GDT: Trades & Free Agency -- Off-season edition

[Lightsol]

I hope Berube isn't as...well, frankly,,,,,as dumb as a lot of the posts I see.

Posters on here think Nylander will have a problem with Berube because they think Berube wants Nylander to play like a plough horse when he is a thoroughbred?

I swear critical thinking is gone forever.

I think Berube will have a problem with Nylander because even now, Nylander seems to see defense as optional way too much.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Muskoka 4 is killing it.

New age Leafs fans should just cheer on contracts. Highest paid player is our new Stanley Cup

There are already a few people on this board that basically claim to not care about playoff results because "playoffs are a crapshoot."

 

[1specter]

I hope Berube isn't as...well, frankly,,,,,as dumb as a lot of the posts I see.

Posters on here think Nylander will have a problem with Berube because they think Berube wants Nylander to play like a plough horse when he is a thoroughbred?

I swear critical thinking is gone forever.

There are also lots of morons who want to get rid of Rielly when transition from the defense has been terribad with this team and Berube has specifically mentioned wanting to play more north-south hockey, which is exactly the type of hockey that Rielly plays best in. When the Leafs played more north-south in Babcock's last few years Rielly had the best years of his career.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

There are also lots of morons who want to get rid of Rielly when transition from the defense has been terribad with this team and Berube has specifically mentioned wanting to play more north-south hockey, which is exactly the type of hockey that Rielly plays best in. When the Leafs played more north-south in Babcock's last few years Rielly had the best years of his career.

Exactly my worry about hypothetically trading Rielly.

We already lack guys that can transition the puck and now we want to dump another one?

 

[mydnyte]

Carolina is a budget conscious team, I'd think they'd have interest as a 1 year thing, but they aren't giving Marner 2+ million more than there currently highest paid players to be there 3rd best player.

Any return would need to reflect that.

Marner would be their best player, and lets not lie to ourselves about it. I know its popular to rag on him and diminish his skills/abilities.

Aho is a better scorer than Marner, and he plays C, but, Marner is still better.
Marner on the Canes is still a 95+ point player, while Aho on the Leafs may even have his production go down, as he'd not get as many looks.

Personally, i think we keep Marner, and i'd love to see him moved to C. If smaller players like Aho and Bedard can play C, it should be easy for Marner, since he was often playing as a center before drafted, and he's solid defensively.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner would be their best player, and lets not lie to ourselves about it. I know its popular to rag on him and diminish his skills/abilities.

Aho is a better scorer than Marner, and he plays C, but, Marner is still better.
Marner on the Canes is still a 95+ point player, while Aho on the Leafs may even have his production go down, as he'd not get as many looks.

Personally, i think we keep Marner, and i'd love to see him moved to C. If smaller players like Aho and Bedard can play C, it should be easy for Marner, since he was often playing as a center before drafted, and he's solid defensively.

I'll take Aho at his cap hit over Marner.

Marner

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Where is my boy @Fogelhund
with the projection for McCabe's next contract?

 

[TMLAM34]

I would like a package from Utah more but Seattle seems like the most likely, their offer can help us now and in the future.

To Toronto: Jamie Oleksiak + Carson Rehkopf + 1st Rounder
To Seattle: Mitch Marner

 

[Fogelhund]

Where is my boy @Fogelhund
with the projection for McCabe's next contract?

He isn't a UFA this year, so he isn't included in the projections.

If he puts up 30 points again, and is near +20, continues to play well, $5 mil wouldn't shock me...

I would like a package from Utah more but Seattle seems like the most likely, their offer can help us now and in the future.

To Toronto: Jamie Oleksiak + Carson Rehkopf + 1st Rounder
To Seattle: Mitch Marner

I counter with Wright + 1st.

 

[VanW27]

Marner would be their best player, and lets not lie to ourselves about it. I know its popular to rag on him and diminish his skills/abilities.

Aho is a better scorer than Marner, and he plays C, but, Marner is still better.
Marner on the Canes is still a 95+ point player, while Aho on the Leafs may even have his production go down, as he'd not get as many looks.

Personally, i think we keep Marner, and i'd love to see him moved to C. If smaller players like Aho and Bedard can play C, it should be easy for Marner, since he was often playing as a center before drafted, and he's solid defensively.

Aho had 89 pts on the Canes last year, which was 22pts more than any other Hurricane.

Marner had 85pts, 3rd on the Leafs and 22pts behind the team lead.

If anything the argument should be Marners offense goes down playing on the Canes when he doesn't get stapled to the best goal scorer in the game. Maybe Ahos would too on the Leafs but that's simply because he's a centre and wouldn't get the luxury of playing beside Matthews.

If Marner could play C at the NHL level he would have by now, at least some. There's a reason he's never played centre at all. Instead we've used Nylander or Kerfoot or Domi when we needed a top 6 centre and never Marner.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

He isn't a UFA this year, so he isn't included in the projections.

If he puts up 30 points again, and is near +20, continues to play well, $5 mil wouldn't shock me...


I counter with Wright + 1st.

I think he's making 4M now? I'd extend him this offseason at 5M for a few years if that's on the table

 

[mydnyte]

Aho had 89 pts on the Canes last year, which was 22pts more than any other Hurricane.

Marner had 85pts, 3rd on the Leafs and 22pts behind the team lead.

If anything the argument should be Marners offense goes down playing on the Canes when he doesn't get stapled to the best goal scorer in the game. Maybe Ahos would too on the Leafs but that's simply because he's a centre and wouldn't get the luxury of playing beside Matthews.

If Marner could play C at the NHL level he would have by now, at least some. There's a reason he's never played centre at all. Instead we've used Nylander or Kerfoot or Domi when we needed a top 6 centre and never Marner.

this was Marner in a self admitted off year in 69 games on the 2nd line (mostly) and Aho in 78 on the top line ...he easily would have outpointed Aho again, like he has every season they have been in the league. I like Aho as a player, but, he is not as good as Marner.
If someone finally smacks some sense into Marner and makes him take more shots, he'll score higher also. Aho's career high in goals is 38, Marner's is 35 when he slightly shot more often, then reverted back to a non shooter for whatever reason.

 

[TMLAM34]

I wonder if Buffalo would be a destination Marner would consider waiving too? He’d be close to home/family. They would low key be a solid trading partner if Treliving wants to make more of a “hockey trade” when it comes to Marner.

To Toronto: Dylan Cozens + Mattias Samuelsson + 2nd Round Draft Pick
To Buffalo: Mitch Marner

 

[WTFMAN99]

I wonder if Buffalo would be a destination Marner would consider waiving too? He’d be close to home/family. They would low key be a solid trading partner if Treliving wants to make more of a “hockey trade” when it comes to Marner.

To Toronto: Dylan Cozens + Mattias Samuelsson + 2nd Round Draft Pick
To Buffalo: Mitch Marner

I don't think he'd waive for Buffalo and they're pretty loaded at wing in Buffalo but if this was offered and Marner was willing to waive? Yes, I would take this, I actually think I would be willing to add Liljegren to this if they asked.

 

[TMLAM34]

I don't think he'd waive for Buffalo and they're pretty loaded at wing in Buffalo but if this was offered and Marner was willing to waive? Yes, I would take this, I actually think I would be willing to add Liljegren to this if they asked.

They are a little thin down the middle at the moment but they do have a few really good center prospects coming up. I always felt Cozens has played better on the right wing than center as well and his faceoff ability isn’t very good. Even if we acquired Cozens I would still look into signing Stephenson.

 

[Rielly4]

Columbus makes a lot of sense for us IMO. We need young players and they have a ton on the blueline and up front and even some good vets we could grab. The question is would Marner waive there? Probably not but....Kent Johnson would be a great add, Mateychuck, Jiricek, 4th Overall, Jenner all would be great pieces to add.

 

[Gabriel426]

If mark stone making problem as comparaison, just take Patrice Bergeron

i'm not agree. go back and watch highlight of 2018 playoff when he was playing with plekanec/marleau.

When your opponent is in his box in good position and just waiting, it will be harder for EVERYONE ( not only Marner) to create anything offensively and i think is the #1 issue with leafs offensive under Keefe. Leafs was playing trap with minimum of risk to rry ti never be caught out of position. If you able to put good pressure and get your opponent out of position, you will be able to create yourself space in the offensive end and making play bit taking risk to goving up scoring chance. If you always playing safe mode, you will not give up a lot but you will not creating a lot of offensive. And that's why whatever who they bring in, leafs depht are never able to produce

Goal from leafs last 3 game.

-McCabe screen shot who find his way into traffic.
-Knies goal bouncing puck going right into knies stick.
-weak blue line shot deflected in his own goal
-Carlo just felt in the corner and leafs get a free 2v1.

they scored only 5 goal and 4 of 5 goal leafs scored was nothing else than pure luck. That's not resulting of 1 player but all the team.

If you need to go back to 2018 to mention any player being effective, that’s not a good look.

I never said Leafs struggle was due to MM but rather just MM struggle in the playoffs.

 

[thusk]

If you need to go back to 2018 to mention any player being effective, that’s not a good look.

I never said Leafs struggle was due to MM but rather just MM struggle in the playoffs.

Every leafs player struggling to score, they played 5 different team under keefe and they struggled to score against 4 of those 5 team and that's including pretty average team like columbus and montreal

bottom 6 during 4 of last 5
2020 2 goal
2021 4 goal
2022 3 goal
2024 1 goal

it's 1 goal every 2 game and half coming off the depht. It's not just a question of core or whatever. Leafs was unable to generate anything offensively under keefe.

 

[Gabriel426]

Every leafs player struggling to score, they played 5 different team under keefe and they struggled to score against 4 of those 5 team and that's including pretty average team like columbus and montreal

bottom 6 during 4 of last 5
2020 2 goal
2021 4 goal
2022 3 goal
2024 1 goal

it's 1 goal every 2 game and half coming off the depht. It's not just a question of core or whatever. Leafs was unable to generate anything offensively under keefe.

1. The built of the Leafs was relying on the core to score
2. The Core were paid to score
3. The Core could not score
4. Are you really expecting Revo, Dewar and other 4th liners to provide offence in the playoffs instead of AM, MM, and JT scoring more than a goal each in the playoffs.

Coaching is a problem
Depth is a problem
Core is still a problem

 

[Zero1]

There are some rumours floating around that there’s locker room issues in Ottawa.

Praying that Brady for Mitch happens.

They need a player that gets them to the playoffs and the Leafs need a player that can play in the playoffs. Win-win.

 

[Brobust]

There are some rumours floating around that there’s locker room issues in Ottawa.

Praying that Brady for Mitch happens.

They need a player that gets them to the playoffs and the Leafs need a player that can play in the playoffs. Win-win.

Guys a bigger crybaby bitch than Mitch.

 

[Gabriel426]

Guys a bigger crybaby bitch than Mitch.

Guess we should send JT their way for Brady as Sens sounds like a team that needs to learn some lessons

 

[TMLAM34]

I mentioned before that I think Detroit could be a real serious player for a Marner trade. I would love Danielson to be apart of this deal but I think Tre would be looking to acquire ready now players.

To Toronto: Lucas Raymond + Simon Edvinsson + BOS 1st Round Draft Pick
To Detroit: Mitch Marner

We would have the 15th and 23rd pick, we could keep both or package the two to get into the top 10.

 

[Americanadian]

I mentioned before that I think Detroit could be a real serious player for a Marner trade. I would love Danielson to be apart of this deal but I think Tre would be looking to acquire ready now players.

To Toronto: Lucas Raymond + Simon Edvinsson + BOS 1st Round Draft Pick
To Detroit: Mitch Marner

We would have the 15th and 23rd pick, we could keep both or package the two to get into the top 10.

I’m not sure if Detroit would give up any 2 of those pieces together, let alone 3.

 

[thusk]

1. The built of the Leafs was relying on the core to score
2. The Core were paid to score
3. The Core could not score
4. Are you really expecting Revo, Dewar and other 4th liners to provide offence in the playoffs instead of AM, MM, and JT scoring more than a goal each in the playoffs.

Coaching is a problem
Depth is a problem
Core is still a problem

The hole team can't score!!!

cap hit from bottom 6 of toronto and boston was basically the same, the fact leafs core is paying high price doesn't justify the fact nobody outside of the core are able to provide anything offensively.

And why they are unable to provide any kind of offence? They didn't took any risk at all. That's helped to hide defensive issues but that's completly broke the offensive of EVERY BODY IN THE TEAM. When you never really take any risk and and never put pressure on opposite D and get your d never be involve offensively, good luck to score against a good defensive team and/or great goalie. Leafs forechecking is inexistant.

Honestly for me playing a system like this, your strwnght need to be your goalie ( like ir was the case with NJ with Brodeur) or d but its never be the case for Toronto.

ps i didn't said core was good enough or whatever, but more i watch it and more i don't think keefe system was a right fit for Toronto. They tried with that system to win with leafs Weakness, D+ goalie with low scoring game and forgot all their strenghts. If toronto want to win, a little bit like Edmonton ... its should start with the offensive, it's where they are good.