Player Discussion Trent Frederic

[Over the volcano]

Not what I'm doing, that's for sure. Never said anything about the contract. I dig the contract, man.

Good, me too.

Now you don't have to call anyone names any more.

 

[Sheppy]

Good, me too.

Now you don't have to call anyone names any more.

And you don't have to be incredibly condescending when I'm legitimately just giving my opinion and why I sometimes get frustrated with Frederic.

Good? It's all good with me.

 

[Absurdity]

The biggest issue with Frederic is his lack of consistency. He doesnt have to score goals every game, but he needs to do what he excels at on a consistent basis. Hopefully Lucic can steer him in the right direction.

 

[BruinsJoe]

The biggest issue with Frederic is his lack of consistency. He doesnt have to score goals every game, but he needs to do what he excels at on a consistent basis. Hopefully Lucic can steer him in the right direction.

I'm with you on this, need to be more physical and go in front of the net, need to play big!

 

[Dr Quincy]

He was 1st on the "far less deep team" in 2021-22 at 1.38 GA/60. And we don't need to wait till April to see that.

And he was behind Tomas Nosek, Nick Foligno and AJ Greer this year in that stat. I agree with Sheppy's point. On a great defensive team, ok guys can look better than they are. I don't think he'll fall apart defensively, but I do think increased usage, on a team that doesn't look as good without a Selke winning #1 C on it...I would expect his numbers to take a hit. It will be an interesting thing either way.

 

[Kegs]

Below is every forward who scored 17 or 16 goals last year and their cap hits for this year. I removed defensemen. Freddy looks like a pretty good value to me. Frederic also had the lowest time on ice.

Also according to advanced stats Frederic is a stellar defensive forward.

Name	Age	Position	Games	Goals	Assists	Points	TOI	Cap Hit
Mark Stone	​ 31	RW	43	17	21	38	19:22	$9,500,000
Valeri Nichushkin	28	RW, LW	53	17	30	47	20:16	$6,125,000
Nick Bjugstad	30	C, RW	78	17	12	29	16:12	$2,100,000
Jordan Staal	34	C, LW	81	17	17	34	16:16	$2,900,000
Nicholas Paul	28	C, LW	80	17	15	32	16:09	$3,150,000
J.T. Compher	28	C, RW	82	17	35	52	20:32	$5,100,000
Trent Frederic	25	LW, RW	79	17	14	31	11:55	$2,300,000
Conor Garland	27	RW, LW	81	17	29	46	15:06	$4,950,000
Andrew Mangiapane	27	RW, LW	82	17	26	43	16:49	$5,800,000
Pierre Engvall	27	RW, LW	76	17	13	30	13:37	$3,000,000
Eetu Luostarinen	24	LW, C	82	17	26	43	15:59	$1,500,000
Lucas Raymond	21	RW, LW	74	17	28	45	17:22	$925,000
Mason McTavish	20	C, LW	80	17	26	43	15:22	$894,167
Kyle Palmieri	32	RW, LW	55	16	17	33	17:05	$5,000,000
Blake Wheeler	36	RW, C	72	16	39	55	17:02	$800,000
Taylor Hall	31	LW	61	16	20	36	15:55	$6,000,000
Sam Bennett	27	C	63	16	24	40	17:24	$4,425,000
Ryan O'Reilly	32	C	53	16	14	30	17:56	$4,500,000
Chandler Stephenson	29	C, LW	81	16	49	65	19:01	$2,750,000
William Carrier	28	LW	56	16	9	25	12:35	$1,400,000
Evander Kane	31	LW, RW	41	16	12	28	18:42	$5,125,000
Charlie Coyle	31	C, RW	82	16	29	45	16:59	$5,250,000
Ivan Barbashev	27	LW, C	82	16	29	45	16:45	$5,000,000
Evan Rodrigues	29	C, LW	69	16	23	39	17:51	$3,000,000
Michael Amadio	27	W, C,	67	16	11	27	12:12	$762,500
Brandon Tanev	31	LW, RW	82	16	19	35	14:13	$3,500,000
Ross Colton	26	LW, C	81	16	16	32	12:21	$4,000,000

I think he is grossly underrated around here.

 

[Over the volcano]

And he was behind Tomas Nosek, Nick Foligno and AJ Greer this year in that stat. I agree with Sheppy's point. On a great defensive team, ok guys can look better than they are. I don't think he'll fall apart defensively, but I do think increased usage, on a team that doesn't look as good without a Selke winning #1 C on it...I would expect his numbers to take a hit. It will be an interesting thing either way.

Nosek and Foligno were pretty locked tight defensively. Don't see how that's somehow damning of the stat or TFred. I'm not saying he's the best just that his defensive game is better than most.

Speaking of the guy who IS the best I'm not sure how Bergeron's game would Frederic up considering they played on different lines and he got more defensive zone draws. But whatever, let's get this season started!

 

[Dr Quincy]

Nosek and Foligno were pretty locked tight defensively. Don't see how that's somehow damning of the stat or TFred. I'm not saying he's the best just that his defensive game is better than most.

Speaking of the guy who IS the best I'm not sure how Bergeron's game would Frederic up considering they played on different lines and he got more defensive zone draws. But whatever, let's get this season started!

The Bergeron Effect isn't simply for guys playing on his line. It has an effect all the way down the lineup. He's going to get the tough match ups night in and night out. Having Bergeron take the tough draws, tough matchups, high pressure situations makes everyone's job easier. There won't be a Bergeron line this year, so that responsibility is going to be spread through out the lineup. It's not a slight on Trent Frederic to say that he benefitted last year by playing on a stacked team.

But yes I would expect that some players won't look as good on a less stacked team. It's hardly a revolutionary thought.

 

[Over the volcano]

The Bergeron Effect isn't simply for guys playing on his line. It has an effect all the way down the lineup. He's going to get the tough match ups night in and night out. Having Bergeron take the tough draws, tough matchups, high pressure situations makes everyone's job easier. There won't be a Bergeron line this year, so that responsibility is going to be spread through out the lineup. It's not a slight on Trent Frederic to say that he benefitted last year by playing on a stacked team.

But yes I would expect that some players won't look as good on a less stacked team. It's hardly a revolutionary thought.

But we're just comparing him to the rest of the team who also would have benefited from whatever " Bergeron effect" there was.

 

[LSCII]

Pretty sure they called Tanev a middleweight in that very post.

Again, Tanev isn’t even a fighter. He literally has about one tussle a year. Freddy dropping the gloves with a player like that is silly. What’s he really showing anyone? That he can beat up non fighters he outweighs by 35 lbs? That’s spot picking at its finest, no?

 

[HustleB]

Sure.

Which is why I'm curious to see what his underlying numbers will be on a far less deep team. Luckily, we will get the chance to see those come April.

I think it will be better than expected. I think growth will be obvious to honest fans even if some of the numbers regress. At the end of the day he might make me look foolish but I have liked his growth curve more then most of posters it seems.

 

[HustleB]

The biggest issue with Frederic is his lack of consistency. He doesnt have to score goals every game, but he needs to do what he excels at on a consistent basis. Hopefully Lucic can steer him in the right direction.

Sure but even Lucic had inconsistencies in this area. Sometimes he was the engine for the entire team and other times he wasn’t as physical or active for decent stretches.

Still plenty to teach Frederic and he always found away to pick it up when the games mattered more so I don’t disagree. I think we just have to remember that almost all power forwards have those lulls. I usually assume it’s just playing through injuries and fatigue.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I don't really understand why Freddy's fighting ability is such a sticky topic for so many.

Sure, he's not the best fighter in the league. But he's also not a bad fighter...at all. He holds his own and/or wins (sometimes decisively) all of the fights he does get in. Fighting the biggest guys, AKA players like Reeves who serve no purpose other than to fight, is rather unnecessary.

And I'm definitely not the biggest Frederic fan. His game leaves a lot to be desired, a lot of the time, IMO. He's a ghost in his fair share of games sadly but is a force in many others. It's hard to figure out exactly what fires him up and motivates him and what's going on during the time he just isn't involved.

Regardless though, I don't think fighting more Reaves-type players is the path. Especially in today's game, fighting those types of players serves really no purpose barring you don't have an equivalent guy like a Deslauriers to go up against him. Fred has a good shot, (at times) really effective board play and cycle game, and can play the game in a physically effective way without fighting. Focus on that.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

His game leaves a lot to be desired, a lot of the time, IMO

I really just don’t get this at all. He’s a third line wing. If he did what everyone seems to think he should he’d be Tom Wilson.

I don’t remember people shitting on Frederic all year - not a single meme of a ghost to be found. And the narrative on him now is so bizarre.

 

[Sheppy]

I really just don’t get this at all. He’s a third line wing. If he did what everyone seems to think he should he’d be Tom Wilson.

I don’t remember people shitting on Frederic all year - not a single meme of a ghost to be found. And the narrative on him now is so bizarre.

I think the playoffs left a sour taste in peoples mouths. Not saying he was the complete issue, but going 5 games with 0 off sensible contributions and looking completely out of place may have added to it.

I was fine with him during the regular season, but in round 1 to me, he looked like he’d rather be anywhere else than the ice.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think the playoffs left a sour taste in peoples mouths. Not saying he was the complete issue, but going 5 games with 0 off sensible contributions and looking completely out of place may have added to it.

I was fine with him during the regular season, but in round 1 to me, he looked like he’d rather be anywhere else than the ice.

I think people have a hard time with players who have a third line ceiling.

 

[Sheppy]

I think people have a hard time with players who have a third line ceiling.

To a degree.

I’m fine with 35-40 points from him at the end of the day. If he can do that while providing a physical presence, I’ll be pumped.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

To a degree.

I’m fine with 35-40 points from him at the end of the day. If he can do that while providing a physical presence, I’ll be pumped.

Right but that’s not third line production. A bit dated but I’m sure it’s not far off:

 

[Sheppy]

To me 35-40 points is good 3rd line production? I feel most 3rd line guys are in that range.

Especially with scoring increasing.

He was solid last year despite getting about 12 minutes of ice time again. I think he will be getting 13-14 this year and I don’t think 35-40 points is unrealistic.

 

[DominicT]

Have we moved on yet?

 

[DKH]

Again, Tanev isn’t even a fighter. He literally has about one tussle a year. Freddy dropping the gloves with a player like that is silly. What’s he really showing anyone? That he can beat up non fighters he outweighs by 35 lbs? That’s spot picking at its finest, no?

You have to stop listening 2-6 Felger & Mazz

He said exact same but had Freddy 25 lbs heavier - if it was a key punch error I apologize

Note: Mike Thomas who created Felger & Mazz and brought Adam Jones to WEEI is all about creating the Fox News model and trolling a specific gullible base

There is a reason why Fox has paid over a Billion dollars and climbing for making shit up

The negative Frederic comments here are running parallel to Felger & Mazz 2-6

Last summer it was Sweeney bashing 2-6 and Bruins would suck

Privately he acknowledges he’s screwing around with these takes but Bruins fans lick it up

 

[UncleRico]

I really just don’t get this at all. He’s a third line wing. If he did what everyone seems to think he should he’d be Tom Wilson.

I don’t remember people shitting on Frederic all year - not a single meme of a ghost to be found. And the narrative on him now is so bizarre.

It’s actually very simple. He played above expectation in his role during the regular season so no one was shitting on him due to mostly everyone being happy with his play.

Then the playoffs came around and he was non existent for a 2nd straight playoff run.

Have we moved on yet?

If the thread is bothering you then don’t open it.

 

[Blowfish]

Have we moved on yet?

In the works...

 

[DominicT]

In the works...

I dont mean trade I mean the discussions.

I think everyone's energy could be better spent elsewhere lol

 

[Over the volcano]

You have to stop listening 2-6 Felger & Mazz

He said exact same but had Freddy 25 lbs heavier - if it was a key punch error I apologize

Note: Mike Thomas who created Felger & Mazz and brought Adam Jones to WEEI is all about creating the Fox News model and trolling a specific gullible base

There is a reason why Fox has paid over a Billion dollars and climbing for making shit up

The negative Frederic comments here are running parallel to Felger & Mazz 2-6

Last summer it was Sweeney bashing 2-6 and Bruins would suck

Privately he acknowledges he’s screwing around with these takes but Bruins fans lick it up

Yup.

I dont mean trade I mean the discussions.

I think everyone's energy could be better spent elsewhere lol

True for this whole board