Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Hockeyfan2390]

What part of Yzerman saying that he wasn't looking to simply make the playoffs wasn't clear to you? (But you have a solid grip on how they operate, right?)



It was painfully obvious to everyone (Except you and your solid grip, apparently) that Bert was looking for a lengthy deal and wasn't getting it from Yzerman. That trade came as a surprise to nobody. The Hronek one did.



So again, your surprise that he hasn't been fired, since you apparently have a "Solid grip on how they operate", is weird.

It really would have been easier for you to just admit that you blindly trust him because you still can’t differentiate between Yzerman the legendary Hall of Fame captain and Yzerman the underperforming, underdelivering GM, and you’d still happily be bleating “trust the Yzerplan!!” if they still weren’t a playoff team by 2026.

Like I said, that’s your right. But for the rest of us who live in the present and have standards, it’s not good enough anymore.

 

[Pavels Dog]

What a huge win for the Wings.

- Simon Edvinsson 1+1, +2, continues to be a monster. On pace for 40 points without PP time.
- Seider 1+1, +3, another masterclass
- Dylan Larkin, on pace for 47 goals
- Lucas Raymond, goals in 3 straight after a slow scoring start
- Albert Johansson, 1st career point
- Lyon, .931

 

[Pavels Dog]

they used Holtz and Mukhamadullin to get Cotter and Meier as well, so they still wound up with a good amount of assets as a result (again, the benefit of being an active GM).

Yzerman traded Sebrango (3rd round 2020) as one of the main pieces to acquire Debrincat.

I give Yzerman full credits for two great picks in Raymond and Seider (particularly for Seider; Raymond was kind of an obvious pick).

No, Raymond wasn't an "obvious" pick. There was lots of debate after the top 3 in the 2020. For example Bob Mackenzie (one of the best out there) had Raymond at 6 in his final rankings. Holtz, Drysdale, Perfetti and Rossi were just a few of the candidates at that spot.

I just don't think you can ignore this if you're honestly evaluating Yzerman's drafting so far; getting something out of rounds 2-7 is a big part of being good at the draft.

Both Johansson and Söderblom are very likely to have NHL careers to some extent. Some outside chance Carter Gylander (7th round 2019) turns into an NHL goalie.
Wallinder from 2020 will play in the NHL, guaranteed. Hanas has a chance.
It's not a haul, but it's definitely something.

Honestly It's not a big deal; plus, Detroit's later drafts look a bit better in that regard (though we won't truly know until they start making the NHL). I just don't understand why that other poster is so unshakably confident that Yzerman's scouting genius will single-handedly carry Detroit through a rebuild. I don't think the available data supports that conclusion.

One reason for confidence is that the 1st round picks are probably ~80-90% of the Draft's importance. Your focus on depth picks is misguided because that's not an area of the draft you should rely on to build your roster.
As of right now, not a single one of Yzerman's 8 first round picks looks bad or disappointing.

 

[Pavels Dog]

If they do end up picking between 8th and 15th, then a very real question should be "well then why the heck were they only picking 8th back in 2022 and not making a higher selection?"

The answer is because they drafted Seider and Raymond and they were both Calder candidates in 2022.

You're also only using the "why didn't they pick higher" argument against teams that didn't win lotteries. Seriously, they were in a great position to draft higher. for at least a 5 year run.

2017 - Tied with Dallas in points. Dallas won the lottery (Heiskanen)
2018 - Top 5 odds, fell to 6th
2019 - top 4 odds, fell to 6th
2020 - #1 odds, fell to 4th
2021 - top 5 odds, fell to 6th

Replace New Jersey's draft luck with Detroit's, and they probably have Cody Glass, Lias Andersson or Casey Mittlestadt instead of Nico Hischier. Why aren't you saying that New Jersey should have tanked harder? Again - you're basing your entire argument on lottery luck being something that can be controlled, which it can't.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It really would have been easier for you to just admit that you blindly trust him because you still can’t differentiate between Yzerman the legendary Hall of Fame captain and Yzerman the underperforming, underdelivering GM, and you’d still happily be bleating “trust the Yzerplan!!” if they still weren’t a playoff team by 2026.

Like I said, that’s your right. But for the rest of us who live in the present and have standards, it’s not good enough anymore.

I like how you deflect to ranting with no point when you can't actually argue the topic.

Didn't address the point that Yzerman has been saying since day 1 build through the draft, and he's not looking to simply be a playoff team.

Didn't address the point that Bertuzzi was an obvious trade as Yzerman wasn't going to give him a long term contract. (He should've though, right? Tyler is playing so great these days)

Didn't address the point that this team even let Jeff Blashill play out his contract after multiple absurd 9-10 goal blowouts, but you're somehow shocked that they haven't fired Lalonde yet.

Nah. You just do this whiney ranting because you can't actually stay on topic.