GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[ToneDog]

JT's a part of the core. He is the supposed leader and veteran presence who was supposed to guide the core.

Why is it so wrong and unthinkable to expect and want the team to hold him accountable? And if they don't, then isn't it emblematic of this team's extremely flawed and frankly pathetic approach to running a team?

I do not disagree with your thinking but it is the Leafs. We'll see.

 

[Brobust]

But he isn't resigning for $11 unfortunately. Leaf tax right? $11-12M is Tanev + Roy or Walker with cash to spare to help resign Bert. Mitch isn't the cancer, his next contract is. Maybe a cost controlled D comes back, or a physical center. If he stays that's Mitch and Willie forever, its not something they can pivot on mid deal. Cap space isn't just for FAs it means no more picks for retention so the club can stop mortgaging its future to try to compete.

If there is a chance Mitch agrees to a trade its this summer after yet another fail and management refusing to put it all on the coach who they fired anyways. If they can offer him the right landing spot its a possibility for sure. If they can't they can't but people assuming that as soon as JT is gone there is no cap concerns aren't being very realistic. Even when JT is gone, nobody is winning with $35M on three forwards because that's money that should be paying for a balanced lineup. A better goalie or a legit #1D like every other club tries to do.

I am not arguing that losing Mitch makes them immediately better, but I believe losing his next deal will allow them to better compete over the next 8 years. I would have been happy to lose Willie last summer but with the new deal they are married to him.

Please set your sights a bit higher than this. A Marner trade has to fully address this team's depth or add a significantly impact defenceman.

Being cost controlled or physical should not be the main selling points of any player the leafs get back. Impactful and potential are the words we need to focus on.

 

[thusk]

Depth not scoring doesn’t mean core doesn’t need to score either.

Keefe was part of the problem and I doubt Berube coming in will fix everything esp if the same team is being brought back.
Changes need to be made with the roster or the results will pretty much be the same.
JT and MM needs to go and use that cap to spread the offence and defence.
JT, MM, Kampf and Calle combine for 27mil if Tre can replace them with Marchessault, Lindholm, Nbjudstad, and Toffoli, that’s already a much more balance and better top 9 with AM, Bert, Domi, Knies and McMann than our playoffs top 9 with a few millions to spare to spend on defence.


That’s what I thought. I would trade JT to a team that won’t make the playoffs for sure for picks and then trade him back with the same picks at TDL with retention.
That would be some crafty business

I'm not agree marner should leave .

Exemple Bertuzzi finished at 4 pts... look great on paper, but in reality he did absolutly nothing in any of those goal including his goal ( where the puck just touch his skate accidentally and goes in) except maybe a trip uncall.

Domi the same thing, you watched there stats okay great 1 goal 3 assis amaizing... but what he really did offensively who provise goal? send the puck in an empty net after matthews hit the post, win a faceoff, dump the puck in the air and saw matthews making an amaizing play? Both Domi and Bertuzzi didn't provide any real offence and i didn't talk about penalties they took who cost goal.

When i heard we would trade the core and bring more player like this Bertuzzi, Domi and thinking that will make leafs better... Right now Toronto having money available,if they are able to bring in 2 top 4 dman in the line up with the money available, they will be a better team whatever what.

 

[rumman]

JT's a part of the core. He is the supposed leader and veteran presence who was supposed to guide the core.

Why is it so wrong and unthinkable to expect and want the team to hold him accountable? And if they don't, then isn't it emblematic of this team's extremely flawed and frankly pathetic approach to running a team?

This also holds true for 34, 16, 88, and 44, but I doubt many will admit each is as culpable as JT is in the teams consistent failure...............

 

[Brobust]

This also holds true for 34, 16, 88, and 44, but I doubt many will admit each is as culpable as JT is in the teams consistent failure...............

Yeah, of course. At various times, all of them disappointed horribly. But they're locked in with 3 of the 5. Potentially they are locked in with 16 and 91 as well.

 

[Fogelhund]

Just a note to keep in mind here... as we all discuss voting Marner off the Island... part of the premise should be... that Domi seems to be pretty adept at feeding Matthews pucks too.... That we can get similar results for less.

Some reports suggest Domi is asking for $6 million, which really is well outside of his worth.

So, we might walk away from overpaying Domi, and might trade and walk away from overpaying Marner.... so who is the replacement setup guy?

 

[keonsbitterness]

JT's a part of the core. He is the supposed leader and veteran presence who was supposed to guide the core.

Why is it so wrong and unthinkable to expect and want the team to hold him accountable? And if they don't, then isn't it emblematic of this team's extremely flawed and frankly pathetic approach to running a team?

Wrong has nothing to do with it. Reality is JT is far less likely to waive than Marner.

 

[TMLAM34]

Just a note to keep in mind here... as we all discuss voting Marner off the Island... part of the premise should be... that Domi seems to be pretty adept at feeding Matthews pucks too.... That we can get similar results for less.

Some reports suggest Domi is asking for $6 million, which really is well outside of his worth.

So, we might walk away from overpaying Domi, and might trade and walk away from overpaying Marner.... so who is the replacement setup guy?

No team is paying Domi 6 million, especially with term. Ideally we re-sign him for 4 or less but I would be willing to go up to 4.5 with term if Marner is moved. I think that gets the deal done. Max wants to stay.

 

[Brobust]

Wrong has nothing to do with it. Reality is JT is far less likely to waive than Marner.

Disagree. Similar to Marner, if the leafs are unwilling to extend him then there is a decent chance that he could waive.

 

[ACC1224]

Wrong has nothing to do with it. Reality is JT is far less likely to waive than Marner.

Nothing is ever 100% but Tavares not waiving is pretty much 100% certainty.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Just a note to keep in mind here... as we all discuss voting Marner off the Island... part of the premise should be... that Domi seems to be pretty adept at feeding Matthews pucks too.... That we can get similar results for less.

Some reports suggest Domi is asking for $6 million, which really is well outside of his worth.

So, we might walk away from overpaying Domi, and might trade and walk away from overpaying Marner.... so who is the replacement setup guy?

Not to discount either Marner or Domi but if you're feeding Matthews, your assists will look good. We can find someone else if need be.

Nothing is ever 100% but Tavares not waiving is pretty much 100% certainty.

It would really need to be worth his while, a destination he wants to go and maybe an extension as apart of the deal.

He's got kids etc but so does everyone else and it's off-season, far easier to move. If we tell him he's not being extended here, he's going to need to move regardless. If Nashville is willing to trade for him and give him another 2-3 year deal extension, maybe that gets him to budge?

Purely hypothetical but if it was me and I know I am not back anyway, at least I know I am going somewhere else that wants me and I have additional years there already taken care of.

 

[ACC1224]

Not to discount either Marner or Domi but if you're feeding Matthews, your assists will look good. We can find someone else if need be.



It would really need to be worth his while, a destination he wants to go and maybe an extension as apart of the deal.

He's got kids etc but so does everyone else and it's off-season, far easier to move. If we tell him he's not being extended here, he's going to need to move regardless. If Nashville is willing to trade for him and give him another 2-3 year deal extension, maybe that gets him to budge?

Purely hypothetical but if it was me and I know I am not back anyway, at least I know I am going somewhere else that wants me and I have additional years there already taken care of.

I think he would just play out the year and re-evaluate.

 

[ULF_55]

How much is Scarborough's Tofolli going to get?
32 years old.

 

[ULF_55]

I think he would just play out the year and re-evaluate.

Yeah.

Tavares really controls his own destiny.

He isn't getting an 8 year contract so sign and trade has no benefit.

 

[Fogelhund]

Not to discount either Marner or Domi but if you're feeding Matthews, your assists will look good. We can find someone else if need be.

Kane? 3 years @ $3mil?

 

[mydnyte]

I'm not agree marner should leave .

Exemple Bertuzzi finished at 4 pts... look great on paper, but in reality he did absolutly nothing in any of those goal including his goal ( where the puck just touch his skate accidentally and goes in) except maybe a trip uncall.

Domi the same thing, you watched there stats okay great 1 goal 3 assis amaizing... but what he really did offensively who provise goal? send the puck in an empty net after matthews hit the post, win a faceoff, dump the puck in the air and saw matthews making an amaizing play? Both Domi and Bertuzzi didn't provide any real offence and i didn't talk about penalties they took who cost goal.

When i heard we would trade the core and bring more player like this Bertuzzi, Domi and thinking that will make leafs better... Right now Toronto having money available,if they are able to bring in 2 top 4 dman in the line up with the money available, they will be a better team whatever what.

Bieksa made a great comment last night, and I wish he named Bertuzzi in his example.
It was his rant about tape on the tick blade, and how you cannot control the puck at the NHL level without tape on your blade. They showed Benn with minimal tape as an extreme example. but, Bertuzzi uses NO TAPE at all, and this is perhaps why he cant handle the puck or accept a pass or make a pass. ...that and his piss poor hockey sense.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I think he would just play out the year and re-evaluate.

That's probably the more likely scenario, I don't think he's retiring this young and will keep playing. I think the scenario I outlined is one of the few that may get him to budge. The odds though? Lowwwwww

Kane? 3 years @ $3mil?

Kane did 2.75M for a year with Detroit and I know they want more term but I think I can maybe get to 3M for 2 years, he's really bad defensively but our PP would probably be a lot better.

Apparently him and Matthews were in contact for a few years there where the Olympics looked like a possibility and wanted to play together.

 

[LeafParade]

How much is Scarborough's Tofolli going to get?
32 years old.

If they are throwing around 36 year old Perron around in rumors, Toffoli is a better bet. But it will obviously depend on price.

 

[rumman]

If they are throwing around 36 year old Perron around in rumors, Toffoli is a better bet. But it will obviously depend on price.

Lets find younger version of these players that still have room to develop and will come cheaper……..

 

[keonsbitterness]

Disagree. Similar to Marner, if the leafs are unwilling to extend him then there is a decent chance that he could waive.

Moot point. The Leafs have no incentive to extend him now and won't threaten not to.

 

[Fogelhund]

Lets find younger version of these players that still have room to develop and will come cheaper……..

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[rumman]

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Well your not going to find them amongst the pending UFA’s are you? Nic Roy and Keegan Kolarsar immediately come to mind……..

 

[ULF_55]

If they are throwing around 36 year old Perron around in rumors, Toffoli is a better bet. But it will obviously depend on price.

Lets find younger version of these players that still have room to develop and will come cheaper……..

The player does have to be available and affordable ... unless they can find trade pieces to get them.

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[Torontonian]

If they are throwing around 36 year old Perron around in rumors, Toffoli is a better bet. But it will obviously depend on price.

Toffoli / Perron / Arvidsson / Domi / Olafsson / Duclair are the type of forwards Toronto should be targeting for their middle 6 in FA, that should cost them 3m to 3.5m

If Toronto can walk away from FA with Skeji and Tanev and a forward mentioned above for middle 6 role they will be in okay shape.

Toronto has alot of NHL forwards right now and this is without getting rid of anyone off the roster....

Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Arvidsson - Jt - Marner
Robertson - Holmberg - McMann
Dewar - Kampf - Jankrok
Reaves

Rielly - Tanev
McCabe - Skeji
Beniot - Lilly

 

[thusk]

Bieksa made a great comment last night, and I wish he named Bertuzzi in his example.
It was his rant about tape on the tick blade, and how you cannot control the puck at the NHL level without tape on your blade. They showed Benn with minimal tape as an extreme example. but, Bertuzzi uses NO TAPE at all, and this is perhaps why he cant handle the puck or accept a pass or make a pass. ...that and his piss poor hockey sense.

Bertuzzi playing hard...that's it... but hoe many time the play finish when he touched the puck?

Bertuzzi is worst than Bunting in my mind and will cost probably more than bunting to keep him. Just keep put Mcmann on Bertuzzi spot and spend his salary to upgrape de the D