Player Discussion Trent Frederic
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Sheppy
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And you don't have to be incredibly condescending when I'm legitimately just giving my opinion and why I sometimes get frustrated with Frederic.
Good? It's all good with me.
Absurdity
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The biggest issue with Frederic is his lack of consistency. He doesnt have to score goals every game, but he needs to do what he excels at on a consistent basis. Hopefully Lucic can steer him in the right direction.
I'm with you on this, need to be more physical and go in front of the net, need to play big!
Dr Quincy
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And he was behind Tomas Nosek, Nick Foligno and AJ Greer this year in that stat. I agree with Sheppy's point. On a great defensive team, ok guys can look better than they are. I don't think he'll fall apart defensively, but I do think increased usage, on a team that doesn't look as good without a Selke winning #1 C on it...I would expect his numbers to take a hit. It will be an interesting thing either way.
Kegs
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I think he is grossly underrated around here.
Over the volcano
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Nosek and Foligno were pretty locked tight defensively. Don't see how that's somehow damning of the stat or TFred. I'm not saying he's the best just that his defensive game is better than most.
Speaking of the guy who IS the best I'm not sure how Bergeron's game would Frederic up considering they played on different lines and he got more defensive zone draws. But whatever, let's get this season started!
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Dr Quincy
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The Bergeron Effect isn't simply for guys playing on his line. It has an effect all the way down the lineup. He's going to get the tough match ups night in and night out. Having Bergeron take the tough draws, tough matchups, high pressure situations makes everyone's job easier. There won't be a Bergeron line this year, so that responsibility is going to be spread through out the lineup. It's not a slight on Trent Frederic to say that he benefitted last year by playing on a stacked team.
But yes I would expect that some players won't look as good on a less stacked team. It's hardly a revolutionary thought.
Over the volcano
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But we're just comparing him to the rest of the team who also would have benefited from whatever " Bergeron effect" there was.
LSCII
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Again, Tanev isn’t even a fighter. He literally has about one tussle a year. Freddy dropping the gloves with a player like that is silly. What’s he really showing anyone? That he can beat up non fighters he outweighs by 35 lbs? That’s spot picking at its finest, no?
HustleB
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I think it will be better than expected. I think growth will be obvious to honest fans even if some of the numbers regress. At the end of the day he might make me look foolish but I have liked his growth curve more then most of posters it seems.
HustleB
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Sure but even Lucic had inconsistencies in this area. Sometimes he was the engine for the entire team and other times he wasn’t as physical or active for decent stretches.
Still plenty to teach Frederic and he always found away to pick it up when the games mattered more so I don’t disagree. I think we just have to remember that almost all power forwards have those lulls. I usually assume it’s just playing through injuries and fatigue.
CharasLazyWrister
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I don't really understand why Freddy's fighting ability is such a sticky topic for so many.
Sure, he's not the best fighter in the league. But he's also not a bad fighter...at all. He holds his own and/or wins (sometimes decisively) all of the fights he does get in. Fighting the biggest guys, AKA players like Reeves who serve no purpose other than to fight, is rather unnecessary.
And I'm definitely not the biggest Frederic fan. His game leaves a lot to be desired, a lot of the time, IMO. He's a ghost in his fair share of games sadly but is a force in many others. It's hard to figure out exactly what fires him up and motivates him and what's going on during the time he just isn't involved.
Regardless though, I don't think fighting more Reaves-type players is the path. Especially in today's game, fighting those types of players serves really no purpose barring you don't have an equivalent guy like a Deslauriers to go up against him. Fred has a good shot, (at times) really effective board play and cycle game, and can play the game in a physically effective way without fighting. Focus on that.
Sure, he's not the best fighter in the league. But he's also not a bad fighter...at all. He holds his own and/or wins (sometimes decisively) all of the fights he does get in. Fighting the biggest guys, AKA players like Reeves who serve no purpose other than to fight, is rather unnecessary.
And I'm definitely not the biggest Frederic fan. His game leaves a lot to be desired, a lot of the time, IMO. He's a ghost in his fair share of games sadly but is a force in many others. It's hard to figure out exactly what fires him up and motivates him and what's going on during the time he just isn't involved.
Regardless though, I don't think fighting more Reaves-type players is the path. Especially in today's game, fighting those types of players serves really no purpose barring you don't have an equivalent guy like a Deslauriers to go up against him. Fred has a good shot, (at times) really effective board play and cycle game, and can play the game in a physically effective way without fighting. Focus on that.
MarchysNoseKnows
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I really just don’t get this at all. He’s a third line wing. If he did what everyone seems to think he should he’d be Tom Wilson.
I don’t remember people shitting on Frederic all year - not a single meme of a ghost to be found. And the narrative on him now is so bizarre.
Sheppy
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I think the playoffs left a sour taste in peoples mouths. Not saying he was the complete issue, but going 5 games with 0 off sensible contributions and looking completely out of place may have added to it.
I was fine with him during the regular season, but in round 1 to me, he looked like he’d rather be anywhere else than the ice.
MarchysNoseKnows
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I think people have a hard time with players who have a third line ceiling.
Sheppy
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To a degree.
I’m fine with 35-40 points from him at the end of the day. If he can do that while providing a physical presence, I’ll be pumped.
MarchysNoseKnows
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Sheppy
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To me 35-40 points is good 3rd line production? I feel most 3rd line guys are in that range.
Especially with scoring increasing.
He was solid last year despite getting about 12 minutes of ice time again. I think he will be getting 13-14 this year and I don’t think 35-40 points is unrealistic.
Especially with scoring increasing.
He was solid last year despite getting about 12 minutes of ice time again. I think he will be getting 13-14 this year and I don’t think 35-40 points is unrealistic.
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DominicT
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DKH
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You have to stop listening 2-6 Felger & Mazz
He said exact same but had Freddy 25 lbs heavier - if it was a key punch error I apologize
Note: Mike Thomas who created Felger & Mazz and brought Adam Jones to WEEI is all about creating the Fox News model and trolling a specific gullible base
There is a reason why Fox has paid over a Billion dollars and climbing for making shit up
The negative Frederic comments here are running parallel to Felger & Mazz 2-6
Last summer it was Sweeney bashing 2-6 and Bruins would suck
Privately he acknowledges he’s screwing around with these takes but Bruins fans lick it up
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UncleRico
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It’s actually very simple. He played above expectation in his role during the regular season so no one was shitting on him due to mostly everyone being happy with his play.
Then the playoffs came around and he was non existent for a 2nd straight playoff run.
If the thread is bothering you then don’t open it.
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DominicT
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I dont mean trade I mean the discussions.
I think everyone's energy could be better spent elsewhere lol
Over the volcano
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