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Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

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Martin Skoula said:
Much rather keep Nylander in a vacuum but if we don’t go deep it won’t be Dubas making the trade and the goodwill he built up with Nylander won’t be worth anything for keeping him out of a UFA bidding war.

Meier at 8.5x8 + multiple 1sts worth of value from a Nylander trade vs Nylander at 10+ would be hard to turn down for a new GM looking to make his mark. Ideally we make the conference finals at least, Dubas stays, and Nylander signs for 9 for a guy that’s gone to bat for him and kept his word on not trading him.
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Worth noting too that Timo has next to zero incentive to take a dime less than 10+ million on any potential extension.

If a team isn't willing to pay him that in the offseason he can just accept his 1 year qualifying offer (of 10 million)and try to pad his stats and look for a big UFA extension during the summer of 2024.
 
I think Meier can fit though it would be extremely tight to resign him, mainly in 2024/25. Giving up 2023 1st + Knies + and being that tight isn't worth it IMO. I would do 1st + any 3 non Knies prospects. As much as giving up both Minten and Niemela would hurt.
 
Warden of the North said:
Friedman thinks Philly is getting ready to move JvR.

Any interest if the price is negligible? I hadn't really thought about him much but could he be a fit as a middle 6 LW? UFA this summer
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Someone like him would be worth getting if they don't feel like buying a premium tdl asset. Would come very cheaply and improves a part of the lineup
 
Menzinger said:
Worth noting too that Timo has next to zero incentive to take a dime less than 10+ million on any potential extension.

If a team isn't willing to pay him that in the offseason he can just accept his 1 year qualifying offer (of 10 million)and try to pad his stats and look for a big UFA extension during the summer of 2024.
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He risks injury, or poor performance. $65ish million guaranteed beats $10 million.

As far as JVR is concerned, he would require retention, which requires a much higher asset cost.

Hard pass. And I do mean....HARD PASS
 
Canada4Gold said:
Who was the last player to be traded from the exact same team to the exact same other team twice in his career? I would do it just for the trivia.
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Matt Martin went from Isles to Leafs to Isles. Though he joined the Leafs as a free agent.

kb said:
He risks injury, or poor performance. $65ish million guaranteed beats $10 million.
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While true, how often does that happen on these star player extensions? I can see maybe if he really loved the idea of playing in Toronto. But I can see more incentives to go the other route. Especially with the unique situation we're in where the cap is slated for a big jump in the coming few seasons.
 
Canada4Gold said:
I think Meier can fit though it would be extremely tight to resign him, mainly in 2024/25. Giving up 2023 1st + Knies + and being that tight isn't worth it IMO. I would do 1st + any 3 non Knies prospects. As much as giving up both Minten and Niemela would hurt.
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IMO no extension - or if there is it’s a sign and trade. If there was a way to do a 1st, any prospect not named Knies, and a young roster player not named Holmgren, Sandin, or Lilly, I’d do it. We gain the asset for the playoff push - he’d be FANTASTIC here - and recoup the assets lost in the offseason.
 
Menzinger said:
Matt Martin went from Isles to Leafs to Isles. Though he joined the Leafs as a free agent.
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That's only from team A to B back to A again which JVR has already done I guess. If he got traded back to us again JVR would be from Philly, traded to Toronto, signed back in Philly, traded to Toronto again
 
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dubplatepressure said:
IMO no extension - or if there is it’s a sign and trade. If there was a way to do a 1st, any prospect not named Knies, and a young roster player not named Holmgren, Sandin, or Lilly, I’d do it. We gain the asset for the playoff push - he’d be FANTASTIC here - and recoup the assets lost in the offseason.
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I have been convinced.....the trade is doable, and so is the extension. Hat tip for info from 4thline, Morgs, and others....

1st, Niemela, one/two of Robertson/Minten/Grebyonkin, Kerfoot (for salary purposes and to flip for another pick)

Then next season the Leafs can do this.

Sign Timo for $8.5 x 7, Samsonov $5 x 5, Holmberg and Timmins $1.25 x 2 each, Knies $925k.

Murray traded, 21 man roster.

Meier-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-Marner
yyy-yyy-Jarnkrok
McMann-Holmberg-xxx

Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-Liljegren
Gio-Timmins
xxx

Samsonov
Woll

4th line and 7th D xxx's at $775k apiece

The yyy at 3C - as much as $4 m, or distribute the $4.75 million as needed between the 2-3rd line forwards.

It's doable!
 
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Menzinger said:
Worth noting too that Timo has next to zero incentive to take a dime less than 10+ million on any potential extension.

If a team isn't willing to pay him that in the offseason he can just accept his 1 year qualifying offer (of 10 million)and try to pad his stats and look for a big UFA extension during the summer of 2024.
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That's fair but at the same time, which contender can handle 10x1? It's basically only Buffalo and NJ as non-basement teams that can do that. He'd probably make more money in the long run taking 8x1 with an elite team and flirting with 100 points + a big playoff run than putting up ~PPG on a bottom feeder with cap space.
 
I don't see any world where Timo Meier doesn't just take his qualifying offer.

No way the Leafs can offer him and risk being over the cap and at the mercy of the other GMs
 
kb said:
I have been convinced.....the trade is doable, and so is the extension. Hat tip for info from 4thline, Morgs, and others....

1st, Niemela, one/two of Robertson/Minten/Grebyonkin, Kerfoot (for salary purposes and to flip for another pick)

Then next season the Leafs can do this.

Sign Timo for $8.5 x 7, Samsonov $5 x 5, Holmberg and Timmins $1.25 x 2 each, Knies $925k.

Murray traded, 21 man roster.

Meier-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-Marner
yyy-yyy-Jarnkrok
McMann-Holmberg-xxx

Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-Liljegren
Gio-Timmins
xxx

Samsonov
Woll

4th line and 7th D xxx's at $775k apiece

The yyy at 3C - as much as $4 m, or distribute the $4.75 million as needed between the 2-3rd line forwards.

It's doable!
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I’d do it just for this year alone.
 
I don't really understand the signing him would make it too tight in 23/24 and 24/25 so don't do it argument. If it were entirely unworkable and you'd have to trade say Nylander then ok it's not worth it. Even if you told me I'd have to sign 6 league minimum guys for my entire bottom 6 in 24/25 and my bottom 6 would be relatively weak in 23/24 I would still do it knowing we may have a down year because Meier would be such a huge get not only this year but for the long term. Once Tavares is off the books there are no issues at all. I'd be willing to punt 24/25 entirely for this years, 23/24 and 25/26+ benefit.
 
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Hopefully it's just a one off, but I did not like what I saw with the Sandin-Liljergren pairing tonight when they were put under pressure by the Boston forecheck.
 
jaric1862 said:
Hopefully it's just a one off, but I did not like what I saw with the Sandin-Liljergren pairing tonight when they were put under pressure by the Boston forecheck.
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Agreed, they’ve been up and down (both of them) lately. Not sure it’s just them though - whole team looks like they’ve taken a step back (or two) defensively compared to earlier this season. I still think Holl is the likely target to upgrade on.
 
dubplatepressure said:
I mean… really? They have definitely shown inconsistency in the last 10-15 games. Sometimes they’re good other times, tonight.
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I completely disagree. They have been fine. Young d man aren't perfect and they have shown improvement in tough mins. The fact people are questioning them is why this team is a disaster in developing d man.
Teams like Boston put Charlie in important mins right away, and I'm sure they didn't start asking questions.
If this team decides we need another d man to put them in lower roles, we may as well trade them because young d man will never be good here.
 
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Dubas is going to fall for media pressure and get a gritty d man instead of fixing the actual issue

Budz said:
I’m ready for Elkholm. Our D got exposed tonight.
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Tampa has lost mulltiple games to Boston too. That D core is in huge trouble.
 
Menzinger said:
Worth noting too that Timo has next to zero incentive to take a dime less than 10+ million on any potential extension.

If a team isn't willing to pay him that in the offseason he can just accept his 1 year qualifying offer (of 10 million)and try to pad his stats and look for a big UFA extension during the summer of 2024.
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But Leafs can pay him more than 10mm in year one of a long term contract.

Leafs paid marner $16mm year one of his contract.
 
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