Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[leafsfan2point0]

Not sure if posted already

 

[meefer]

DeMelo is not an improvement on Holl. Most guys we can get are not improvements on him, and those who are will be expensive.

Sandin will also be in this lineup full time or will be traded.

I would expect that Sandin is included in a trade to upgrade the 2nd pair LD. For whom, and what total cost, I don't know. If Gavrikov, would a package of Sandin, a 2nd and one of our C prospects suffice/an overpayment? It's not that I don't appreciate Sandin's potential, I just don't think he's/will be good enough this year.

DeMelo was at one time an analytics darling, supposedly quite good at preventing zone entries, etc., but had zero O zone contributions. I'm not as down as some are on Holl, could he assume a 3rd pair role with Gio and do well? My concern is he's asked to play too high when given 1st or 2nd pairing minutes, mainly 2nd. I can live with Rielly and Brodie as our 1st, especially since Rielly's game improves in the playoffs. Liljegren with the right partner could well, imo, succeed as our 2nd pair.

If Holl and Gio can successfully play 3rd pair minutes, that lessens our needs. I can live with Kral, Mete and Benn as our depth.

 

[I am Canadian]

To Columbus: Sandin
To Leafs: Matt Roy
To LA: Gavrikov

To Leafs: Murphy
To Chicago: 1st or prospect

Rielly - Roy
Giordano - Liljegren
Brodie - Murphy

Holl & Benn as extras

No real defined #1 pair, a bunch of #2 worthy pairing though. If Leafs can hold Sandin and still get both these guys even better.

 

[arso40]

To Columbus: Sandin
To Leafs: Matt Roy
To LA: Gavrikov

To Leafs: Murphy
To Chicago: 1st or prospect

Rielly - Roy
Giordano - Liljegren
Brodie - Murphy

Holl & Benn as extras

No real defined #1 pair, a bunch of #2 worthy pairing though. If Leafs can hold Sandin and still get both these guys even better.

I agree I just wonder what it would cost if we kept Sandin

 

[Americanadian]

To Columbus: Sandin
To Leafs: Matt Roy
To LA: Gavrikov

To Leafs: Murphy
To Chicago: 1st or prospect

Rielly - Roy
Giordano - Liljegren
Brodie - Murphy

Holl & Benn as extras

No real defined #1 pair, a bunch of #2 worthy pairing though. If Leafs can hold Sandin and still get both these guys even better.

This is the best proposal yet. Leafs get 2 RHD with term. That lineup looks good.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Wonder what the cost for Gavrikov is

1st + 3rd is what most Jackets fans have said near the deadline.

 

[TMLAM34]

If we were able to speak and come to a contract extension with Gavrikov before trading for him, I’d be willing to trade Sandin in a deal for him.

I’d still look in trading for McCabe with Chicago retaining 1 million.

Rielly - McCabe
Gavrikov - Liljegren
Giordano - Brodie

That’s one heck of a blueline.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

DeMelo is not an improvement on Holl. Most guys we can get are not improvements on him, and those who are will be expensive.

Sandin will also be in this lineup full time or will be traded.

Demelo is Winnipegs best defensive D, he is a massive upgrade on Holl.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Not sure if posted already

I've been advocating for Gavrikov since Muzz went down. Most Jackets fans say 1st + 3rd near the deadline because they have a ton of injuries on the back end.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I know everyone gets excited about defenders but acquiring two top 4 D is over kill in my opinion. We can fill 3 holes if we use our assets properly. As an example targeting ROR, Barbashev, and Murphy or Jeannot, Scissons, and Gavrikov.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Columbus has the worst luck retaining Russians. Gavrikov or Zub would be great. I suspect at least one of them ends up in Florida though.

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Michael Rasmussen
To Detroit: Pontus Holmberg + Pierre Engvall

To Toronto: Jake McCabe (1 million retained)
To Chicago: 2024 2nd Rounder + Justin Holl + Nicholas Abruzzese

To Toronto: Vladislav Gavrikov
To Columbus: Rasmus Sandin + Mikhail Abramov



Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Kerfoot - Tavares - Marner
Jarnkrok - Rasmussen - Malgin
Aston Reese - Kampf - Anderson

Rielly - McCabe
Gavrikov - Liljegren
Giordano - Brodie

Samsonov - Murray


We’ll also add Knies once his season is finished. Ideally he slots on the third line to start off with Rasmussen and Jarnkrok. Then whoever is doing better between Anderson and Malgin can stick on the fourth line.

 

[ULF_55]

To Columbus: Sandin
To Leafs: Matt Roy
To LA: Gavrikov

To Leafs: Murphy
To Chicago: 1st or prospect

Rielly - Roy
Giordano - Liljegren
Brodie - Murphy

Holl & Benn as extras

No real defined #1 pair, a bunch of #2 worthy pairing though. If Leafs can hold Sandin and still get both these guys even better.

I don't think Giordano can handle 2nd. pair, and he looks to be struggling a bit when he's on the ice now.

I think he needs days off.

 

[The Podium]

I know everyone gets excited about defenders but acquiring two top 4 D is over kill in my opinion. We can fill 3 holes if we use our assets properly. As an example targeting ROR, Barbashev, and Murphy or Jeannot, Scissons, and Gavrikov.

Realistically this is our ideal lineup

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander/Marner
XXXX - Tavares - Nylander/Marner
XXXX - XXXX - Jarnkrok (not going anywhere)
ZAR - Kampf - Malgin
Holmberg

Reilly - Brodie
XXXX - Lilly
Giordano - Holl/Sandin

Murray/Samsonov

Now one of those LW spots likely gets taken by Knies

Kerfoot and Engvall should be dealt A) because they are redundant in this lineup, B) capitalize on value of pending UFAs; Total = 5.75 mill

So realistically we can have upwards of 11 mill to play with at the deadline, for a LW, 3C and #4D

 

[notdoneyet]

I still think we need 3 scoring lines
I think willy can now run his own line
Get kane and mccabe retained
Trade engval sandin whatever B prospects and draft picks

Bunting matthews kane
Kane would be jacked to play with another American in matthews
Knies tavares marner
Kerfoot janrok nylander
This line could really take advantage of the opposition 5/6 D
Fill in whatever for fourth line
Energy:shutdown line
ZAR kampf malgin
Extras clifford Simmonds

Reilly brodie
Mccabe lilly
Benn Holl
Mete

 

[SprDaVE]

I just don't see how Gavrikov really makes us all that much better. He's left handed and a bottom pairing defenseman if we're all healthy (minus Muzzin). I'm just not feeling it at all and I'd be surprised if the Leafs more or less waste their time with an average addition.

 

[The Podium]

I just don't see how Gavrikov really makes us all that much better. He's left handed and a bottom pairing defenseman if we're all healthy (minus Muzzin). I'm just not feeling it at all and I'd be surprised if the Leafs more or less waste their time with an average addition.

A smooth skating rugged defenseman who can clear the crease and block shots. Probably more of a true #4, but I definitely see the appeal.

Gavrikov - Lilly would be a solid pairing as they each cover the lacking attributes of the other.

The only thing is the cost, to me he’s not a 1st+ type of acquisition

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I just don't see how Gavrikov really makes us all that much better. He's left handed and a bottom pairing defenseman if we're all healthy (minus Muzzin). I'm just not feeling it at all and I'd be surprised if the Leafs more or less waste their time with an average addition.

Also he's not as physical as people think, and people think he will be asking for Scott Mayfield money (4-5m).

Just feels like the wrong add.

 

[Dreakmur]

What about Karlsson at 7.5 and then trade Rielly for a top 6 winger and 3C.
Add a Murphy or Gavrikov as well

Brodie Karlsson
Giordano Murphy
Sandin Lilly

I think it would be pretty expensive to get San Jose to retain 20 million over the next 5 years.

 

[SprDaVE]

A smooth skating rugged defenseman who can clear the crease and block shots. Probably more of a true #4, but I definitely see the appeal.

Gavrikov - Lilly would be a solid pairing as they each cover the lacking attributes of the other.

The only thing is the cost, to me he’s not a 1st+ type of acquisition

I really don't think he'll clear much of anything infront of the net. He'll block shots, but Jordie Benn can block shots. Victor Mete can block shots. It's not much of a skill to have.

I like him for what he provides but I think the Leafs have a much bigger hole higher in the lineup, someone that can contribute at both ends of the ice. Or at the very least someone with experience of playing tough minutes. This is why Lyubushkin kinda fell off, he was terrible at everything else other than hitting (still a good addition for Ritchie).

You could sit out Sandin for him I guess but I feel like it's really not... great. And the Leafs still have an influx of LHD. I know why people like him, I just disagree that he's a great or big time acquisition, more or less shuffling the chairs.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I'd look to make our adds to this Roster as soon as possible. The easiest way to do this is to trade with a team that knows its out of contention already, that team is Chicago. Kane + Murphy make this team a top 3 contender for the cup.
To
Chicago
2023 1st
2024 1st Top ten protected
Robertson
Kral
2024 2nd
Kerfoot
Engvall

To
Toronto
Kane 50% retained
Murphy


Bunting. Matthews. Kane
Nylander. Tavares. Marner
Malgin. Kampf. Zar
Knies. Holmberg. Jarnkrok

Reilly. Murphy
Gio. Brodie
Sandin. Liljegren
Benn. Holl

Murray
Samsonov

 

[justashadowof]

The Leafs (and me) seem to love themselves a big rugged Russian defender yet have literally drafted one Russian defender in the past 18 drafts (Rinat Valiev, Fedor Gordeev was raised in Toronto).

 

[1specter]

I really don't think he'll clear much of anything infront of the net. He'll block shots, but Jordie Benn can block shots. Victor Mete can block shots. It's not much of a skill to have.

I like him for what he provides but I think the Leafs have a much bigger hole higher in the lineup, someone that can contribute at both ends of the ice. Or at the very least someone with experience of playing tough minutes. This is why Lyubushkin kinda fell off, he was terrible at everything else other than hitting (still a good addition for Ritchie).

You could sit out Sandin for him I guess but I feel like it's really not... great. And the Leafs still have an influx of LHD. I know why people like him, I just disagree that he's a great or big time acquisition, more or less shuffling the chairs.

We need someone good at puck retrieval

Also from The Athletic:

When it comes to the Leafs and T.J. Brodie, we find that Brodie, despite playing more often against tough forwards (who are far more likely to attempt to gain the blue line with control than depth forwards), actually stops more controlled entries against than any other player on the Leafs except Rasmus Sandin. When attacking players attempt to enter against Brodie, they are successful 49 percent of the time, compared to 54 percent of the time against the rest of the Leafs group. This doesn’t seem like a huge margin, but consider that the other defenders on the Leafs that consistently play against top competition are much worse in this regard

 

[justashadowof]

I just don't see how Gavrikov really makes us all that much better. He's left handed and a bottom pairing defenseman if we're all healthy (minus Muzzin). I'm just not feeling it at all and I'd be surprised if the Leafs more or less waste their time with an average addition.

The left side thing is definitely not ideal but he is definitely not a bottom pairing defender. He plays similar minutes to Muzzin's. He's a direct replacement for Jake Muzzin. And undoubtedly Sandin would be going in the other direction.

 

[TMLAM34]

You’d also probably be able to lock up Gavrikov to a long term extension at around 4.5 million per year. 8x4.5per. Gavrikov - Liljegren would be a nice physical pairing for years to come.

What do others think it would take to acquire Gavrikov?

To Toronto: Vladislav Gavrikov
To Columbus: Rasmus Sandin + Mikhail Abramov

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