was a recent trade thread about a Winnipeg player that wants out of winnipeg? Hard to remember, started with T...

Yes, I read the thread two hours ago.

 

[Henkka]

I suspect if Fowler was the only available LHD, Chevy would change his demands to just bpa (forwards), then fill the LHD with an older serviceable cheaper LHD with 1-2 years on contract. This gets best value for Trouba and buys time for our LHD prospects to develop.

Would Chevy then consider Kronwall from Detroit + solid winger like Tatar/Nyquist?

 

[Hunter368]

Would Chevy then consider Kronwall from Detroit + solid winger like Tatar/Nyquist?

Not likely

 

[Avsblitzkrieg]

Is the peg that rough of a town?

 

[Hunter368]

Is the peg that rough of a town?

It's no different then any city any where that is 750k-1million people other then it's colder. Summers are great just short winters are long and cold as a ****** heart.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

It's no different then any city any where that is 750k-1million people other then it's colder. Summers are great just short winters are long and cold as a ****** heart.

Ding Ding Ding!

 

[km204]

What would it take to get Provorov from Philly? I'm assuming there would be a + with Trouba and Winnipeg would have to take some salary from Philly.

 

[93LEAFS]

Why do you even care? It's not like he'd be willing to play in Toronto either. I'd think you'd be more worrying about Matthews trying the same thing in 3 years when he wants to go play in Arizona.

So much evidence of Matthews wanting out? Leafs have a pretty good track record with American players. Infact, an American player did what Trouba is doing to you to come here once (Kessel, refusing Boston and Nashville in the process). You also have no evidence of Trouba refusing to sign anywhere outside of Winnipeg, specifically Toronto. Although, I do think he is trying to force his way to Detroit.

 

[Blue Shakehead]

So much evidence of Matthews wanting out? Leafs have a pretty good track record with American players. Infact, an American player did what Trouba is doing to you to come here once (Kessel, refusing Boston and Nashville in the process). You also have no evidence of Trouba refusing to sign anywhere outside of Winnipeg, specifically Toronto. Although, I do think he is trying to force his way to Detroit.

Yeah, there's no way Trouba wouldn't want to play in Toronto, given its proximity to Detroit.

 

[kxx]

So much evidence of Matthews wanting out? Leafs have a pretty good track record with American players. Infact, an American player did what Trouba is doing to you to come here once (Kessel, refusing Boston and Nashville in the process). You also have no evidence of Trouba refusing to sign anywhere outside of Winnipeg, specifically Toronto. Although, I do think he is trying to force his way to Detroit.

Agree Its completely different. Toronto has big €€€€€€€ everything and is a bit warmer, wayyy more people, cheaper flights / closer to a lot of major US cities, etc.

Toronto does have the odd problem with MLB and NBA players but not too bad and will change as the city establishes a winning pedigree. For NHL its the richest franchise in a huge city can't see why Americans would complain.

Leafs biggest problem is just the terrible culture of losing (not saying Jets don't have this either last 6 years). I think they've had enough and since the Babcock/Lou scorched earth policy following the 2014-2015 season things gonna change.

Love Winnipeg but can be a hard sell for lots of people. Pretty lame IF thats why Trouba is leaving but what can ya do. Just wish it was all taken care of earlier.

 

[ffh]

Every ufa over the last 6 years has resigned in winnipeg except frolic. Ladd if given the money he wanted would have resigned too. This happen to every team it happened to boston with hamilton. We wont get the big time ufa's to come here on free agency day but thats a blessing in disguise.