Player Discussion Trent Frederic

[Over the volcano]

And his underlying defensive prowess which is readily dismissed because they’re STATS

And his ability to crush middleweights and hang with the big boys when the gloves need to come off which is dismissed as "spot picking"

I'm curious to see what those numbers look like at the end of this season and not a record breaking season where the Bruins were an insane team +128 in the GF/GA department.

Well in the GA department - which is what we're talking about when it comes to defense he was 4th on the club

 

[Sheppy]

And his ability to crush middleweights and hang with the big boys when the gloves need to come off which is dismissed as "spot picking"


Well in the GA department - which is what we're talking about when it comes to defense he was 4th on the club.

Sure.

Which is why I'm curious to see what his underlying numbers will be on a far less deep team. Luckily, we will get the chance to see those come April.

 

[Over the volcano]

Sure.

Which is why I'm curious to see what his underlying numbers will be on a far less deep team. Luckily, we will get the chance to see those come April.

He was 1st on the "far less deep team" in 2021-22 at 1.38 GA/60. And we don't need to wait till April to see that.

 

[Sheppy]

He was 1st on the "far less deep team" in 2021-22 at 1.38 GA/60

Again, is that the only "underlying number" we're using?

I'm curious to see. This is a big year for Frederic, the first season he was playing more of a physical agitating role. Last year he did less of that and produced at a higher rate, and then playoffs came and he looked completely lost out there. You'd see a few games where he looked very good and a few games where he would look like he's on his cellphone out there.

Like I said. No issue with Frederic coming back, no issue with the price tag. I just want to see him discover the type of player and what type of role he will follow through with.

 

[Over the volcano]

Again, is that the only "underlying number" we're using?

I'm curious to see. This is a big year for Frederic, the first season he was playing more of a physical agitating role. Last year he did less of that and produced at a higher rate, and then playoffs came and he looked completely lost out there. You'd see a few games where he looked very good and a few games where he would look like he's on his cellphone out there.

Like I said. No issue with Frederic coming back, no issue with the price tag. I just want to see him discover the type of player and what type of role he will follow through with.

I think it's a pure a measure as there is. But what stats do you think best track defensive play? Name em and we can look them up.

Or we can brush em all off and say "meh, he's got to decide who he wants to be and convince me and I'll decide what I think about him by whatever my gut tells me after eating a few hot dogs"

 

[Sheppy]

What # do you want to use to measure defensive play? Name it and we'll look it up.

Or we can brush em all off and say "meh, he's got to decide who he wants to be and convince me and I'll decide what I think about him by whatever my gut tells me after eating a few hot dogs"

What are you talking about? Why are you being a dickhead?

I'm literally not saying anything bad about him, other than sometimes he looks completely lost.

I'm saying I want to see how he plays this season in a more responsible role when he's relied on more. I said the number he got was good and I'm fine with him being back on the Bruins. Do you want me to immediately buy a jersey?

 

[Over the volcano]

What are you talking about? Why are you being a dickhead?

You said you want him to discover what kind of player he is - I'm offering #'s that show his defensive game. You can offer up some that you think are better measures or brush off the defensive stats all together and go by your gut. That's all.

 

[Over the volcano]

...I'm literally not saying anything bad about him, other than sometimes he looks completely lost.

I'm saying I want to see how he plays this season in a more responsible role when he's relied on more. I said the number he got was good and I'm fine with him being back on the Bruins. Do you want me to immediately buy a jersey?

We'll have to wait and see if they rely on him more - they've been reluctant to so far. But that's on them not him IMO.

 

[Sheppy]

You said you want him to discover what kind of player he is - I'm offering #'s that show his defensive game. You can offer up some that you think are better measures or brush off the defensive stats all together and go by your gut. That's all.

How many goals for or against were of direct result of Trent Frederic himself, and not his line mates? Charlie Coyle could have potentially done 95% of the work and Frederic comes out looking more superior with his numbers. Not saying that's the case, but it's possible.

Thoughts on his playoff play in the last two seasons? - This is more of an eye test assessement.

 

[Patdud]

How many goals for or against were of direct result of Trent Frederic himself, and not his line mates? Charlie Coyle could have potentially done 95% of the work and Frederic comes out looking more superior with his numbers. Not saying that's the case, but it's possible.
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Advanced stats will literally do this work for you, no dissection needed.

 

[Sheppy]

Advanced stats will literally do this work for you, no dissection needed.

Which ones? He said he'd happily look them up.

Would the same ones back up my thoughts on him looking completely lost in the playoffs?

 

[Patdud]

Which ones? He said he'd happily look them up.

Would the same ones back up my thoughts on him looking completely lost in the playoffs?

I cant read your thoughts.

Jfreshs cards (and Im sure others) call out QOC (Competition) and QOT (Teammates) and other starts are generally weighted based on those numbers. most probably have it but the label isnt as clear IMO

 

[Sheppy]

I cant read your thoughts.

Jfreshs cards (and Im sure others) call out QOC (Competition) and QOT (Teammates) and other starts are generally weighted based on those numbers. most probably have it but the label isnt as clear IMO

I thought he looked lost and didn't contribute to anything.

Edit: I see I have to pay for JFresh. That's a no from me.

 

[goldnblack]

Good news is we're such a shallow forward group now that it's hard to bench him!

 

[Over the volcano]

How many goals for or against were of direct result of Trent Frederic himself, and not his line mates? Charlie Coyle could have potentially done 95% of the work and Frederic comes out looking more superior with his numbers. Not saying that's the case, but it's possible.

Thoughts on his playoff play in the last two seasons? - This is more of an eye test assessement.

So to counter real #'s over two whole seasons you're going to throw out speculative questions and speculative answers to those that even you "aren't saying is the case" I get it now.

My big takeaway from his play over the last two playoffs is that he looked shakey last year and they made a mistake taking him out of the line up this year.

 

[Sheppy]

So to counter real #'s over two whole seasons you're going to throw out speculative questions and speculative answers to those that even you "aren't saying is the case" I get it now.

My big takeaway from his play over the last two playoffs is that he looked shakey last year and they made a mistake taking him out of the line up this year.

He played 5 games this year, had 0 points, -2, wasn't throwing the body and got choked by Ryan Lomberg.

I don't think taking Trent Frederic out of the lineup was a "mistake" - He was given time and didn't muster up a single thing. He was glaringly bad. I don't need to dive into the advanced stats to see that he was absolutely lost out there.

 

[Sheppy]

My frustration with Frederic pretty much reached a boiling point in the post season because that's essentially your only forward playing in your top 9 that's capable of throwing his weight around in a time it was desperately needed, and, well, he didn't. Thus, he got scratched and he was the only one to blame for that.

 

[Over the volcano]

He played 5 games this year, had 0 points, -2, wasn't throwing the body and got choked by Ryan Lomberg.

I don't think taking Trent Frederic out of the lineup was a "mistake" - He was given time and didn't muster up a single thing. He was glaringly bad. I don't need to dive into the advanced stats to see that he was absolutely lost out there.

Oh so now you want to talk stats except when you don't need them to claim shitty things about him

Offensively he wasn't there in the playoffs and I'm not surprised as he's been groomed for "responsibility" gave him 10 min a night, bounced him around and out and back in. I would be surprised if he struggled offensively alongside his usual 3rd line last year. They were a great compliment to each other.

Defensively he was pretty solid. 2 goals against at 5v5 was good to put him in a 4 way tie for best on the team, 6th if we're going GA/60. Through the first 5 games he was only on the ice for 1 goal against 5v5, they were up 3-1 in the series, and they scratched him because they wanted to play around with things... woof.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I thought he looked lost and didn't contribute to anything.

Edit: I see I have to pay for JFresh. That's a no from me.

 

[Sheppy]

Oh so now you want to talk stats except when you don't need them to claim shitty things about him

Offensively he wasn't there in the playoffs and I'm not surprised as he's been groomed for "responsibility" gave him 10 min a night, bounced him around and out and back in. I would be surprised if he struggled offensively alongside his usual 3rd line last year. They were a great compliment to each other.

Defensively he was pretty solid. 2 goals against at 5v5 was good to put him in a 4 way tie for best on the team, 6th if we're going GA/60.

Hahahaha, by saying he scored 0 goals that's me "Wanting to talk stats"? - Man, you're coming across as a complete dick here.

I'm saying he was bad in the post season and didn't do his job. He provided zero offense, didn't thow his weight around and seemed lost. If you want to twist that into "well, he didn't score or provide any offense, but hey, he only had 2 goals against him" - That's fine.

I think he was bad in the playoffs, you think he didn't deserve to be scratched. I'll disagree with that. Trent Frederic wasn't a difference maker in the playoffs that caused the Bruins to lose that series.

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Is that for the post season?

 

[Over the volcano]

Is that for the post season?

That's the condition as to whether you will believe it or not.

 

[Sheppy]

That's the condition as to whether you will believe it or not.

I mean, yeah, that's what I'm talking about here.

I said he was glaringly bad during the post season, not the regular season. He was fine in the regular season. I said I was happy with him coming back and that I'm fine with the contract. What do you want me to say here?

He left a lot to be desired come playoff time. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks so.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

I wonder if we are the only board who could yell at eachother for paying a 3rd liner 2M

Love the passion and relentless takes on this forum

 

[Over the volcano]

I wonder if we are the only board who could yell at eachother for paying a 3rd liner 2M

Love the passion and relentless takes on this forum

We just cant accept nice things.

 

[Sheppy]

I wonder if we are the only board who could yell at eachother for paying a 3rd liner 2M

Love the passion and relentless takes on this forum

Not what I'm doing, that's for sure. Never said anything about the contract. I dig the contract, man.