GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[mydnyte]

Vancouver traded Horvat and improved. It can be done. We're paying Brad millions to find the right trade.

Horvat is a 2nd line C though who is a 30, 30 player ...career high 68 points

 

[Fogelhund]

I don't think it has anything to do with "having the balls to do something", or making difficult decisions, I just think that coming up with scenarios for trading Tavares is an exercise in futility. The premise that he'd waive, is flawed at best. I just don't see how a guy, who came to Toronto, because he wanted to be near family, his wife is from here, works here, and both sets of grandparents are close to the kids... would accept a trade to anywhere, but here. He will have made $100 mil by the end of this contract, so money isn't really an issue. I'd guess he'd take a deep discount next contract, over being moved.

Mantha is an absolute do not want... he's just not that good, and a very poor work ethic.

Overall, some good thought put into things, but I just don't see Tavares waiving under any circumstances.... That being said, the team who would want him the most, is likely Columbus, who has a major need for a C.

 

[horner]

David Perron LW 6' 200 lbs
20 g 50 pt ave regular season
His last 3 playoffs 22 goals
Played fir Berube
Has some jam to his game
4.5 mil

 

[Al14]

David Perron LW 6' 200 lbs
20 g 50 pt ave regular season
His last 3 playoffs 22 goals
Played fir Berube
Has some jam to his game
4.5 mil

Age 36 !!! That's a BIG NO from me. We don't need him on a retirement contract, unless it's for league minimum for 1 year.

JMHO.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think it has anything to do with "having the balls to do something", or making difficult decisions, I just think that coming up with scenarios for trading Tavares is an exercise in futility. The premise that he'd waive, is flawed at best. I just don't see how a guy, who came to Toronto, because he wanted to be near family, his wife is from here, works here, and both sets of grandparents are close to the kids... would accept a trade to anywhere, but here. He will have made $100 mil by the end of this contract, so money isn't really an issue. I'd guess he'd take a deep discount next contract, over being moved.

Mantha is an absolute do not want... he's just not that good, and a very poor work ethic.

Overall, some good thought put into things, but I just don't see Tavares waiving under any circumstances.... That being said, the team who would want him the most, is likely Columbus, who has a major need for a C.

Yeah I don't get it and asked but it couldn't be explained.
Apparently it's been 'well established' though.

 

[Brobust]

I don't think it has anything to do with "having the balls to do something", or making difficult decisions, I just think that coming up with scenarios for trading Tavares is an exercise in futility. The premise that he'd waive, is flawed at best. I just don't see how a guy, who came to Toronto, because he wanted to be near family, his wife is from here, works here, and both sets of grandparents are close to the kids... would accept a trade to anywhere, but here. He will have made $100 mil by the end of this contract, so money isn't really an issue. I'd guess he'd take a deep discount next contract, over being moved.

Mantha is an absolute do not want... he's just not that good, and a very poor work ethic.

Overall, some good thought put into things, but I just don't see Tavares waiving under any circumstances.... That being said, the team who would want him the most, is likely Columbus, who has a major need for a C.

As much as JT loves Toronto or whatever, I think a lot of money potentially rides on the decision. Enough money that even someone as secure as Tavares has to consider it. He's still a $6-8M player and I could see a lot of teams willing to pay him that. I don't see him getting anything close to that in Toronto.

Is Tavares willing to take that big of a pay cut on his next contract? If Toronto tells him that they don't want him back under any circumstances, will he just retire?

 

[Evilhomer]

Why do you think fhat?

Larkin is on a great long-term contract and is easily Detroit's most impactful player. I doubt they would trade Larkin straight up for Marner.

 

[OVO16]

David Perron LW 6' 200 lbs
20 g 50 pt ave regular season
His last 3 playoffs 22 goals
Played fir Berube
Has some jam to his game
4.5 mil

Pagnotta said we would have interest.

I def don't want him at that price though

 

[Evilhomer]

I'm pretty sure I heard Chris Johnston say that the leafs have never even considered a discussion about trading one of the 4. So they don't even know the returns.

This is silly. Of course they have had discussions over the years with other teams about hypothetical trade scenarios involving some or all of these guys. I'm sure they have a very good sense of what the return could be for any of their players.

 

[Torontonian]

That SBs are what really make me chuckle. Teams are reluctant to give their superstars SBs and this team is giving them up to bottom 6 guys. Oh, and they're not getting some good discounts over it either.

Signing bonuses are extremely helpful when trying to trade players away on longer deals since you can front load them on the contract and they make nothing towards the back end. The SB on both Kampf and Jankrok are nothing, it wouldn't stop a team from actually trading for them.

Some teams has the tax advantage, but richer teams in Canada and other markets have the advantage of being able to pay 15m on day 1 of the contract and nothing towards the end of it.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I don't think it has anything to do with "having the balls to do something", or making difficult decisions, I just think that coming up with scenarios for trading Tavares is an exercise in futility. The premise that he'd waive, is flawed at best. I just don't see how a guy, who came to Toronto, because he wanted to be near family, his wife is from here, works here, and both sets of grandparents are close to the kids... would accept a trade to anywhere, but here. He will have made $100 mil by the end of this contract, so money isn't really an issue. I'd guess he'd take a deep discount next contract, over being moved.

Mantha is an absolute do not want... he's just not that good, and a very poor work ethic.

Overall, some good thought put into things, but I just don't see Tavares waiving under any circumstances.... That being said, the team who would want him the most, is likely Columbus, who has a major need for a C.

Good post.

JT is here next year guaranteed. It's after the year when the questions start and we've all rehashed our opinions on that ad nauseum.

This is a pretty important offseason. They have some major, major decisions to make, and all of them are gambles to some degree. But that's why management makes the big bucks. Time for them to do their jobs.

 

[Torontonian]

This is silly. Of course they have had discussions over the years with other teams about hypothetical trade scenarios involving some or all of these guys. I'm sure they have a very good sense of what the return could be for any of their players.

I'm pretty sure Freidman said on his podcast, 32 thoughts, Toronto would only have given up Nylander if they were getting the same elk of player back on the blue line, but no one was willing to do it so they resigned him.

 

[supermann_98]

There's a reason LV traded for Hanafin and extended him. It likely has something to do with Shea Theodore's contract demands.

Theodore will sign for probably $2-3m less than Marner

 

[TMLAM34]

Larkin is on a great long-term contract and is easily Detroit's most impactful player. I doubt they would trade Larkin straight up for Marner.

Who proposed Larkin for Marner? If anything, Larkin would be advocating for Marner.

 

[Amadeus]

Simon Edvinsson
Nate Danielson
Robby Fabbri
1st 2024

 

[Evilhomer]

I'm pretty sure Freidman said on his podcast, 32 thoughts, Toronto would only have given up Nylander if they were getting the same elk of player back on the blue line, but no one was willing to do it so they resigned him.

Agreed, and I think it's not unreasonable to think the same thing will happen with Marner.

 

[Fogelhund]

As much as JT loves Toronto or whatever, I think a lot of money potentially rides on the decision. Enough money that even someone as secure as Tavares has to consider it. He's still a $6-8M player and I could see a lot of teams willing to pay him that. I don't see him getting anything close to that in Toronto.

Is Tavares willing to take that big of a pay cut on his next contract? If Toronto tells him that they don't want him back under any circumstances, will he just retire?

I don't know Tavares monetary situation... but he will have made over $100mil... adding to that, isn't likely to change his lifestyle in any way going forward.

Tavares already chose Toronto, over allegedly more money elsewhere.... allegedly $13.5 mil from San Jose, and "Connor McDavid" money to stay in NYI.... (12.5) So, yes, there is precedence for taking less money.

Why would Toronto tell their Captain, they don't want him back under ANY circumstances?

I mean, that would be absolutely foolish, unless he was an incredibly toxic person in the dressing room... which it seems clear he isn't.

Noting, his now wife, participated in his decision to come to Toronto... and now they are here with kids, close to family... He's from a tight family...

The idea that he'd accept a trade right now... It's just not reality...

 

[Evilhomer]

Who proposed Larkin for Marner? If anything, Larkin would be advocating for Marner.

Sorry, I see that it was Raymond, not Larkin. Not sure what I was reading...

 

[ULF_55]

David Perron LW 6' 200 lbs
20 g 50 pt ave regular season
His last 3 playoffs 22 goals
Played fir Berube
Has some jam to his game
4.5 mil

36 years old.
Will he take Spezza deal?

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I don't know Tavares monetary situation... but he will have made over $100mil... adding to that, isn't likely to change his lifestyle in any way going forward.

Tavares already chose Toronto, over allegedly more money elsewhere.... allegedly $13.5 mil from San Jose, and "Connor McDavid" money to stay in NYI.... (12.5) So, yes, there is precedence for taking less money.

Why would Toronto tell their Captain, they don't want him back under ANY circumstances?

I mean, that would be absolutely foolish, unless he was an incredibly toxic person in the dressing room... which it seems clear he isn't.

Noting, his now wife, participated in his decision to come to Toronto... and now they are here with kids, close to family... He's from a tight family...

The idea that he'd accept a trade right now... It's just not reality...

Just playing devil's advocate here: let's say they hypothetically retain Tavares on a cheaper contract afterwards and they re-sign Marner. Does that realistically free up anywhere near enough money to fix the other problems on this team? Does keeping the core entirely together after so many disappointments send the wrong message?

I'm trying to not be my normal obnoxious self here but I believe these are fair questions. I know where I stand on this issue but I'm just a guy behind a keyboard.

 

[Dreakmur]

You may be right. But the added embarrassment of losing a Marner trade on top of these last 8 years is just a bit too much for me to handle.

And 95% of the offers and expectations being set lead me to believe that we are potentially headed to another Kadri situation here. I cannot take another trade like that.

You can’t lose a Marner trade when you can’t win by keeping him.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

You can’t lose a Marner trade when you can’t win by keeping him.

This is where I'm at too. Getting max value back in trade is always important but assets in return are not the only pieces that qualify as value.

 

[Evilhomer]

I don't know Tavares monetary situation... but he will have made over $100mil... adding to that, isn't likely to change his lifestyle in any way going forward.

Tavares already chose Toronto, over allegedly more money elsewhere.... allegedly $13.5 mil from San Jose, and "Connor McDavid" money to stay in NYI.... (12.5) So, yes, there is precedence for taking less money.

Why would Toronto tell their Captain, they don't want him back under ANY circumstances?

I mean, that would be absolutely foolish, unless he was an incredibly toxic person in the dressing room... which it seems clear he isn't.

Noting, his now wife, participated in his decision to come to Toronto... and now they are here with kids, close to family... He's from a tight family...

The idea that he'd accept a trade right now... It's just not reality...

Tavares is coming back next season and I think it's 99% likely that he is resigned. It's just a matter of how much his next contract will be. I expect it will be very affordable for the team.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Tavares should be willing to accept a very cheap contract extension considering how much we overpaid him the last 6 years.

Marner should also be willing to take less based on the same principle, but we all know that will never happen.

 

[ToneDog]

Hey Johnny, we know you are our Captain, came here because you love the TML, passed up an 8th year with the Isles to come here and we know you are willing to take a huge paycut to remain a Leaf but we need you to waive your NMC so we can resign Mitch for $100m. Yeah the same Mitch that has shit the bed for the last 5 playoffs. We know you understand and will take one for the team. Afterall we have kids lining up to buy Marner jerseys.