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Freddy is awarded (approximately)?

  • $1.5

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • $2

    Votes: 51 52.0%

  • $2.5

    Votes: 34 34.7%

  • $3

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • $3.5

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Total voters
    98
  • Poll closed .
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Kegs said:
That’s a pretty harsh assessment. I like freddy
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That's the thing. My critique on Freddy isn't specific to him. It's specific to the role he plays. I generally dislike the idea of overpaying for bottom of the roster types. That's how you get yourself into cap jail. Which we saw when they had to dump Hall for cap relief because Sweeney overpaid Forbort, Reilly, etc the year before. Seeing useful players like Bertuzzi leave and take a short term low dollar deal elsewhere was another example of why you don't pay those end of the roster players more than they're worth.

Over the volcano said:
No idea how he calculates that stuff but the defensive #'s are off the charts. Exactly the kind of thing you like to see from a 3rd liner
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And that's just more proof why advance stats are silly. Because if you watched him play, there's no shot in hell you'd say he's a defensive savant like the stats they're using do. It's like a few years back when advanced stats said Loui Eriksson was one of the best players in the entire league, when in reality he was nowhere close to even being one of the best players on the Bruins roster let alone the league.
 
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LSCII said:
And that's just more proof why advance stats are silly. Because if you watched him play, there's no shot in hell you'd say he's a defensive savant like the stats they're using do. It's like a few years back when advanced stats said Loui Eriksson was one of the best players in the entire league, when in reality he was nowhere close to even being one of the best players on the Bruins roster let alone the league.
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I get the idea of discrediting stats that don't fit an argument.

I do think his defensive game is ++. It's in his DNA and development going all the way back to his role in the NTDP teams. In Boston I've seen him hesitating on jumping some offensive chances because of it IMO.

I've been looking for an even strength goal against/60 stat to measure him by and can't find one out there. Let me know if that exists somewhere
 
Over the volcano said:
I get the idea of discrediting stats that don't fit an argument.

I do think his defensive game is ++ and see him missing some offense because of it when watching him live. I've been looking for an even strength goal against/60 stat to measure him by and can't find one out there.
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Nah, you think this is personal and it's not. I discredit advanced stats for any player because I think most folks use them incorrectly, simply to justify a position they've taken, and disregard the context. Nothing specific to Freddy and everything to do with the poster.
 
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LSCII said:
Nah, you think this is personal and it's not. I discredit advanced stats for any player because I think most folks use them incorrectly, simply to justify a position they've taken, and disregard the context. Nothing specific to Freddy and everything to do with the poster.
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Sure
 
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LSCII said:
That's the thing. My critique on Freddy isn't specific to him. It's specific to the role he plays. I generally dislike the idea of overpaying for bottom of the roster types. That's how you get yourself into cap jail. Which we saw when they had to dump Hall for cap relief because Sweeney overpaid Forbort, Reilly, etc the year before. Seeing useful players like Bertuzzi leave and take a short term low dollar deal elsewhere was another example of why you don't pay those end of the roster players more than they're worth.


And that's just more proof why advance stats are silly. Because if you watched him play, there's no shot in hell you'd say he's a defensive savant like the stats they're using do. It's like a few years back when advanced stats said Loui Eriksson was one of the best players in the entire league, when in reality he was nowhere close to even being one of the best players on the Bruins roster let alone the league.
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Do you honestly think that 2.3 mil for 2 years is going to cause cap issues for them? even if you replace him at league min, 1.5 mil isnt enough to retain a guy like Bert or Hall.
 
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LSCII said:
I generally dislike the idea of overpaying for bottom of the roster types. That's how you get yourself into cap jail. Which we saw when they had to dump Hall for cap relief because Sweeney overpaid Forbort, Reilly, etc the year before. Seeing useful players like Bertuzzi leave and take a short term low dollar deal elsewhere was another example of why you don't pay those end of the roster players more than they're worth.
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I 100% agree with you on this, and unfortunately Sweeney has at times spent too much on bottom 6/bottom pairing guys. No need to re-hash the list. That said, I think Frederic is different at this stage of things. He's 24 and has some potential upside. He's improved as an overall player each year. Nothing earth-shattering, but steady. Two years at this rate is good investment in my view, because they can bury nearly half should it come to that, and are off the hook relatively quickly if he doesn't show any more growth. If he does become a solid, established 3rd line/second line tweener like Coyle (I think he stands a chance), they can pay him accordingly in term and dollars. If not, it's not an issue to cut bait at the end of two years.
 
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Over the volcano said:
I get the idea of discrediting stats that don't fit an argument.

I do think his defensive game is ++. It's in his DNA and development going all the way back to his role in the NTDP teams. In Boston I've seen him hesitating on jumping some offensive chances because of it IMO.

I've been looking for an even strength goal against/60 stat to measure him by and can't find one out there. Let me know if that exists somewhere
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His GA/60 was 5th best on the team behind Bergeron, Marchand, Nosek and Foligno. Natural Stat Trick .com

Fwiw I think the numbers reinforce the eye test on this one. Frederic has an excellent stick and disrupts a lot of the other team’s offense with it. He was that line‘s best backchecker and had a few beauties like when he caught MacKinnon a couple times in the Avs game at home, and he’s excellent positionally, often rotating into the center’s role because he’s the first back to the Dzone.

He earned those strong defensive numbers IMO and deserves a bigger role on the PK next year.
 
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Dr Quincy said:
Yup. Signing Patrick Brown, trading away Taylor Hall for Ian Mitchell, and re-signing his own RFA at a price more than 58% of fans in this poll predicted totally equals crushing it!

2022-23 Regular Season Champs
2023- Offseason Champs
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It’s like no matter what moves they made they should be considered master tacticians because they managed to get under the cap.

- James van Riemsdyk is in the top 6
- The projected 3rd line is Lauko-Geekie-Frederic
- Their best center on the team is Pavel Zacha
- The bottom pair is Derek Forbort and Kevin Shattenkirk
- Matt Grzcelyk is in the top 4

I don’t understand anyone praising the results of this offseason.
 
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Below is every forward who scored 17 or 16 goals last year and their cap hits for this year. I removed defensemen. Freddy looks like a pretty good value to me. Frederic also had the lowest time on ice.

Also according to advanced stats Frederic is a stellar defensive forward.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Name[/TD]
[TD]Age[/TD]
[TD]Position[/TD]
[TD]Games[/TD]
[TD]Goals[/TD]
[TD]Assists[/TD]
[TD]Points[/TD]
[TD]TOI[/TD]
[TD]Cap Hit[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mark Stone[/TD]

[TD]
​
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]31[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE][/TD]

[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD]19:22[/TD]
[TD]$9,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Valeri Nichushkin[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]20:16[/TD]
[TD]$6,125,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nick Bjugstad[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]C, RW[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]16:12[/TD]
[TD]$2,100,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jordan Staal[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]16:16[/TD]
[TD]$2,900,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nicholas Paul[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]16:09[/TD]
[TD]$3,150,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J.T. Compher[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]C, RW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]52[/TD]
[TD]20:32[/TD]
[TD]$5,100,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trent Frederic[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]LW, RW[/TD]
[TD]79[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]11:55[/TD]
[TD]$2,300,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Conor Garland[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]15:06[/TD]
[TD]$4,950,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Andrew Mangiapane[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]16:49[/TD]
[TD]$5,800,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pierre Engvall[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]13:37[/TD]
[TD]$3,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eetu Luostarinen[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]LW, C[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]15:59[/TD]
[TD]$1,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lucas Raymond[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]17:22[/TD]
[TD]$925,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mason McTavish[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]15:22[/TD]
[TD]$894,167[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kyle Palmieri[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]55[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]17:05[/TD]
[TD]$5,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Blake Wheeler[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]RW, C[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]55[/TD]
[TD]17:02[/TD]
[TD]$800,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Taylor Hall[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]61[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]15:55[/TD]
[TD]$6,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sam Bennett[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]17:24[/TD]
[TD]$4,425,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ryan O'Reilly[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]17:56[/TD]
[TD]$4,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chandler Stephenson[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
[TD]19:01[/TD]
[TD]$2,750,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]William Carrier[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]12:35[/TD]
[TD]$1,400,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evander Kane[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]LW, RW[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]18:42[/TD]
[TD]$5,125,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Charlie Coyle[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]C, RW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]16:59[/TD]
[TD]$5,250,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ivan Barbashev[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]LW, C[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]16:45[/TD]
[TD]$5,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evan Rodrigues[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]17:51[/TD]
[TD]$3,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Amadio[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]W, C,[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]12:12[/TD]
[TD]$762,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brandon Tanev[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]LW, RW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]14:13[/TD]
[TD]$3,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ross Colton[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]LW, C[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]12:21[/TD]
[TD]$4,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
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I’m not much of a Freddy guy but I have no issue with the number.

I do want to see him continue to improve and show that last year wasn’t just the result of playing on a record setting team. I think the teams going to lean on him more this year than in years past so it’s time to show why you got the doe Freddy.
 
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NDiesel said:
Do you honestly think that 2.3 mil for 2 years is going to cause cap issues for them? even if you replace him at league min, 1.5 mil isnt enough to retain a guy like Bert or Hall.
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In a one off scenario, no. In a scenario where they consistently overpay the bottom of the roster types, yes. As we've already seen this past off season. It's exactly why good players left and were moved for poor returns and replaced with lesser players.
 
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LSCII said:
In a one off scenario, no. In a scenario where they consistently overpay the bottom of the roster types, yes. As we've already seen this past off season. It's exactly why good players left and were moved for poor returns and replaced with lesser players.
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Agreed.

And if Frederic reverts back to his numbers pre-last season, this contract will be one that is frequently referenced as a roadblock.

I hope he is able to continue his progress and replicate his success from last season somewhat. It's going to be difficult, but he's grown a lot as player. Can he thrive as the best player on his line?
 
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LSCII said:
Nah, you think this is personal and it's not. I discredit advanced stats for any player because I think most folks use them incorrectly, simply to justify a position they've taken, and disregard the context. Nothing specific to Freddy and everything to do with the poster.
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Since you are so fed up with people misinterpreting what those JFresh player cards are saying, can you in your own words explain what information that Trent Frederic player card is trying to convey?
 
LSCII said:
In a one off scenario, no. In a scenario where they consistently overpay the bottom of the roster types, yes. As we've already seen this past off season. It's exactly why good players left and were moved for poor returns and replaced with lesser players.
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Fair enough...I think (hope) Frederic is different than a Reilly or Forbort signing since he still has some upside, while those two were already developed into what they were at that point and a league min vet probably brings what they could have.
 
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Mr. Make-Believe said:
Agreed.

And if Frederic reverts back to his numbers pre-last season, this contract will be one that is frequently referenced as a roadblock.

I hope he is able to continue his progress and replicate his success from last season somewhat. It's going to be difficult, but he's grown a lot as player. Can he thrive as the best player on his line?
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You and me both.
 
Fenian24 said:
Below is every forward who scored 17 or 16 goals last year and their cap hits for this year. I removed defensemen. Freddy looks like a pretty good value to me. Frederic also had the lowest time on ice.

Also according to advanced stats Frederic is a stellar defensive forward.

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]Name[/TD]
[TD]Age[/TD]
[TD]Position[/TD]
[TD]Games[/TD]
[TD]Goals[/TD]
[TD]Assists[/TD]
[TD]Points[/TD]
[TD]TOI[/TD]
[TD]Cap Hit[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mark Stone[/TD]

[TD]
​
[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]31[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE][/TD]

[TD]RW[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]38[/TD]
[TD]19:22[/TD]
[TD]$9,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Valeri Nichushkin[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]20:16[/TD]
[TD]$6,125,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nick Bjugstad[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]C, RW[/TD]
[TD]78[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]16:12[/TD]
[TD]$2,100,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jordan Staal[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]16:16[/TD]
[TD]$2,900,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Nicholas Paul[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]15[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]16:09[/TD]
[TD]$3,150,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]J.T. Compher[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]C, RW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]52[/TD]
[TD]20:32[/TD]
[TD]$5,100,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Trent Frederic[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]LW, RW[/TD]
[TD]79[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]11:55[/TD]
[TD]$2,300,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Conor Garland[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]46[/TD]
[TD]15:06[/TD]
[TD]$4,950,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Andrew Mangiapane[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]16:49[/TD]
[TD]$5,800,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pierre Engvall[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]76[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]13[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]13:37[/TD]
[TD]$3,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Eetu Luostarinen[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]LW, C[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]15:59[/TD]
[TD]$1,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lucas Raymond[/TD]
[TD]21[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]17:22[/TD]
[TD]$925,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mason McTavish[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]15:22[/TD]
[TD]$894,167[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Kyle Palmieri[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]RW, LW[/TD]
[TD]55[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]17[/TD]
[TD]33[/TD]
[TD]17:05[/TD]
[TD]$5,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Blake Wheeler[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]RW, C[/TD]
[TD]72[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]55[/TD]
[TD]17:02[/TD]
[TD]$800,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Taylor Hall[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]61[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]15:55[/TD]
[TD]$6,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sam Bennett[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]63[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]24[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]17:24[/TD]
[TD]$4,425,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ryan O'Reilly[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]C[/TD]
[TD]53[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]14[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]17:56[/TD]
[TD]$4,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Chandler Stephenson[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
[TD]19:01[/TD]
[TD]$2,750,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]William Carrier[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]LW[/TD]
[TD]56[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]12:35[/TD]
[TD]$1,400,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evander Kane[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]LW, RW[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]12[/TD]
[TD]28[/TD]
[TD]18:42[/TD]
[TD]$5,125,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Charlie Coyle[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]C, RW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]16:59[/TD]
[TD]$5,250,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ivan Barbashev[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]LW, C[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]16:45[/TD]
[TD]$5,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Evan Rodrigues[/TD]
[TD]29[/TD]
[TD]C, LW[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[TD]17:51[/TD]
[TD]$3,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Michael Amadio[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]W, C,[/TD]
[TD]67[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]11[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
[TD]12:12[/TD]
[TD]$762,500[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Brandon Tanev[/TD]
[TD]31[/TD]
[TD]LW, RW[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]35[/TD]
[TD]14:13[/TD]
[TD]$3,500,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ross Colton[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]LW, C[/TD]
[TD]81[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]16[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[TD]12:21[/TD]
[TD]$4,000,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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This would only be useful if you had it normalized to people's salaries that had only one 17ish goal season. Including players like Stone or O'Reilly for example skews it because those guys consistently have scored over 20 goals for most of their careers so by default they naturally have larger salaries than a one time 17 goal scorer.
 
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Since you are so fed up with people misinterpreting what those JFresh player cards are saying, can you in your own words explain what information that Trent Frederic player card is trying to convey?
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Did you find yourself watching Freddy's game last year and remarking how tremendous he was defensively? Honest question. Would love to hear your answer. It's a yes or a no though. Nuance and grasping at straws to justify it are nothing but extraneous attempts to make the card fit the narrative. So yes or no, were you thinking to yourself during games "what a defensive stalwart this dude is"? Was he one of the guys that had to be on the ice at the end of the game? Was his defensive game so good that he was an anchor on the PK?

If so, you saw something in him nobody else did, including the coaching staff. If you saw otherwise like everyone else that watched the actual games, the card is pushing a narrative that is simply not accurate or representative of his overall defensive contributions.

sarge88 said:
Swayman got a few hundred thousand less than I expected and Freddy got a few more.

Evens out.
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And that's a fair take. I personally would have thought the reverse should have happened but it is what it is.
 
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