GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Zero1]

I think pesce is staying in US. Supposedly we weren’t on his 15 team trade list so I doubt he comes here now.

I am going after theodore from vegas and trading marner for him. If that doesnt happen, then go after montour. Tanev and zadorov are my other signings. Roy also probably wants to stay in US.

Up front, its between monahan and lindholm. Lindholm will cost around 7 mill.

If Marner doesn’t waive, is Liljegren + Robertson + 2024 1st enough to get Theodore on an expiring contract?

 

[DougGilmour93]

Every year we get "grittier", tougher, more resilient

And how is $18.5 million projected cap space not enough to bring in some tough guys??


What do people actually want?
I'm not trying to be facetious either, I'm genuinely curious, what would actually make us tougher in a way that would also make us better, that we can't currently solve from purely a financial standpoint?

This is the thing…
That 18.5m we have is gonna be gone pretty quick if we re-sign the likes of Domi and or Bertuzzi. They’ll probably take close to 9 million to re-up, leaving only 9 million to sign that extra grit/toughness and to fill out our defensive core.

That’s why we need to get rid of the likes of Kampf/Jarnkrok/Rielly to free up capspace to change this team (if Marner decides to stay).

I’d like to add the likes of Joshua + Trenin to the bottom 6. Also Roy and Tanev to the backend. (And if we do deal Rielly, we’ll need to add some offense to the backend maybe Montour)

Not to mention we still need a #1 goalie…

 

[JKG33]

Every year we get "grittier", tougher, more resilient

And how is $18.5 million projected cap space not enough to bring in some tough guys??


What do people actually want?
I'm not trying to be facetious either, I'm genuinely curious, what would actually make us tougher in a way that would also make us better, that we can't currently solve from purely a financial standpoint?

You can stick all the grit you want in the bottom 6 and defence. But when half your cap is spent on lady byng candidates you aren't gunna do much.

What do I want? The core 4 gone. Tavares can bring his loser leadership to another city as he inches toward retirement. Marner can go out and get paid to be the best player on another miserable team that goes nowhere. Matthews can go score his 60 goals for a poverty franchise that needs someone like him to put butts in the seats. I suppose Nylander can stay for now.

 

[rumman]

Me: Don't sign Pesce, lots of hard miles on him. Why would he even want to sign here? He's American.

Also me: Please sign Matt Roy. #1 target this offseason. So what he is American, this is the Toronto Maple leafs, why wouldn't he want to sign here?

I wouldn’t sign him either, he’ll stay in the USA……..

 

[rumman]

Justin Barron is also a decent target.

His underlying numbers are average. He's only 22 with 94 NHL games under his belt. His NHL exposure at 22 is similar to Sandin at the same age. He's 6'2 and could pair well with Benoit on the 3rd pair with room to grow. He average 18:37/game in 48 NHL games this season. He is the same draft as Niemela.

He's stuck behind Mailloux and Reinbacher in the AHL and Savard/Kovacevic and a glut of LD playing RD at the NHL level.

I would imagine he could be acquired for a similar aged forward who is NHL ready. Maybe that's Robertson.

I don’t know this guy at all, but I like acquiring young D men with potential, especially if we need to ride out the year until Marner’s gone. Spend all the money available on D this year, next year decide what to do with the 22 mil from losing JT and Marner……..

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Marner status will loom over the team all year. Should be fun!

 

[TMLAM34]

Rielly - Parayko
McCabe - Roy (5.5)
Benoit - Chatfield (2.75)

Not sure if that’s possible but would be one really good blueline.

 

[Kurtz]

Rielly - Parayko
McCabe - Roy (5.5)
Benoit - Chatfield (2.75)

Not sure if that’s possible but would be one really good blueline.

Definitely possible...would leave us with about 6m to re-sign Domi and get a tandem-level goalie, so we'd probably need to dump Kampf and/or Jarn for league min guys, which we already have plenty of in the system rearing to go. (assuming Lil' goes the other way in a Parayko deal).

I'm apprehensive about Chatfield though - I know he looks great in advanced stats, but the Canes are massively into advanced stats, so if they let him go, then the stats are probably misleading. Like Martin Marincin level misleading.

 

[jaric1862]

This feels like the summer of 2016 again. The cap is going to make a massive jump for the first time since the pandemic … Lots of horrible deals will be signed on July 1. Let’s not be one of those team

 

[TMLAM34]

Definitely possible...would leave us with about 6m to re-sign Domi and get a tandem-level goalie, so we'd probably need to dump Kampf and/or Jarn for league min guys, which we already have plenty of in the system rearing to go. (assuming Lil' goes the other way in a Parayko deal).

I'm apprehensive about Chatfield though - I know he looks great in advanced stats, but the Canes are massively into advanced stats, so if they let him go, then the stats are probably misleading. Like Martin Marincin level misleading.

For under 3 million, with the cap jumping up yearly again, I wouldn’t be opposed to taking a flyer on Chatfield. Sounds like he’s got a decent blend of everything.

 

[Dreakmur]

Definitely possible...would leave us with about 6m to re-sign Domi and get a tandem-level goalie, so we'd probably need to dump Kampf and/or Jarn for league min guys, which we already have plenty of in the system rearing to go. (assuming Lil' goes the other way in a Parayko deal).

I have Liljegren, Robertson, and Holmberg going in exchange for Parayko....

I'm apprehensive about Chatfield though - I know he looks great in advanced stats, but the Canes are massively into advanced stats, so if they let him go, then the stats are probably misleading. Like Martin Marincin level misleading.

I'd be hesitant too. Also, signing a UFA to almost 3 million to be on the 3rd pair seems excessive. Only reason to sign him is you think he can be a bargain top-4 guy.

 

[Fogelhund]

I have Liljegren, Robertson, and Holmberg going in exchange for Parayko....

Plus what else?

 

[Dreakmur]

Plus what else?

What else do they want?

 

[Kiwi]

This feels like the summer of 2016 again. The cap is going to make a massive jump for the first time since the pandemic … Lots of horrible deals will be signed on July 1. Let’s not be one of those team

Then you probably don't want to sign anybody until about the 3rd of July honestly

 

[thewave]

Then you probably don't want to sign anybody until about the 3rd of July honestly

That's how you save money. I like it. If they do that I will be shocked and impressed. Its Toronto after all. Running with the assumption Marner is done on the 2nd and we have resolved our big name D wing or both and the 3rd on is to fill the team.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Running it back with the 4 goon setup mccabe benoit edmundson boosh is good enough for grit.

The main focus is 1-2 offensive dman punch. We're missing a compliment to Rielly's wheeling 5v5.

Because of how severely bad our backend is with wheeling and puck movement, the impact of adding Montour would be drastic. Adding a Tanev or Zadorov won't make much difference to the team. We're already keeping pace with Bruins and Panthers as punishers in the d-zone the last few months. Where we are lacking is one more proven 2-way guy.

Montour is a few years away from his age becoming an issue and also doesn't have any prime expensive years to pay for. The cap hit isn't going to be as huge as people think. Reward him with a nice front loaded contract and other fancy things Leafs money allow them to do in contracts.

 

[mydnyte]

Running it back with the 4 goon setup mccabe benoit edmundson boosh is good enough for grit.

The main focus is 1-2 offensive dman punch. We're missing a compliment to Rielly's wheeling 5v5.

Because of how severely bad our backend is with wheeling and puck movement, the impact of adding Montour would be drastic. Adding a Tanev or Zadorov won't make much difference to the team. We're already keeping pace with Bruins and Panthers as punishers in the d-zone the last few months. Where we are lacking is one more proven 2-way guy.

Montour is a few years away from his age becoming an issue and also doesn't have any prime expensive years to pay for. The cap hit isn't going to be as huge as people think. Reward him with a nice front loaded contract and other fancy things Leafs money allow them to do in contracts.

grit doesnt matter when you are fishing the puck out of you net because they dont have the ability to get the puck out of the zone.
We need 1 mobile D who can carry and clear the puck on each pairing, with one guy who can break the cycle at least also on each pairing. Except for McCabe, the others are just too slow, and cant handle the puck good enough, we need to aim higher than goonish slugs and slow waiver retreads, (Forsling was on waivers, but, he could skate and Car tried to sneak him through).

 

[LeafParade]

They need to get two top 4 d otherwise I will consider this summer a failure regardless of what happens with the forwards

 

[JKG33]

I'm not sure if he's been brought up, but with all the talk around Joshua or trying to find a cheaper alternative, I've found our man. Sammy Blais. I remember a year or two after the Blues won the cup I seen a pre-season game in Winnipeg, and I thought for sure he'd be the next Tom Wilson. He was hitting everything in sight and came away with a couple points.

Now 4 years later that prediction didn't pan out, but he's still the same guy who runs around hitting everyone and he does have an offensive touch, scoring 20 points in 31 games down the stretch a season ago when he was re-acquired by the Blues.

He'll be 28 before free agency opens and has a career high 25 points, so he shouldn't be expensive. I'm pretty confident he's a favorite of Berube so I think adding him is a real possibility. Worst case you have a perfect 4th liner. Best case he gets the Bunting treatment, stapled to Matthews' line and outproduces his caphit.

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm not sure if he's been brought up, but with all the talk around Joshua or trying to find a cheaper alternative, I've found our man. Sammy Blais. I remember a year or two after the Blues won the cup I seen a pre-season game in Winnipeg, and I thought for sure he'd be the next Tom Wilson. He was hitting everything in sight and came away with a couple points.

Now 4 years later that prediction didn't pan out, but he's still the same guy who runs around hitting everyone and he does have an offensive touch, scoring 20 points in 31 games down the stretch a season ago when he was re-acquired by the Blues.

He'll be 28 before free agency opens and has a career high 25 points, so he shouldn't be expensive. I'm pretty confident he's a favorite of Berube so I think adding him is a real possibility. Worst case you have a perfect 4th liner. Best case he gets the Bunting treatment, stapled to Matthews' line and outproduces his caphit.

We’re loaded with bottom 6 wingers. McMann, Jarnkrok, Holmberg, Dewar, Reaves, and Gregor can all return. Then we have to find a spot for Cowan and possibly Grebyonkin.

We need a top-6 LW and a middle-6 C… and 3 top-4 D… and a 1B G…

 

[JKG33]

We’re loaded with bottom 6 wingers. McMann, Jarnkrok, Holmberg, Dewar, Reaves, and Gregor can all return. Then we have to find a spot for Cowan and possibly Grebyonkin.

We need a top-6 LW and a middle-6 C… and 3 top-4 D… and a 1B G…

Blais is better than most/all of them, with the added bonus of potential for a top 6 role.

The Blues don't have anyone near the talent level of the overpaid 4, so he could slide in a nicely as a complimentary winger here

 

[Sypher04]

Running it back with the 4 goon setup mccabe benoit edmundson boosh is good enough for grit.

The main focus is 1-2 offensive dman punch. We're missing a compliment to Rielly's wheeling 5v5.

Because of how severely bad our backend is with wheeling and puck movement, the impact of adding Montour would be drastic. Adding a Tanev or Zadorov won't make much difference to the team. We're already keeping pace with Bruins and Panthers as punishers in the d-zone the last few months. Where we are lacking is one more proven 2-way guy.

Montour is a few years away from his age becoming an issue and also doesn't have any prime expensive years to pay for. The cap hit isn't going to be as huge as people think. Reward him with a nice front loaded contract and other fancy things Leafs money allow them to do in contracts.

AAV for Montour as a UFA should probably start with a 6 unless the bidding war gets silly which it might

 

[JKG33]

AAV for Montour as a UFA should probably start with a 6

He's gunna get upper 7's, possibly even 8 if he goes for the max money he can. 6 is highly unlikely

 

[Sypher04]

He's gunna get upper 7's, possibly even 8 if he goes for the max money he can. 6 is highly unlikely

He shouldn’t. But yes bidding war might get out of hand.

Forsling is better, 5 years younger and got 5.75M

 

[Stephen]

This feels like the summer of 2016 again. The cap is going to make a massive jump for the first time since the pandemic … Lots of horrible deals will be signed on July 1. Let’s not be one of those team

Good news, we already spent our cap increase money on Matthews and Nylander!