Proposal: Trouba Mega-Thread Part III

[93LEAFS]

Agree Its completely different. Toronto has big €€€€€€€ everything and is a bit warmer, wayyy more people, cheaper flights / closer to a lot of major US cities, etc.

Toronto does have the odd problem with MLB and NBA players but not too bad and will change as the city establishes a winning pedigree. For NHL its the richest franchise in a huge city can't see why Americans would complain.

Leafs biggest problem is just the terrible culture of losing (not saying Jets don't have this either last 6 years). I think they've had enough and since the Babcock/Lou scorched earth policy following the 2014-2015 season things gonna change.

Love Winnipeg but can be a hard sell for lots of people. Pretty lame IF thats why Trouba is leaving but what can ya do. Just wish it was all taken care of earlier.

The big issue has always been taxes (for Toronto) and small ridiculous things (Antonio Davis claiming he wanted his kid to learn American History, players complaining about no ESPN, etc). The city seems to of grown on NBA players, sort of a landmark that we could keep Derozan when his hometown of LA was after him. Not a fan of him at all (musically, even if I'm a huge hip-hop head) but Drake has made Toronto cool among NBA guys. Derozan was pretty much the Stamkos situation in reverse.

At the end of the day, every Franchise is going to want guys who want out for various reasons. Boston, a great city to live in if you are young and have money has had Kessel and Hamilton force there way outs. The myth all Americans want out of Winnipeg should be quashed by the fact Wheeler and Buf stayed, but the guy who left was a western Canadian, and the one who most vocally wanted out (outside fo Trouba) was a Vancouver kid. Maybe its just those Minnesotens, but that is a pretty large pool of American players. It could just be Trouba doesn't trust Maurice.

 

[RememberTheName]

What would it take to get Provorov from Philly? I'm assuming there would be a + with Trouba and Winnipeg would have to take some salary from Philly.

Conner with probably a +, but Philly has no reason to trade him right now. Trouba would probably also be good, bUT there would definatell be a + from peg

 

[Gump Hasek]

Conner with probably a +, but Philly has no reason to trade him right now. Trouba would probably also be good, bUT there would definatell be a + from peg

The Jets aren't trading Connor, nor are they adding to Trouba to just trade him for a prospect. They want a young, proven d-man with similar NHL-experience.

In fact, given the way that Josh Morrissey has performed in camp, doubt the Jets are feeling any pressure to trade Trouba whatsoever right about now. Morrissey put up two assists against the Wild last night, had 3 shots on goal, blocked 2 shots, had 3 hits, was looking like a champ moving the puck on the pp. He is a former first round pick that is ready to graduate.

PS: Not throwing Connor into any trades, FYI. He is a keeper.

 

[Guffman]

The Jets have a lot of currency in young, cheap skilled players. I see no reason why the Jets need to flip Trouba for a LHD of comparable value. Perhaps you move Trouba for Draisaitl for example (speaking conceptually, not to start a war over that suggestion), and then move some of the glut we have at forward for a promising young LHD.

Maybe that is the Jets game plan and they want to see which forwards step up and which are expendable.

Realistically, thinking Trouba goes for a LHD 1:1 swap just doesn't seem realistic.

 

[Snowman]

Conner with probably a +, but Philly has no reason to trade him right now. Trouba would probably also be good, bUT there would definatell be a + from peg

That is absolutely crazy. There is no way on earth the Jets would be adding to Trouba to just get a prospect. Not a chance.

 

[Mathmew Purrrr Oh]

And? When did having two years on a contract suddenly tank a player's value? Sure didn't seem to set us back when we traded Ryan with that much term on his deal. One year left, sure, because there is a new set of variables that comes into play.

they want a minimum of 4 yrs of control

 

[Oates2Neely]

The Jets aren't trading Connor, nor are they adding to Trouba to just trade him for a prospect. They want a young, proven d-man with similar NHL-experience.

In fact, given the way that Josh Morrissey has performed in camp, doubt the Jets are feeling any pressure to trade Trouba whatsoever right about now. Morrissey put up two assists against the Wild last night, had 3 shots on goal, blocked 2 shots, had 3 hits, was looking like a champ moving the puck on the pp. He is a former first round pick that is ready to graduate.

PS: Not throwing Connor into any trades, FYI. He is a keeper.

Aren't you the guy who just 2 weeks boldly stated "there is no truth to Trouba wanting out of Peg & the team would never move him"? At it again I see

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

If i were personally Trouba he has 4 more years as a RFA, I would sign a 4 year deal maybe around $4.75 million per taking me up to UFA status and then leave as a UFA free to sign with any team he wants. Right now he's just hurting himself if Cheveldayoff lets him sit for any amount of time. He needs to be playing not sitting.

 

[gwh]

Aren't you the guy who just 2 weeks boldly stated "there is no truth to Trouba wanting out of Peg & the team would never move him"? At it again I see

I am still in the camp that Trouba stays in WPG (or KHL) this season. Nobody is paying his ask or giving WPG 22min LHD w 4+ years.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah, there's no way Trouba wouldn't want to play in Toronto, given its proximity to Detroit.

Depends if he only wants to play in the Eastern US don't know if it's factual yet. But if he did then i'm pretty sure that no Canadian team is on his list. Trouba grew up a diehard Red Wings fan heard he hated Toronto and maybe still does.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Aren't you the guy who just 2 weeks boldly stated "there is no truth to Trouba wanting out of Peg & the team would never move him"? At it again I see

No, I'm the guy that was saying that at that time there were no published reports that the team was looking to move him, since there weren't.

If they do trade him, hopefully it is to a team within your division, say to the Habs or Tampa, so you can watch him regularly and keep pining for an upgrade to the Bruins terrible D.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I am still in the camp that Trouba stays in WPG (or KHL) this season. Nobody is paying his ask or giving WPG 22min LHD w 4+ years.

Trouba isn't one that would go to the KHL, Rumor has it that he wants to play close to home or near Detroit as possible. Trouba would sit out before he would go to the KHL pretty sure that the KHL isn't an option for Trouba.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I would be happy to see the Jets acquire Fowler as the #4 dman but dont see the Jets offering any of their top young LW and dont see Anaheim accepting Lowry or Burmistrov types for him.

No way will a deal around Fowler for Trouba ever happen, The only way Fowler goes to Winnipeg is in a 3 way like Toronto sends JVR to Anaheim for Fowler and then flips Fowler to Winnipeg for Trouba or Detroit sends Tatar and another piece to Anaheim for Fowler and then flips Fowler to Winnipeg and either Detroit or Toronto get Trouba that's the only way it would happen. Seeing that Trouba will make more then Fowler any ways.

 

[VoynovsParoleOfficer]

Red Wings Jets ideal trade

Lots of rumors swirling that red wings had serious trade offers extended to WIN for Trouba.... cant seem to find any names involved. Do you think the offer was a 1 for 1? or a package deal, what do jets fans ideally want from Detroit in these negotiations if one day it does go through, i think its a perfect fit for both

 

[WTFMAN99]

Lots of rumors swirling that red wings had serious trade offers extended to WIN for Trouba.... cant seem to find any names involved. Do you think the offer was a 1 for 1? or a package deal, what do jets fans ideally want from Detroit in these negotiations if one day it does go through, i think its a perfect fit for both

apparently the offers consisted of 1-2 forwards but WPG wants a LHD

 

[Jeti]

The Jets have a lot of currency in young, cheap skilled players. I see no reason why the Jets need to flip Trouba for a LHD of comparable value. Perhaps you move Trouba for Draisaitl for example (speaking conceptually, not to start a war over that suggestion), and then move some of the glut we have at forward for a promising young LHD.

Maybe that is the Jets game plan and they want to see which forwards step up and which are expendable.

Realistically, thinking Trouba goes for a LHD 1:1 swap just doesn't seem realistic.

They have to make those two trades in the right order though. Get the LHD first, then all options are open for trading Trouba. If they trade Trouba for a forward first, they're in the Edmonton position of needing to horribly overpay due to a glaring need. Even if Morrissey steps up this year, they still need LHD. Enstrom is aging and Stanley/Green are at least 2 years away. The problem is only getting worse.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Would Chevy then consider Kronwall from Detroit + solid winger like Tatar/Nyquist?

Kronwall would never accept a deal to Winnipeg, Plus he's a cap recapture penalty risk should he retire early. More then likely he plays 2 more years and then retire or goes on LTIR for his last season. I think either something around Smith or DDK would be needed.

 

[gwh]

Trouba isn't one that would go to the KHL, Rumor has it that he wants to play close to home or near Detroit as possible. Trouba would sit out before he would go to the KHL pretty sure that the KHL isn't an option for Trouba.

Would you sit out if someone gives you tax free 3 millions for a season from Dec->March? I wouldn't.

 

[gwh]

How about younger crop? If WPG is looking at the years to UFA, then a guy like LHD Werenski just might work.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Lots of rumors swirling that red wings had serious trade offers extended to WIN for Trouba.... cant seem to find any names involved. Do you think the offer was a 1 for 1? or a package deal, what do jets fans ideally want from Detroit in these negotiations if one day it does go through, i think its a perfect fit for both

Supposedly what's being reported that Cheveldayoff wanted 2 high prospects from Detroit, One can only think Larkin maybe Nyquist/Tatar or maybe Mantha/ Svechikov and supposedly it was bad enough that Holland couldn't stomach the deal so nothing happened. By all accounts what Cheveldayoff is seeking from teams is extremely high right now. So who know's what will happen.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

This should be in the mega thread but apparently the offers consisted of 1-2 forwards but WPG wants a LHD

No that's not what was being reported by Dreger, Supposedly Holland reached out to Cheveldayoff about Trouba. And Cheveldayoff was seeking 2 high end forward prospects for Trouba one possibly being Larkin another mention of one of either Tatar/Nyquist or maybe Mantha or Svechnikov. Either way Holland said no way Jose no mention of Cheveldayoff asking for a LHD from Detroit.

 

[Peter Tosh]

As long as it's not Larkin, DeKeyser or Mrazek, I'd probably trade anyone for Trouba. Smith+ Svech/Mantha/Nyquist/Tatar/Shehan/1st+ Pulks/Jurco

 

[CamelToews]

No way will a deal around Fowler for Trouba ever happen, The only way Fowler goes to Winnipeg is in a 3 way like Toronto sends JVR to Anaheim for Fowler and then flips Fowler to Winnipeg for Trouba or Detroit sends Tatar and another piece to Anaheim for Fowler and then flips Fowler to Winnipeg and either Detroit or Toronto get Trouba that's the only way it would happen. Seeing that Trouba will make more then Fowler any ways.

Honestly a baseline of:
Anaheim: JVR
Winnipeg: Fowler
Toronto: Trouba

Makes a lot of sense for all parties with a few additions to be added on a few sides.

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

No that's not what was being reported by Dreger, Supposedly Holland reached out to Cheveldayoff about Trouba. And Cheveldayoff was seeking 2 high end forward prospects for Trouba one possibly being Larkin another mention of one of either Tatar/Nyquist or maybe Mantha or Svechnikov. Either way Holland said no way Jose no mention of Cheveldayoff asking for a LHD from Detroit.

Holland has long pined about how hard it is to acquire a number 1 dman. Either you need to tank for a high pick and hope that dman pans out to be a number 1 Dman or you pay through the nose via trade because those guys dont hit FA

I know Holland has long hoarded prospects and picks, but he needs to give to get here. If he is as desperate for a legit top pairing dman as it has been long rumored, he pony up whether he likes it or not to address the need. As good as detroits pipeline continues to be in restocking the lineup, I feel if they dont address this top pairing D need, they will continue to sit in the mediocre pack for the foreseeable future.

He isnt going to come out the "winner" in any trade for a legit top pair dman, especially a young one, but I think he would be more foolish to not take this opportunity to get one. Its much easier to find and acquire top 6 forwards than it is to acquire top pair dmen, so if the cost is Larkin and a little something else, well thats the price of admission. Knowing Holland though, he might never move on a trade where he doesnt feel he is the clear winner

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Honestly a baseline of:
Anaheim: JVR
Winnipeg: Fowler
Toronto: Trouba

Makes a lot of sense for all parties with a few additions to be added on a few sides.

Trouba >> Fowler / JVR