Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Fogelhund]

What spot are the Coyotes ending up in this year?

They are currently the leading contender for the 4th OA pick.

 

[stickty111]

I have a nagging feeling he isn't re-signing in Toronto, I think his landing spot is Los Angeles. Not that it matters but he was born in Cali and it seems he likes show business people and you can't discount the way better weather. By the time his contract concludes the Kings are going to have a ton of room and if they don't Anaheim and/or San Jose will.

I love watching him score goals but for the player it's all about the name on the back and not really the crest on the front. I don't think there is a player in any pro sport that doesn't want to win but it's not necessarily the #1 priority for every player. It's only the fan that sees the crest and championships as the most important thing.

There is no evidence he is considering leaving. We can get to that point if it happens but right now no need to be worried. If you want to shake up the team, Matthews is the last thing you look at.
Do you think Oilers fans would say we need to trade McDavid to give a message?
I think you are just being negative. I get it but lets be reasonable

 

[Gabriel426]

I see Quinn Hughes' name on the trade boards and seriously stopped to wonder if he might be a smart fit for Toronto. He's essentially the high IQ, LHD playmaking, PP QB defenseman that the Leafs seem to love drafting at high volume in mid rounds, but is actually the high end, real deal. Kind of like Mitch Marner from the blueline with a seeing eye shot.

Not sure what it would cost Toronto but with a Hughes, Rielly Top 2 that can be spread out on the specialty teams and top 2 pairings could then allow them to add less skill elements. I know the Dubas braintrust likes this style of player, so why not get the best one out there?

Quoting the Highlander when it comes to Hughes and Reilly, there could be only one.
Just look at OEL now, both Green and BB are finding it hard to fit both OEL and Hughes in the pairings as both need a RD who plays defence to cover for them. Plus they can’t use both of them on the PP at the same time.
Also any trades with the Nucks should start or end with Demko.

Actually I watched them live last night. Don’t know why BB is using Miller, Horvat, Petey and Mik as his primary PKers. And used his forth line the moment the PK is over-that reminds me of Babs.
I know they have a lot of injuries but putting your top three offensive forwards as Penalty Killers aint smart and the fact that he needs to throw out the 4th line right after a PK is quite telling.

 

[stickty111]

nor drunk, but there's a problem with the Leafs

maybe they're sick and tired of getting jobbed by the officials, maybe they're sick and tired of Keefe saying the same stuff over and over, maybe some of them have had it with getting snow tires...I mean who knows

but something's just not right

Okay but trading your franchise player doesn't solve that. Maybe you look at Marner or Nylander or even Rielly, but not Matthews.

 

[Stephen]

nor drunk, but there's a problem with the Leafs

maybe they're sick and tired of getting jobbed by the officials, maybe they're sick and tired of Keefe saying the same stuff over and over, maybe some of them have had it with getting snow tires...I mean who knows

but something's just not right

Things feel stale with the team because they kept their entire middle class intact, spent most of their cap on the Matt Murray gambit and just added a bunch of window dressing on the 4th line. It's like they had an NBA offseason adding a bunch of bench guys but the marquee is the same.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Well the only reason you trade Matthews is if he clearly indicates he is leaving in UFA. And iIf you're trading Matthews you don't do it for a "quantity" package with minimal cost controlled assets and no blue chip prospects/picks coming back. That's how you stumble into complete mediocrity. It's really bad value.

 

[Jozay]

Matthews controls his destiny, his NMC kicks in July 1. The Leafs will have to know before then that he wont sign, but I imagine his camp will not give the Leafs any clue, so that he can control where he goes.

Theres no scenario where the Leafs will even come close to getting fair value. Will be even worse if Matthews has one team he's set on going to.

 

[mccabe2424]

Muzzin just hit LTIR that's 5.6 million we can use if he's not coming back

 

[LaPlante94]

Well the only reason you trade Matthews is if he clearly indicates he is leaving in UFA. And iIf you're trading Matthews you don't do it for a "quantity" package with minimal cost controlled assets and no blue chip prospects/picks coming back. That's how you stumble into complete mediocrity. It's really bad value.

McDavid or nobody

 

[SprDaVE]

Muzzin just hit LTIR that's 5.6 million we can use if he's not coming back

Yep confirmed

 

[Menzinger]

Matthews controls his destiny, his NMC kicks in July 1. The Leafs will have to know before then that he wont sign, but I imagine his camp will not give the Leafs any clue, so that he can control where he goes.

Theres no scenario where the Leafs will even come close to getting fair value. Will be even worse if Matthews has one team he's set on going to.

If Matthews does end up having no desire to stay with the Leafs, I doubt he'd block any trades in order to stay. It would be counter productive.

 

[Americanadian]

I know Columbus is convinced that they should be a playoff team but once they fall out of the race I would love Jenner on the Leafs as 3C.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I know Columbus is convinced that they should be a playoff team but once they fall out of the race I would love Jenner on the Leafs as 3C.

I want no part of Dubas dealing with Kekalainen again.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think there will be plenty of patience in the next month or so for the team to find their groove. Some teams start slow, some start hot, etc. Last year the Leafs were god awful in October. It's mind boggling how bad they've been though again.

All that LTIR cap space is juicy though. I also don't think Holl is going to last very long at this rate, that one game where he blocked a couple shots won't save him for long. He's been terrible with the puck. Engvall is also getting to that point, he's been putrid to say the least.

 

[Leaffan1991]

Murphy and Gavrikov are my top two choices for our backend. Both can skate and bring size and physicality on the backend. Ideal defensive pairings for me would be

Rielly - Murphy
Gavrikov - Liljegren
Giordano - Brodie
Mete

That's a Stanley cup defence

 

[TMLAM34]

I know Columbus is convinced that they should be a playoff team but once they fall out of the race I would love Jenner on the Leafs as 3C.

I’d love Jenner and Gavrikov from the Jackets. A package for those two however wouldn’t be cheap. Probably need to start with a 1st, Sandin and a solid prospect.

 

[ACC1224]

I know Columbus is convinced that they should be a playoff team but once they fall out of the race I would love Jenner on the Leafs as 3C.

I wouldn’t assume they’ll fall out of the race.

Yep confirmed

Spend it!

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Leafs - Canucks
Bo Horvat & Luke Schenn
For
Alex Kerfoot, Justin Holl, 1st, 2024 2nd

Leafs - Coyotes
Pierre Engvall & Topi Niemela
For
Lawson Crouse

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Crouse - - Horvat - - Jarnkrok
ZAR - - - Kampf - - - NAK/Simmonds

Rielly - Schenn
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Liljigren

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs - Canucks
Bo Horvat & Luke Schenn
For
Alex Kerfoot, Justin Holl, 1st, 2024 2nd

Leafs - Coyotes
Pierre Engvall & Topi Niemela
For
Lawson Crouse

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Crouse - - Horvat - - Jarnkrok
ZAR - - - Kampf - - - NAK/Simmonds

Rielly - Schenn
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Liljigren

Did you check salary cap?

Unless Muzzin is permanent LTIR.

 

[RAM]

LA seems like a likely destination. They have a lot of prospects that would make sense too. Anyone want to take a crack at a 34 to LA package?

Okay how about QUINTON BYFIELD, BRANDT CLARKE, Arthur Kaliyev, 1st 2 2nds and any other pieces to make cap work and contract space

 

[Sebastien]

Leafs - Canucks
Bo Horvat & Luke Schenn
For
Alex Kerfoot, Justin Holl, 1st, 2024 2nd

Leafs - Coyotes
Pierre Engvall & Topi Niemela
For
Lawson Crouse

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Crouse - - Horvat - - Jarnkrok
ZAR - - - Kampf - - - NAK/Simmonds

Rielly - Schenn
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Liljigren

Both teams easily say no especially Arizona

 

[Sypher04]

I’m curious on the timing of putting Muzzin on LTIR. Maybe they were just letting the doctors do their thing before the commit to long term. Could be it. But, they didn’t really need the cap space yet, so you have to wonder

 

[andora]

Quoting the Highlander when it comes to Hughes and Reilly, there could be only one.
Just look at OEL now, both Green and BB are finding it hard to fit both OEL and Hughes in the pairings as both need a RD who plays defence to cover for them. Plus they can’t use both of them on the PP at the same time.
Also any trades with the Nucks should start or end with Demko.

Odd comment - OEL has been the defenceman doing the covering and has sacrificed offence because of it. The interesting stats in vancouver are whatever defenceman plays with OEL over a decent sample size gets a bit better than without OEL

I know Columbus is convinced that they should be a playoff team but once they fall out of the race I would love Jenner on the Leafs as 3C.

Have wanted him for years

Leafs - Canucks
Bo Horvat & Luke Schenn
For
Alex Kerfoot, Justin Holl, 1st, 2024 2nd

Leafs - Coyotes
Pierre Engvall & Topi Niemela
For
Lawson Crouse

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Crouse - - Horvat - - Jarnkrok
ZAR - - - Kampf - - - NAK/Simmonds

Rielly - Schenn
Sandin - Brodie
Giordano - Liljigren

The vancouver one is needing something else - a player added to the first for horvat

Okay how about QUINTON BYFIELD, BRANDT CLARKE, Arthur Kaliyev, 1st 2 2nds and any other pieces to make cap work and contract space

I think i would do that one for matthews if it came to it

 

[4thline]

Matthews controls his destiny, his NMC kicks in July 1. The Leafs will have to know before then that he wont sign, but I imagine his camp will not give the Leafs any clue, so that he can control where he goes.

Theres no scenario where the Leafs will even come close to getting fair value. Will be even worse if Matthews has one team he's set on going to.

Depends on that one team and whether they are currently competitive(ish). Trading for him would get him in their lineup a year earlier and open up the option for an 8th season. Plus they'd likely have to move decent cap out to fit him in.

Max Pacioretty is no where near Auston and got back a very high end prospect, a top 6 winger with term, and a 2nd rounder.
Karlsson would probably be closer in value, got back a recent 1st, young D with potential, young 3c, two prospects (one a recent 1st), a 1st, a 2nd, and a now illegal conditional 1st.

If it comes to pass losing him will suck, and we likely won't get full value in trade, but with a decent negotiation, a good scouting department, and a strong UFA period with the freed up cap it wouldn't have to be a disaster in the short or long term.

 

[notdoneyet]

Trade with Chicago for 50% retained for Kane and Murphy
Sandin,engvall,nielma 1st in 2023,1st in 2024

Run

Bunting Matthews kane
Knies Tavares marner
Robertson jarnrok nylander
Zak Kampf AK
Malgin simmons

Reilly Lilly
Brodie murphy
Gio holl
Mete or benn

Sam
Matt

Gone sandin engvall KERFOOT
LTIR muzzin for year and everything fits under cap