GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[ULF_55]

As funny as this sounds, on paper they actually did have a powerhouse. For some reason it just didn't work out on the ice

Look at the amount of interest on their players and what they are getting traded for.

That powerhouse team won a playoffs round once?
Of course, ownership hands on interference likely greater there.
Not being able to fire Albertan coach because Alberta ...

 

[OVO16]

That powerhouse team won a playoffs round once?
Of course, ownership hands on interference likely greater there.
Not being able to fire Albertan coach because Alberta ...

Thats why i said on paper they were a powerhouse but on the ice it clearly didn't work out

 

[Kiwi]

I hope you are correct, but I suspect there are going to be teams lining up for goalies who people think were blocked by true #1's.

If we are sitting here listing off 4-6 goaltenders to become the Leafs tandem starters, that's perhaps an indicator that greater amount in the the supply / demand ratio is demand not supply.

Ulmark and Saros on the trade market
Stolars, Brossoit and Talbot in UFA

I think every team has 2 goaltenders to except about 2 or 3 teams to

Buyers market, which makes us chasing Markstrom even more idiotic

 

[ULF_55]

There's only three other goalies on the market that would be in the Markstrom catagory, (starter, making good money even at 4m with retention.) The only difference is Markstrom had term on his contract.

Those would be Saros/Ullmark and Gibson (long shot to actually trade for him).

As much as previous GM's have been all-in at the deadline, we might be seeing all in before free agency even starts.

Could free up Friday night with no 1st. round picks to view ...

 

[Gallagbi]

even if he was playing ib a 3rd pair, he still playing over 16 min at 5v5 be the most productive dmen at 5v5 to create thing offensively from d a part of the game leafs having big issues.

Averaged 13:07 in ES/TOI playoffs for them last year. That's less than any Leafs D this year including Brodie. Would have slotted him between Gio and Lilj the playoff prior.

Again, this is a bottom pair D who couldn't take a regular shift and had to be used as purely a sheltered offensive specialist. That's incredibly hard to accomodate, and if we wanted to go that route Gus would have made much more sense.

Kling didn't come for a mill, he was getting middle pair money to play less than a regular shift

 

[Avilaj07]

Are you sure Ullmark wasn't applying for the job with his recent comments?

Toronto is literally on his no trade list

 

[OVO16]

With Ottawa on his no-trade list and the whole extension fiaasco involved too, Ottawa seems unlikely now

I think Ullmark goes to either Carolina or Detroit?

Colorado is another team I can see fit for Ullmark. A trade centered around Ross Colton? Bruins are looking for centers no?

 

[Dreakmur]

Matthews was an obvious 1st overall. That's not good drafting. That's just having a horrible team.

Lou still added that player.

Beyond him, you're attempting to praise a bottom pairing defenseman, 4th liner, and backup goaltender that made the NHL in their 5th, 5th, and 8th year after being drafted, while simultaneously spending this entire discussion mocking and "denying the existence" of any kid or prospect that populates a lesser role or hasn't hit the arbitrary playoff standards you hold nobody else to, within 1-6 years of being drafted.

You're confusing comparisons to Dubas as praise. I specifically said Lou didn't do a particularly good job drafting. I then compared his record to Dubas'.

And still, the mediocre drafting isn't the end of the story with Dubas. Even when he did land a pick, we failed to develop them or traded them away. Grundstrom gone. Durzi gone, Sandin gone. Knies gone... oh wait, Shanahan blocked that one.

Step 1 - Trade away picks for rentals.
Step 2 - Draft decently.
Step 3 - Develop poorly.
Step 4 - Trade prospects for veterans.

Great way to "add to the pool".

 

[ULF_55]

Toronto is literally on his no trade list

I understand that, but many players have NMC's but still agree.

And Keefe isn't coach now ...

 

[Torontonian]

As much as previous GM's have been all-in at the deadline, we might be seeing all in before free agency even starts.

Could free up Friday night with no 1st. round picks to view ...

Well you can kind of see Toronto line of thinking coming forward now on what they want to do... Willing to trade 2024 or 2026 1st rounder for a goalie with a bit of term, means they might not be very interested in running a poormans tandem and want a solid goalie with Woll.

So then it looks like they are targeting multiple d-man come free agency if they are willing to trade their 1st for a goalie

 

[ULF_55]

Well you can kind of see Toronto line of thinking coming forward now on what they want to do... Willing to trade 2024 or 2026 1st rounder for a goalie with a bit of term, means they might not be very interested in running a poormans tandem and want a solid goalie with Woll.

So then it looks like they are targeting multiple d-man come free agency if they are willing to trade their 1st for a goalie

They have a tonne of work to due if they're spending $4-6mm on a keeper.

Need a center and at least one defender comparable to Rielly.

Can they offload Kampf, or is it possible someone picks him off waivers?
10 team NTC for Kampf.

 

[crump]

Wish list by hook or by crook…

Saros- need a goalie
Tanev or Pesce (or both)
Josh Dakota
Ross Colton as a third line centre. Hits, good faceoff %, takeaways are excellent, 20 goal scorer, (and scored a Stanley cup winning goal.)

 

[Sypher04]

Ullmark likely has near full control over where he’s going if a trade does happen.

If he and his agent are smart at all, his no trade list is filled with all the teams that actually have a need for goaltending.

Looking at all the teams in the league. I’d say there are maybe 11 who might get in on Ullmark talks.

Buffalo, Calgary, Chicago, Columbus, Montreal, Ottawa, Philadelphia, San Jose, Toronto, Utah and Washington.

A few others he’d be smart to hedge on putting on his 15 team team no-trade would be the Blues in case they move Binnington, Detroit, maybe Minnesota.

Of the 11 listed only Toronto, Utah and Washington feel like places you give any consideration to join with 1 year left on your contract. And of those 3, despite our justified hand wringing, Toronto is easily the closest to winning.

The only real fly in the ointment could be if Colorado looked to get involved and upgrade Georgiev

Saros has no trade protection so that element goes way in considerations but the list of teams with varying interest seems like it would be the same and I suspect Trotz would at least try to do right by Saros and deal him to his preference. We still stand out amongst them.

 

[ULF_55]

Wish list by hook or by crook…

Saros- need a goalie
Tanev or Pesce (or both)
Josh Dakota
Ross Colton as a third line centre. Hits, good faceoff %, takeaways are excellent, 20 goal scorer, (and scored a Stanley cup winning goal.)

I just cannot agree with Tanev, unless he comes cheaply.

My preference is they sign the youngest, bestest, available defender to a real term contract and stop the yearly scramble to find some miracle cure at the deadline.

 

[Sypher04]

I just cannot agree with Tanev, unless he comes cheaply.

My preference is they sign the youngest, bestest, available defender to a real term contract and stop the yearly scramble to find some miracle cure at the deadline.

I do tend to agree. The level of turnover every season in important positions is hurting us. It’s also costing us a fortune in draft capital

 

[ULF_55]

I do tend to agree. The level of turnover every season in important positions is hurting us. It’s also costing us a fortune in draft capital

Additionally, if they sign even a couple/few high end free agents, the prospects/kids/draftees have some insulation as they develop. Players that can carry during development.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I don't think because Tre went after Markstrom that he's definitely looking for a bigger name goalie than Brossoit/Stolarz/Talbot

He obviously loves Markstrom. Already signed him once. That doesn't mean he loves the other big name options being mentioned.

 

[thusk]

Averaged 13:07 in ES/TOI playoffs for them last year. That's less than any Leafs D this year including Brodie. Would have slotted him between Gio and Lilj last year.

Again, this is a bottom pair D who couldn't take a regular shift and had to be used as purely a sheltered offensive specialist. That's incredibly hard to accomodate, and if we wanted to go that route Gus would have made much more sense.

Kling didn't come for a mill, he was getting middle pair money to play less than a regular shift

playing an average of 11:43 at 5v5 in 4 playoff game and still had more pts at 5v5 than any leafs d outside rielly last 2 playoff.That's just so how much leafs need d able to bring offensive.

Klinberg was a one year deql, not a high risk contract and sometime just a chabge of scenary can change everything, montour is a great exemple. His carrer goes nowhere in Buffalo and had been traded for pracally nothing. Florida took a risk on him and we know the story. That kind of exemple are not extremely hard to find.

Matheson and petry when they been traded to MTL are 2 other exemple of it.

Klinberg coulb easily be a similar story

 

[LeafsFan89]

Oh lord, now I’m worried what moves Tre is going to make this offseason…

Is this a reliable source?

 

[OVO16]

I don't think because Tre went after Markstrom that he's definitely looking for a bigger name goalie than Brossoit/Stolarz/Talbot

He obviously loves Markstrom. Already signed him once. That doesn't mean he loves the other big name options being mentioned.

Agreed. Exactly my thinking as well.

Only thing I took out of it is that whatever package was offered for Markstrom (have to assume Liljegren + 1st?)...is on the table for any trade in general. Dont think its gonna be for a goaltender now

Really curious to see what was offered

 

[Sypher04]

I don't think because Tre went after Markstrom that he's definitely looking for a bigger name goalie than Brossoit/Stolarz/Talbot

He obviously loves Markstrom. Already signed him once. That doesn't mean he loves the other big name options being mentioned.

I fully disagree. If he was willing to trade a package for a 35 year old Markstrom, then the need has been identified and there’d be zero justification to believe he’d not be similarly interest to get a Saros or Ullmark, both of whom are better than Markstrom imo. Obviously all of this is price dependent

 

[Gallagbi]

Is this a reliable source?

Elliotte Friedman? He's pretty underground, but I think he has a future as an insider

 

[1specter]

How many times is Treliving gonna be told 'no' by his ex before he gets the hint? Jeez.

 

[OVO16]

How many times is Treliving gonna be told 'no' by his ex before he gets the hint? Jeez.

What I was thinking as well. Dude needs to get over his old team and his old players. Make a a new mark.

Calgary clearly are some sensitive hoes still lmao. Just let it be

 

[Sypher04]

Oh lord, now I’m worried what moves Tre is going to make this offseason…

Not sure why you’d make that your takeaway. We need goaltending in a pretty significant way.

I love Woll, I hope he’s the future in our goal. Nothing yet has proven he is. He’s played well at multiple points, he’s been pretty not great at other, he doesn’t have many starts under his belt on a per season basis and he’s frankly injury prone and has been his entire career.

Solidfy the goal. Make Woll earn his NHL stripes as a backup goaltender and give him mentorship and time to work with our sports medicine department to try to curb some of the issues he’s had with health.