Player Discussion Trent Frederic

[Bruinswillwin77]

And Lucic fought Colton Orr when he was a Bruin one time, where he hung on for dear life. Does that make Lucic the same as Orr was? My point stands.

What's your agenda against the guy? It's not like he's making 5m a year.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

I don't even care about Frederic's fighting. It's his inability to hit.

We've got arguably the toughest guy in the league on the 4th line. Pressure will be off Frederic to fight. That said, I'm sure Lucic will show him a thing or two.

He doesn't have an inability to hit he just too often chooses not to.

 

[JOKER 192]

If we're paying Freddy for what he has done, he's slightly overpaid but not by much.

If we're paying Freddy for what I expect of him then that's what he worth.

Going forward I don't expect Freddy playing for the Bruins beyond this contract.

The problem I see is that Freddy is a 3rd liner at best. He doesn't have top 6 skills.

If he repeats last season or betters it, he will command to much $$ for a 3rd liner.

If he underperforms last season then he's an overpriced 3rd liner.

I wouldn't be surprised if Freddy is part of a package in the next 700 days.

 

[Over the volcano]

What's your agenda against the guy? It's not like he's making 5m a year.

It's not personal for him, he just personally doesn't like Frederic.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

And Lucic fought Colton Orr when he was a Bruin one time, where he hung on for dear life. Does that make Lucic the same as Orr was? My point stands.

Your point was Freddy chooses smaller middle weights and doesn't fight the heavy weights and that's simply not true. My point was with Looch back he can now avoid the heavy weight and demolish the middle weight like this:

 

[LSCII]

Your point was Freddy chooses smaller middle weights and doesn't fight the heavy weights and that's simply not true. My point was with Looch back he can now avoid the heavy weight and demolish the middle weight like this:

My point wasn't that he isn't willing. It was that he's not a heavy but people here were fawning over it saying he was along with being a 20 goal scorer and a third line center. I love hyperbole as much as the next guy, but I prefer to be honest and realistic with my assessments. Freddy is far more suited to fight the middleweights of the world.

 

[Sheppy]

He doesn't have an inability to hit he just too often chooses not to.

I miss that version.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

My point wasn't that he isn't willing. It was that he's not a heavy but people here were fawning over it saying he was along with being a 20 goal scorer and a third line center. I love hyperbole as much as the next guy, but I prefer to be honest and realistic with my assessments. Freddy is far more suited to fight the middleweights of the world.

I guess in a way we are close to agreeing then. Trent can be a better player not having to take on that role of answering the heavy weights.

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Feddy now only makes HALF as much as the average NHL salary.

So, yeah, some people of this thread need to settle down and go touch some grass before summer is over.


*just guessing on the first part, but the second part stands.

 

[Over the volcano]

I miss that version.

That version was told to tone it down after he clowned Wilson who proceeded to lose his shit, run Carlo, get lectured by Bergeron and eat a lengthy suspension. This version plays solid defense and cools things down rather than looking to light them on fire.

 

[Over the volcano]

This "spot picker" went with two of the biggest guys in the league just last year in Zadorov 6'6" 250 and Bahl at 6'6" 230. He's willing to go with anyone and is more than a goon.

 

[Secord]

PO production by far his biggest failing. Benched 3 straight years and has
0 goals in 16 AHL\NHL PO games.

Maybe the coaching staffs who benched him in the playoffs didn't know what they were missing when watching playoff tape?

You can only have so many bottom 6 forwards not making a difference physically in the playoffs. Especially when they are 6-3 215, and your top six is highly-skilled but not overly physical itself like it has been the case for the Bruins for a while now. And I'm not talking fighting here, for those who like to obfuscate the issue - there is not a lot of fighting in the NHL anymore, and even less in the playoffs. I'm talking pressuring and wearing down the opponent in a playoff series, especially their Dmen. Having an active stick won't achieve that. Guy has tools to make a bottom six impact in the playoffs - say like Klim Kostin did for Edm this year - but with Frederic, we have to go along with "that will have to be the responsibility of others". How is that, multiplied (!), making the Bruins tough to play against in the playoffs? Would have thought that Monty, having worked two years with Berube following the Blues win over the Bs, would have absorbed a bit of that winning playoff recipe, the same one that helped the Bruins win in 2011, and foster a bit more of a heavy forecheck, notably from Frederic. But maybe it is like getting blood from a stone at this point. Still hoping that Lucic brings back some of that old/winning Bruins culture predicated on imposing your team's physical will, and that somehow (at least) Frederic buys in instead of leaving that side of the game to 17/others. Gotta love Looch, it will be great seeing him in black and gold again, but he's only one guy and there is only so much we can expect from him at this point of his career.

Fun fact - perhaps on a related note - Bruins now have 8 Canadians on their extended roster as per Hockey Reference, including 3 not likely to make it on opening night. Stanley Cup winning teams since 2011 have had 17 on average on their roster (Bruins had 20 in 2011 with 17 seeing playoff time, Vegas had 22 last year - Washington was the outlier with 12 in 2018). Might it be that competing in the grind that is the CHL season, league playoffs and Memorial Cup spurs more NHL playoff-type/ready players?

 

[UncleRico]

Your point was Freddy chooses smaller middle weights and doesn't fight the heavy weights and that's simply not true. My point was with Looch back he can now avoid the heavy weight and demolish the middle weight like this:

I mean it is kind of true, but at the same time frederic is ‘only’ 214 pounds. He’s weight wise a tier down from the heavy weights in the NHL. So it makes sense

 

[LSCII]

What's your agenda against the guy? It's not like he's making 5m a year.

No agenda at all. Just being honest about what he brings to the table.

 

[LSCII]

I mean it is kind of true, but at the same time frederic is ‘only’ 214 pounds. He’s weight wise a tier down from the heavy weights in the NHL. So it makes sense

It's hilarious to me that someone would offer up Tanev as proof Freddy takes on the heavies in the NHL when the dude averages like one fight a year and weighs 180 soaking wet. lol

 

[Over the volcano]

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[bearcountry17]

It's hilarious to me that someone would offer up Tanev as proof Freddy takes on the heavies in the NHL when the dude averages like one fight a year and weighs 180 soaking wet. lol

Pretty sure they called Tanev a middleweight in that very post.

 

[HustleB]

Not really. 58% were over 41% were under. Nothing weird about that. Yes, 86% were right around the number. Meaning Frederic got about what people were expecing. More thought a little less. Fewer thought a littler more.

What's weird is 85% saying this is about what he'll get, and then him getting that as a number, and someone saying "YWZER SWEENS CRUSHES IT!!"

It's like if I go to the car dearl and pay the sticker price and proclaiming myself a master negotiator. Fair deal all around. Not a crushable moment for anyone.

93.9% were within 300K or guessed it would be higher. Only 6.9% thought Don could have saved more then 300K. I guess you can keep spinning that if you like.

BTW I do appreciate your different perspectives here; sometimes we are too rosy, myself especially. You often open my eyes. I just disagree with you on this specific spin on this meaningless poll where idiots like me are allowed an equal opinion.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Below is every forward who scored 17 or 16 goals last year and their cap hits for this year. I removed defensemen. Freddy looks like a pretty good value to me. Frederic also had the lowest time on ice.

Also according to advanced stats Frederic is a stellar defensive forward.

Name	Age	Position	Games	Goals	Assists	Points	TOI	Cap Hit
Mark Stone	​ 31	RW	43	17	21	38	19:22	$9,500,000
Valeri Nichushkin	28	RW, LW	53	17	30	47	20:16	$6,125,000
Nick Bjugstad	30	C, RW	78	17	12	29	16:12	$2,100,000
Jordan Staal	34	C, LW	81	17	17	34	16:16	$2,900,000
Nicholas Paul	28	C, LW	80	17	15	32	16:09	$3,150,000
J.T. Compher	28	C, RW	82	17	35	52	20:32	$5,100,000
Trent Frederic	25	LW, RW	79	17	14	31	11:55	$2,300,000
Conor Garland	27	RW, LW	81	17	29	46	15:06	$4,950,000
Andrew Mangiapane	27	RW, LW	82	17	26	43	16:49	$5,800,000
Pierre Engvall	27	RW, LW	76	17	13	30	13:37	$3,000,000
Eetu Luostarinen	24	LW, C	82	17	26	43	15:59	$1,500,000
Lucas Raymond	21	RW, LW	74	17	28	45	17:22	$925,000
Mason McTavish	20	C, LW	80	17	26	43	15:22	$894,167
Kyle Palmieri	32	RW, LW	55	16	17	33	17:05	$5,000,000
Blake Wheeler	36	RW, C	72	16	39	55	17:02	$800,000
Taylor Hall	31	LW	61	16	20	36	15:55	$6,000,000
Sam Bennett	27	C	63	16	24	40	17:24	$4,425,000
Ryan O'Reilly	32	C	53	16	14	30	17:56	$4,500,000
Chandler Stephenson	29	C, LW	81	16	49	65	19:01	$2,750,000
William Carrier	28	LW	56	16	9	25	12:35	$1,400,000
Evander Kane	31	LW, RW	41	16	12	28	18:42	$5,125,000
Charlie Coyle	31	C, RW	82	16	29	45	16:59	$5,250,000
Ivan Barbashev	27	LW, C	82	16	29	45	16:45	$5,000,000
Evan Rodrigues	29	C, LW	69	16	23	39	17:51	$3,000,000
Michael Amadio	27	W, C,	67	16	11	27	12:12	$762,500
Brandon Tanev	31	LW, RW	82	16	19	35	14:13	$3,500,000
Ross Colton	26	LW, C	81	16	16	32	12:21	$4,000,000

I think it would be a better reflection of reality if we compared other forwards who scored 30 or 31 points and their salaries.

 

[Patdud]

I guess we need to really see him at 3C this year, itll be a big year for him to make a case to stick.

JVR-Frederic-Geekie?

Id love to see Merkulov break into the roster opposite Pasta on Zacha's wing. Marchy-Coyle-DeBrusk being the other line

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Maybe the coaching staffs who benched him in the playoffs didn't know what they were missing when watching playoff tape?

You can only have so many bottom 6 forwards not making a difference physically in the playoffs. Especially when they are 6-3 215, and your top six is highly-skilled but not overly physical itself like it has been the case for the Bruins for a while now. And I'm not talking fighting here, for those who like to obfuscate the issue - there is not a lot of fighting in the NHL anymore, and even less in the playoffs. I'm talking pressuring and wearing down the opponent in a playoff series, especially their Dmen. Having an active stick won't achieve that. Guy has tools to make a bottom six impact in the playoffs - say like Klim Kostin did for Edm this year - but with Frederic, we have to go along with "that will have to be the responsibility of others". How is that, multiplied (!), making the Bruins tough to play against in the playoffs? Would have thought that Monty, having worked two years with Berube following the Blues win over the Bs, would have absorbed a bit of that winning playoff recipe, the same one that helped the Bruins win in 2011, and foster a bit more of a heavy forecheck, notably from Frederic. But maybe it is like getting blood from a stone at this point. Still hoping that Lucic brings back some of that old/winning Bruins culture predicated on imposing your team's physical will, and that somehow (at least) Frederic buys in instead of leaving that side of the game to 17/others. Gotta love Looch, it will be great seeing him in black and gold again, but he's only one guy and there is only so much we can expect from him at this point of his career.

Fun fact - perhaps on a related note - Bruins now have 8 Canadians on their extended roster as per Hockey Reference, including 3 not likely to make it on opening night. Stanley Cup winning teams since 2011 have had 17 on average on their roster (Bruins had 20 in 2011 with 17 seeing playoff time, Vegas had 22 last year - Washington was the outlier with 12 in 2018). Might it be that competing in the grind that is the CHL season, league playoffs and Memorial Cup spurs more NHL playoff-type/ready players?

Great point.

Biggest flaw in managements decision making is this blind spot.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think it would be a better reflection of reality if we compared other forwards who scored 30 or 31 points and their salaries.

Not really. Goals are expensive.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Not really. Goals are expensive.

Not when they are under 20 for a season.

Seems like goals is the only real argument for Frederic supporters here.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Not when they are under 20 for a season.

Seems like goals is the only real argument for Frederic supporters here.

And his underlying defensive prowess which is readily dismissed because they’re STATS

 

[Sheppy]

And his underlying defensive prowess which is readily dismissed because they’re STATS

I'm curious to see what those numbers look like at the end of this season and not a record breaking season where the Bruins were an insane team +128 in the GF/GA department.

The 12 minutes of ice time he got last year might see closer to 14 this year. A little more responsibility.