Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[dubplatepressure]

Lilly allowed his first ES goal in 11 games today. If you believe he has been incosistent, IDK what to say.

Lilly is not the team.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I think we should just stick at this point.

 

[Leafed]

Tonight's game reminded me of the losses to Tampa. The Leafs want to play a possession game. Fine. In the offensive zone the Leafs go low to high, and high to low, but rarely do they get in. The defending team is happy to collapse their large defencemen in front of the net and cover the inside lanes.

Height, wingspan, and strength are all important features of Cup-winning defencemen. Our defencemen, as a group, are light. Rielly gets bodied, Brodie gets bodied, Sandin gets bodied. Too many of the same physical make-up. We miss a guy like Muzzin. I predict that if that need is not addressed Benn will feature for us in the playoffs, and will that be good enough? That's what I wonder.

But then I recognize how top-heavy they are at forward. I don't understand those who wish to go all-in on a big-line winger like Meier while ignoring the other holes. Presently, no one in the bottom six is a threat to score. A third-line center who is good enough to play in a non-playoff team's top-six. Sounds like a rental.

So by my count they need two players, minimum, to escape their recent playoff fate. A different style of defenceman, a different style of forward.

 

[stickty111]

Lilly is not the team.

Never said he was and you only mentioned those two in your previous post. I do agree Ssndin can't be on a playoff roster. I think if you can upgrade on Sandin with say McCabe, you do it.

Rielly
Brodie
Holl
Gio
Lilly
McCabe

Is really good

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Where did it say kane may need to shut down
I watch and read all the media spots and not once was that ever mentioned

Friedman has mentioned it a couple times on his podcast. not sure how true it is.

 

[Legion34]

Friedman has mentioned it a couple times on his podcast. not sure how true it is.

Yep I heard it there a few times

 

[ER89]

Tonight's game reminded me of the losses to Tampa. The Leafs want to play a possession game. Fine. In the offensive zone the Leafs go low to high, and high to low, but rarely do they get in. The defending team is happy to collapse their large defencemen in front of the net and cover the inside lanes.

Height, wingspan, and strength are all important features of Cup-winning defencemen. Our defencemen, as a group, are light. Rielly gets bodied, Brodie gets bodied, Sandin gets bodied. Too many of the same physical make-up. We miss a guy like Muzzin. I predict that if that need is not addressed Benn will feature for us in the playoffs, and will that be good enough? That's what I wonder.

But then I recognize how top-heavy they are at forward. I don't understand those who wish to go all-in on a big-line winger like Meier while ignoring the other holes. Presently, no one in the bottom six is a threat to score. A third-line center who is good enough to play in a non-playoff team's top-six. Sounds like a rental.

So by my count they need two players, minimum, to escape their recent playoff fate. A different style of defenceman, a different style of forward.

You realize if you get a top six threat someone then goes to the bottom six providing that area with help as well right

 

[aingefan]

Team is fine. D is more than fine. Need another forward and Sammy to prove he's a big game goalie

I wouldn’t have predicted those numbers for chances by the end of the game.
Still, no cause for alarm. Good teams lose to good teams. Couple breakdowns, couple snipes.
I’m all for Meier too, the positioning makes a lot of sense. And I might be in the minority, but I might have a harder time moving Niemela than Knies.
(And I love Knies).
I’d almost rather move both firsts in 23 n 24.

 

[Leafed]

You realize if you get a top six threat someone then goes to the bottom six providing that area with help as well right

But who Jarnkrok? Jarnkrok is an adequate support player but he's not going to drive his own line. Who'd he be meant to create offence with? Kerfoot and Kampf? No threat.

 

[horner]

I think we should just stick at this point.

I agree do some minor tuning .
I would trade for a bottom 6 forward that plays a heavy game a Jeannot type of a player.
See what we have n Knies.

Trade for a bottom pairing dman with size that plays a heavy game and can ok.

I would trade our 1st for a controlable player Laughton or Konecny type of player.

 

[Americanadian]

You realize if you get a top six threat someone then goes to the bottom six providing that area with help as well right

Assuming Jarnkrok moves down though he hasn’t been good in the bottom 6.

 

[ER89]

But who Jarnkrok? Jarnkrok is an adequate support player but he's not going to drive his own line. Who'd he be meant to create offence with? Kerfoot and Kampf? No threat.

don't think crouse is creating offense by his own either with kerfoot and kampf.

 

[Americanadian]

But who Jarnkrok? Jarnkrok is an adequate support player but he's not going to drive his own line. Who'd he be meant to create offence with? Kerfoot and Kampf? No threat.

My apologies - I just posted the same thing.

 

[Leafed]

don't think crouse is creating offense by his own either with kerfoot and kampf.

I never suggested Crouse? I suggest they get a third line centre. ROR, Henrique, etc. Ideally we'd also get another piece to play alongside him but... Maybe, and said very cautiously, maybe that's a spot Knies can step up in

Knies - ROR/Henrique - Kerfoot

 

[Americanadian]

don't think crouse is creating offense by his own either with kerfoot and kampf.

The solution is 2 top 6 players and you run 3 scoring lines with Jarnkrok in the “top 6”.

 

[Burnie97]

Leafs once again didn't score timely goals and Sammy unfortunately didn't play very well last night.

Not much you can do with goaltending but hope for the best and that one of them catches fire for the playoffs.

As for the forwards it's so obvious the Leafs can't go into the playoffs without another good LW and possibly even another forward.

I'd be doubling down on that before worrying about D.

Mo needs to get his shit together though.

 

[Warden of the North]

I don't see the available Star players as being worth the cost.

Give me some middle 6 forward and another dman and I'm good.

Our top end forwards are as good as it gets in this league. We don't need more.

 

[X66]

I don't see the available Star players as being worth the cost.

Give me some middle 6 forward and another dman and I'm good.

Our top end forwards are as good as it gets in this league. We don't need more.

Every playoffs our offence dries up when we need it the most, whether it be powerplay or elimination games.

Can a middle 6 forward help that?

I think they need a legit goal scoring forward, like Tarasenko.

 

[Americanadian]

RE: Kane/ROR

When’s the last time a player on the downturn joined a team for a playoff run and returned to their “prime” production?

 

[leafsfan5]

RE: Kane/ROR

When’s the last time a player on the downturn joined a team for a playoff run and returned to their “prime” production?

Marian Gaborik is the only one that comes to mind

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't see the available Star players as being worth the cost.

Give me some middle 6 forward and another dman and I'm good.

Our top end forwards are as good as it gets in this league. We don't need more.

If they take this route, which seems more likely than anything else, is that I hope they find the right fit to play serious minutes. Getting another Jarnkrok or Engvall or Kampf would be pretty useless to me.

This team has a rare opportunity to be able to add a damn good player, I hope they take it. It doesn't guarantee a cup nor success but at least they'd be giving themselves the best chance. It's not like they need depth, they need quality. But maybe that quality can be player(s) flying under the radar.

 

[Fogelhund]

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[TheDoldrums]

Presently, no one in the bottom six is a threat to score.

Who would you say is a threat to score in Bostons bottom six though? I don't see a big difference in offense between guys like Coyle/Foligno and Kerfoot/Engvall, which seem like the highest scorers outside of the top 6 on their teams.

If they acquire a top 6 guy, I think Jarnkrok/Kerfoot/Engvall is a decent enough scoring line in the bottom 6 relative to most teams.

 

[Fogelhund]

Leafs 33 goals from forwards 7-12 in scoring.
Bruins 46 goals from forwards 7-12 in scoring.

Leafs top 6 120 goals, Bruins top 6 115 goals.

So they do have better depth in their bottom six.

 

[Americanadian]

Leafs 33 goals from forwards 7-12 in scoring.
Bruins 46 goals from forwards 7-12 in scoring.

Leafs top 6 120 goals, Bruins top 6 115 goals.

So they do have better depth in their bottom six.

The Bruins also have 2 defenseman who are better than any Leafs defenseman.

Who would you say is a threat to score in Bostons bottom six though? I don't see a big difference in offense between guys like Coyle/Foligno and Kerfoot/Engvall, which seem like the highest scorers outside of the top 6 on their teams.

If they acquire a top 6 guy, I think Jarnkrok/Kerfoot/Engvall is a decent enough scoring line in the bottom 6 relative to most teams.

Boston also has Hall in their regular bottom 6.