Trades and UFA’s - Trade Deadline Edition
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ULF_55
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Why?
This would be 3 years past draft for Minten.
Knies is playing this year.
marner was in the year after being drafted, and he's not a big boy even today.
There seems to be fear about playing prospects with the Leafs.
Only other teams can give opportunities to prospects?
It should be about earning the position.
Buds17
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"Both" might be a stretch; "either" might not be.
ULF_55
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It would be surprising if Minten did not start the season with the Leafs.
Of course he'll be able to play with the Marlies, so it isn't Leafs or junior.
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Rare Jewel
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Marner was a 4th overall pick, and he isn't Knies, who is a winger with a late birthday coming from the NCAA, where he is playing against guys in their 20s already.
Also, Usage. You're taking a 20-year-old kid who plays top line (20+min) in the WHL+ PP time to then a much more balanced/defensive role at a higher level on the Leafs, given how you would prefer to use Matthews and JT's lines. I just it's better for him to play as a top 6 center for the Marlies for at least one season anyway.
ULF_55
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If he doesn't earn it at training camp he doesn't deserve it.
Right?
It's about accountability.
And where a player is picked isn't a determining factor, outside of teams who keep giving high picks more opportunities than lower picks to justify their own bias.
Again, if he's better than the competition for his position, you keep him. He can always spend time with the Marlies after the fact.
Unlike Cowan, they'll have options.
Rare Jewel
Patience
It is if it's 4th overall. You would expect him to make it nearly right away.
On Minten, sure.
However, from him, the 3rd line C spot isn't an insignificant one. So, for a team that sees itself as a contender, is it best to have a 20-year-old rookie in that spot that he's pretty unfamiliar with or to trade/sign someone who's 25+ and has already been in that role or something akin to it.?
I think it would be best for him to start in the A, where he'll have a chance to further develop all parts of his game.
ULF_55
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Of course it doesn't matter what we think.
We don't know who he has to beat out, nor do we know he'd be playing center.
He's playing wing for Canada right?
We want him to be a center long term, but doesn't mean he starts there.
Edit: Draft position doesn't make a player better. I'd take Aho over most of the 1st. round picks. Getting picked in the 1st. round didn't make Crouse better.
Rare Jewel
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Sure, but it certainly guides your expectations of a player, particularly with Marner, who is a 4th overall winger.
ULF_55
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Yes, marner was a great choice.
Hard to say he was the best choice, but he was a great choice and expectations were high based on that choice.
He actually wasn’t the right selection or atleast they should have pivoted off of some young wingers to acquire the d that babs wanted and knew we needed after selecting marner
ULF_55
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There was that rumoured deal, where they were to move down and garner another couple high picks.
Could they have landed ZWerenski ++?
Martin Skoula
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There’s a world where we have Matthews-Rantanen, Aho-Nylander, and Carlo.
Leaf Rocket
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A player that I wish we could’ve gotten was Jason Dickinson guy always has a gear to give and I’ve heard he’s just a great voice to have in the locker.
Also man… if somehow we can pry fabbro away from predators… it’ll be pretty awesome.
Also man… if somehow we can pry fabbro away from predators… it’ll be pretty awesome.
Who was a clearly better choice? Rantanen is the only one I can see (6.4. goals > assists) but outside of him I think it’s pretty clear
McDavid.
Eichel/marner/rant
Aho
The rest unless I am missing someone crazy
Rare Jewel
Patience
I agree but it comes to need number one center or patric Kane like winger in marner or power forward rant
ULF_55
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Good question.
There are several comparable players, some haven't been blessed with the best scoring center in the league to play with.
Does it really matter, whatever name someone brings up, it isn't like there'd be an unbiased reply on this board. Mind you there wouldn't be an unbiased reply on the main board. Such is the nature of the beast in the NHL and the "center of the hockey universe."
ZWerenski, Rantanen, Aho, and Connor might be options. No the other Connor, the one in Winnipeg. The same applies to Eichel though.
TheDoldrums
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my favourite will always be how the bruins always messed up by not drafting Barzal... I was so happy that year
Minten they can send to the marlies if he isn't ready but I think he is .
Cowen they can give him 10 games if he isn't ready send him back to the Knights but again I think he will be ready.
Both of these players will learn from our pros
And won't learn bad habits in junior or the ahl.
They are very smart and mature for there age
Also they were garenteed a spot on the wj team, that says alot about what other people think.
Boston's young center Poitras is doing great.
CelticDruid
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I don't think he's our priority sadly but if we move on from Domi I think he'll be a good call to replace.
High chance is we will focus more on the backend in the upcoming free agency.
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