GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[TMLAM34]

I’m not sure if Detroit would give up any 2 of those pieces together, let alone 3.

Detroit easily trades Raymond and their 1st for an extended Marner. I want Marner gone and I wouldn’t trade him for those two pieces alone.

 

[hamzarocks]

He isn't a UFA this year, so he isn't included in the projections.

If he puts up 30 points again, and is near +20, continues to play well, $5 mil wouldn't shock me...


I counter with Wright + 1st.

Seattle counters with lol

 

[dubplatepressure]

Detroit easily trades Raymond and their 1st for an extended Marner. I want Marner gone and I wouldn’t trade him for those two pieces alone.

Disagree - IMO Detroit wouldn't make that move.

 

[arso40]

this was Marner in a self admitted off year in 69 games on the 2nd line (mostly) and Aho in 78 on the top line ...he easily would have outpointed Aho again, like he has every season they have been in the league. I like Aho as a player, but, he is not as good as Marner.
If someone finally smacks some sense into Marner and makes him take more shots, he'll score higher also. Aho's career high in goals is 38, Marner's is 35 when he slightly shot more often, then reverted back to a non shooter for whatever reason.

Marner was on the second line mostly where?? Did I miss something??? LOL the excuses and lies are crazy

 

[TMLAM34]

Disagree - IMO Detroit wouldn't make that move.

Why do you think fhat?

 

[Brobust]

Seattle counters with lol

I hope more and more people come around to the idea of extending and keep Marner.

 

[Gaberd2608]

I hope more and more people come around to the idea of extending and keep Marner.

There are pros and cons. I think the reality is we are very top heavy which prevents us from rounding out the roster in a meaningful way. I think if the big 4 carried the team and we lost people could accept that but the apparent lack of effort makes it hard to watch.

Matthews isnt going anywhere and Nylander is already signed. Tavares only has one year left and unlikely to resign or if he does stay in such a large role. so bias aside, it kind of makes sense if you are going to move one of them, move Marner.

We may not get full value but looking at what Brad got for MT, if we can get similar I would taken. Huberdeau and Weegar type return would be pretty good I think.

 

[Brobust]

There are pros and cons. I think the reality is we are very top heavy which prevents us from rounding out the roster in a meaningful way. I think if the big 4 carried the team and we lost people could accept that but the apparent lack of effort makes it hard to watch.

Matthews isnt going anywhere and Nylander is already signed. Tavares only has one year left and unlikely to resign or if he does stay in such a large role. so bias aside, it kind of makes sense if you are going to move one of them, move Marner.

We may not get full value but looking at what Brad got for MT, if we can get similar I would taken. Huberdeau and Weegar type return would be pretty good I think.

Well, they have around $19M in cap space this season and they'll be even less top heavy next season when Tavares is off the books. So if the issue is that the team is too loaded with big contracts, that should change as early as next season. In fact, why not try and move JT now. He is, without argument, the most overpaid player on this team.

 

[Gabriel426]

The hole team can't score!!!

cap hit from bottom 6 of toronto and boston was basically the same, the fact leafs core is paying high price doesn't justify the fact nobody outside of the core are able to provide anything offensively.

And why they are unable to provide any kind of offence? They didn't took any risk at all. That's helped to hide defensive issues but that's completly broke the offensive of EVERY BODY IN THE TEAM. When you never really take any risk and and never put pressure on opposite D and get your d never be involve offensively, good luck to score against a good defensive team and/or great goalie. Leafs forechecking is inexistant.

Honestly for me playing a system like this, your strwnght need to be your goalie ( like ir was the case with NJ with Brodeur) or d but its never be the case for Toronto.

ps i didn't said core was good enough or whatever, but more i watch it and more i don't think keefe system was a right fit for Toronto. They tried with that system to win with leafs Weakness, D+ goalie with low scoring game and forgot all their strenghts. If toronto want to win, a little bit like Edmonton ... its should start with the offensive, it's where they are good.

Depth not scoring doesn’t mean core doesn’t need to score either.

Keefe was part of the problem and I doubt Berube coming in will fix everything esp if the same team is being brought back.
Changes need to be made with the roster or the results will pretty much be the same.
JT and MM needs to go and use that cap to spread the offence and defence.
JT, MM, Kampf and Calle combine for 27mil if Tre can replace them with Marchessault, Lindholm, Nbjudstad, and Toffoli, that’s already a much more balance and better top 9 with AM, Bert, Domi, Knies and McMann than our playoffs top 9 with a few millions to spare to spend on defence.

Well, they have around $19M in cap space this season and they'll be even less top heavy next season when Tavares is off the books. So if the issue is that the team is too loaded with big contracts, that should change as early as next season. In fact, why not try and move JT now. He is, without argument, the most overpaid player on this team.

That’s what I thought. I would trade JT to a team that won’t make the playoffs for sure for picks and then trade him back with the same picks at TDL with retention.
That would be some crafty business

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Saros + Novak + Nashville 1st
For
Marner

Then
Nas 2024 1st
Leafs 2024 1st
Liljegren
For
Andersson (Cgy)

 

[TMLAM34]

Saros + Novak + Nashville 1st
For
Marner

Then
Nas 2024 1st
Leafs 2024 1st
Liljegren
For
Andersson (Cgy)

I want nothing to do with Novak. He makes Nylander look physical.

 

[Brobust]

Saros + Novak + Nashville 1st
For
Marner

Then
Nas 2024 1st
Leafs 2024 1st
Liljegren
For
Andersson (Cgy)

Andersson is not a top pair defenceman.

 

[Brobust]

Depth not scoring doesn’t mean core doesn’t need to score either.

Keefe was part of the problem and I doubt Berube coming in will fix everything esp if the same team is being brought back.
Changes need to be made with the roster or the results will pretty much be the same.
JT and MM needs to go and use that cap to spread the offence and defence.
JT, MM, Kampf and Calle combine for 27mil if Tre can replace them with Marchessault, Lindholm, Nbjudstad, and Toffoli, that’s already a much more balance and better top 9 with AM, Bert, Domi, Knies and McMann than our playoffs top 9 with a few millions to spare to spend on defence.


That’s what I thought. I would trade JT to a team that won’t make the playoffs for sure for picks and then trade him back with the same picks at TDL with retention.
That would be some crafty business

These players are not meaningful upgrades though and there's heavy risk involved with almost all of them. Toffoli and Marchessault are 33 and are projected to make over $6M/year. Lindholm was likely carried by elite linemates and his performance fell off as soon as they left and he's projected to make over $8M. All three are potential team killer contracts.

 

[supermann_98]

I hope more and more people come around to the idea of extending and keep Marner.

If he’d take 8x 8.5 I’d extend him and see if Berube can help him grow a set and wait for Tavares’ contract to expire to load up on a Dman like Shea Theodore, but he’s gonna want $13m+ which is the problem

 

[Brobust]

If he’d take 8x 8.5 I’d extend him and see if Berube can help him grow a set and wait for Tavares’ contract to expire to load up on a Dman like Shea Theodore, but he’s gonna want $13m+ which is the problem

There's a reason LV traded for Hanafin and extended him. It likely has something to do with Shea Theodore's contract demands.

 

[Dreakmur]

I hope more and more people come around to the idea of extending and keep Marner.

The core doesn’t work. Not just because of the cap, but also because of the players.

 

[Brobust]

The core doesn’t work. Not just because of the cap, but also because of the players.

You may be right. But the added embarrassment of losing a Marner trade on top of these last 8 years is just a bit too much for me to handle.

And 95% of the offers and expectations being set lead me to believe that we are potentially headed to another Kadri situation here. I cannot take another trade like that.

 

[Torontonian]

1. The built of the Leafs was relying on the core to score
2. The Core were paid to score
3. The Core could not score
4. Are you really expecting Revo, Dewar and other 4th liners to provide offence in the playoffs instead of AM, MM, and JT scoring more than a goal each in the playoffs.

Coaching is a problem
Depth is a problem
Core is still a problem

Secondary scoring being non existent is a problem you cannot ignore, look at the Rangers for example, Zibanjad Kreider, Panarin aren't scoring, but Lafrenire and Trochek are leading the team. Best players will always need to be good, but the other two players riding shotgun in your top 6 cannot be non existent like how Domi/Bert was.

 

[supermann_98]

Saros + Novak + Nashville 1st
For
Marner

Then
Nas 2024 1st
Leafs 2024 1st
Liljegren
For
Andersson (Cgy)

You overrate Andersson immensely

I'd argue Liljegren could be a better player than him with some proper coaching which he's never had with Keefe, let alone throwing in two 1sts

 

[TMLAM34]

Secondary scoring being non existent is a problem you cannot ignore, look at the Rangers for example, Zibanjad Kreider, Panarin aren't scoring, but Lafrenire and Trochek are leading the team. Best players will always need to be good, but the other two players riding shotgun in your top 6 cannot be non existent like how Domi/Bert was.

The supporting cast definitely needs to be better there’s no doubt about that BUT it always goes back to how can you properly address the issue when the core four are taking up half the teams salary cap? You mention Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider, they take up a total of 26.6 million while our top three forwards total of 33.5 million. That’s almost a 7 million dollar difference…

 

[Gabriel426]

These players are not meaningful upgrades though and there's heavy risk involved with almost all of them. Toffoli and Marchessault are 33 and are projected to make over $6M/year. Lindholm was likely carried by elite linemates and his performance fell off as soon as they left and he's projected to make over $8M. All three are potential team killer contracts.

I would say the same about the current Kampf’s contract.
Definitely the next MM’s contract.
The current JT’s contract too.

There will always be risk involving signing UFAs but to say that Marchessault is not an upgrade to MM and JT is a bit much as he just scored 40 goals. Toffoli got over 30goals last season, more goals than MM or JT.
Lindholm will be a solid 2C who plays a 200ft responsible game.

Secondary scoring being non existent is a problem you cannot ignore, look at the Rangers for example, Zibanjad Kreider, Panarin aren't scoring, but Lafrenire and Trochek are leading the team. Best players will always need to be good, but the other two players riding shotgun in your top 6 cannot be non existent like how Domi/Bert was.

Agree but Domi and Bert led the team in scoring with 4 pts each and they scored as many goals as JT and MM in the series with less PP time.

 

[Gabriel426]

You may be right. But the added embarrassment of losing a Marner trade on top of these last 8 years is just a bit too much for me to handle.

And 95% of the offers and expectations being set lead me to believe that we are potentially headed to another Kadri situation here. I cannot take another trade like that.

That’s a horrible reason.

I don’t mind losing a MM trade as long as the Leafs win the Cup.

When it comes to young players, I don’t think there are any available that works with a MM trade. I do like the idea of Utah, Keller, 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders for MM.

 

[Brobust]

That’s a horrible reason.

I don’t mind losing a MM trade as long as the Leafs win the Cup.

When it comes to young players, I don’t think there are any available that works with a MM trade. I do like the idea of Utah, Keller, 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders for MM.

The only way there's a relationship between a Marner trade and a cup win is if the leafs get significantly better off a Marner trade.

I genuinely do not understand the logic that losing a trade will somehow make the team better.

 

[Gabriel426]

The only way there's a relationship between a Marner trade and a cup win is if the leafs get significantly better off a Marner trade.

I genuinely do not understand the logic that losing a trade will somehow make the team better.

When Flames and Panthers made the trade.
Flames looked like they won the trade with a 100pts LW in Hubie, 1st pairing Puck moving RHD in Weegar and a 1st rounder for Tkachuk-100pts LW.

you can’t possibly say, you felt Panthers won the trade when it happened.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Vancouver traded Horvat and improved. It can be done. We're paying Brad millions to find the right trade.