Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[VanW27]

I think Kane WAS a better offensive player than Meier, but he's starting to get to the, living on a name phase of his career. Kane has 18 ES points this year, Meier 32..... I don't think Kane really is any more affordable to resign, then Meier.

Personally, I'm in the camp that we go for a LW and a C... and do something like Comtois/Henrique, maybe explore Crouse, Raddysh as wingers..

But between Kane and Meier... I'll take Meier unless the cost of acquisition is substantially different...

Then again, I'm in the get a bigger LW, to provide that physicality that we need.. and upgrade 3C too.

Kane had 92 points last season playong with a pile of garbage, not advocating for acquiring him, but a healthy Kane (health is obviously a big question) is still a top end offensive player on the game.

 

[Americanadian]

I've never heard Farabee as a name that is available, if so, Sandin, no problem as the starting point.

I'm assuming he could be under the radar available because his production has dropped off since he signed his long term deal.

 

[kb]

I'm beginning to like the idea of Meier.

Apparently, at least according to some of the posts here, he's better than Nylander, and we can get him for less than Isles paid for Horvat (so maybe Kerfoot, a B prospect, and a 1st). He'll win us the Cup, and then we can trade Nylander (who's not as good) for several 1sts during the summer.

I like it!

I am coming around too.

I wouldn't say Meier is better. I would say they have different skillsets. Probably would be very complementary on the same line, too.

I'd trade a 1st, Robertson/Minten, Niemela and Kerfoot (who can be flipped for assets at the deadline) for Meier. That's a better package than the Isles got. And if they could lock him up at $8.5 million, it kinda helps moderate Nylander's ask somewhat.

And it doesn't require salary retention if the Leafs run a 21 man roster the rest of the season.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'm assuming he could be under the radar available because his production has dropped off since he signed his long term deal.

JVR type steal again waiting to happen there.

 

[kb]

I've never heard Farabee as a name that is available, if so, Sandin, no problem as the starting point.

For a guy with a career high of 38 points, and yet you have Kerfoot going out in every trade even though he outscored him every full season at $1.5 million less. Kerfoot had never had under 40 points in a full season.

Strange infatuation with fringe yet expensive players like Nyquist and Farabee, and you want to give a 22 year old top-4 D making $1.4 million for Farabee....as a starting point? I have watched Farabee, and yes...he is young and showed promise when he first came up, but no....the Leafs don't need a $5 million long term hit for a player who can't outproduce Kerfoot and is trending towards massive bust territory.

 

[notdoneyet]

The rumour is that Kane is injured and may need to shut it down at some point. I would be extremely cautious and would much rather trade for Meier if the prices were the same.

Where did it say kane may need to shut down
I watch and read all the media spots and not once was that ever mentioned

 

[ER89]

Why do you say this?

Meier literally carried a team last year, let alone a line.

JMO i don't think hes as dynamic or can create offense for his teammates as william can.

I also think william has more tools and can play multiple ways to tackle different defenses in the o-zone whereas as meier doesn't provide that.

I'm not saying theyre not in the same tier or william is way better. I just don't think timo is better than THIS years william and I think william is going to get better and has a later stage development curve.

I think meier is the guy we should target as well. I'd personally make room for him and trade morgan and give all the responsibility to the swedes and brodie. (I like mo but i also like having a stacked top 6 lol)

 

[notdoneyet]

Wouldn't mind JVR back on the team, he's been really solid this year on a bad team and can help the PP a ton.

However...he can't be the only piece we acquire.

Lets stop this bring back out old players

Jvr can’t skate on any line for us

Move on from those guys

 

[Americanadian]

JMO i don't think hes as dynamic or can create offense for his teammates as william can.

I also think william has more tools and can play multiple ways to tackle different defenses in the o-zone whereas as meier doesn't provide that.

I'm not saying theyre not in the same tier or william is way better. I just don't think timo is better than THIS years william and I think william is going to get better and has a later stage development curve.

I think meier is the guy we should target as well. I'd personally make room for him and trade morgan and give all the responsibility to the swedes and brodie. (I like mo but i also like having a stacked top 6 lol)

I agree with the bolded but be careful with that take around these boards.

I view Nylander and Meier as identical players right now and I would use Meier's extension as the comparable for Nylander.

 

[ULF_55]

Where did it say kane may need to shut down
I watch and read all the media spots and not once was that ever mentioned

I watched Kane the other night, and again just one game, but it looked like he had already shut it down on half his shifts. Zero effort except near the opposition blue-line.

I could see him just mailing it in because their entire franchise is mailing it in.

 

[ER89]

I agree with the bolded but be careful with that take around these boards.

I view Nylander and Meier as identical players right now and I would use Meier's extension as the comparable for Nylander.

haha i hear ya. I just think having a top six of meier william matthews mitch and jt would give us more success and honestly be more fun to watch lol.

And yeah good take - i guess I'm also a bit biased as willy is my favorite player.

 

[Americanadian]

haha i hear ya. I just think having a top six of meier william matthews mitch and jt would give us more success and honestly be more fun to watch lol.

I completely agree. I would give up Rielly for free if the Leafs could lock up Meier.

 

[kb]

JMO i don't think hes as dynamic or can create offense for his teammates as william can.

I also think william has more tools and can play multiple ways to tackle different defenses in the o-zone whereas as meier doesn't provide that.

I'm not saying theyre not in the same tier or william is way better. I just don't think timo is better than THIS years william and I think william is going to get better and has a later stage development curve.

I think meier is the guy we should target as well. I'd personally make room for him and trade morgan and give all the responsibility to the swedes and brodie. (I like mo but i also like having a stacked top 6 lol)

You don't need to trade Rielly. It all fits.

Plus he has NMC. And no, they don't get waived simply because certain fans want them to help out their current team. The Swede's are having a breakout, but that does not mean they are both ready for prime time.

Sandin
Gio
Benn

is not a cup winning LD.

I completely agree. I would give up Rielly for free if the Leafs could lock up Meier.

Of course you would. But the Leafs don't have to move him to fit in Meier.

This take is precisely why 98% of your trade proposals are laughable. He literally shut down the Caps when he was on the ice, plus scored a goal. Your hate is mystifying.

 

[notdoneyet]

Look i am not the biggest willy fan but this year to me he finally gets it. I used to get so pissed at him for curling back at the blue line instead of driving the net and also slowing up in the corner and letting the other player get to the puck first. This year i see him using his speed on the outside and cutting to the net. I see him going in the corners and going to the dirty part of the ice. When he does that he is an elite forward.

Meier will cost us a couple of good prospects like knies and minten. IMO
These two should be the last traded. They both have skill and go to the dirty areas. We are willing to trade them for guys just like them

Id rather go for someone less than meier
Who we cant sign next year. Again i have been one of those posters who wanted Nylander traded years ago but i would rather pay willy 10/11 for 8 years than Timo at 9/10. Willy can drive his own line

 

[ULF_55]

I agree with the bolded but be careful with that take around these boards.

I view Nylander and Meier as identical players right now and I would use Meier's extension as the comparable for Nylander.

Hertl, Meier and a 1st.
for
Matthews, and Kerfoot

Can re-sing Meier for 8*8. (Front load with huge signing bonus)
Hertl is already 8*8
Nylander re-sign at 8*8
Rantanane is UFA when Tavares is off the books gets Tavares money.
Marner slight raise

San Jose unprotected 1st. this year.

 

[kb]

Hertl, Meier and a 1st.
for
Matthews, and Kerfoot

Can re-sing Meier for 8*8. (Front load with huge signing bonus)
Hertl is already 8*8
Nylander re-sign at 8*8
Rantanane is UFA when Tavares is off the books gets Tavares money.
Marner slight raise

San Jose unprotected 1st. this year.

I guess Tavares will have to be the #1C while the Leafs immediately enter their rebuild after this trade?

 

[Al14]

Hertl, Meier and a 1st.
for
Matthews, and Kerfoot

Can re-sing Meier for 8*8. (Front load with huge signing bonus)
Hertl is already 8*8
Nylander re-sign at 8*8
Rantanane is UFA when Tavares is off the books gets Tavares money.
Marner slight raise

San Jose unprotected 1st. this year.

I actually like this idea! Whether or not it gets us a Stanley Cup is a entire other debate.

 

[LaPlante94]

Well, I see it this way.

Right now this season people are still complaining about 4 players making $40 million. That would make it 5 players making close to $50 million with only a $1 million cap bump for next season.

Right now the Leafs are well into Muzzin's LTIR before even considering adding another $8.5-$9.5 million player.

Plus the stated acquisition cost will be a first and probably Toronto's 3 best prospects (because their 1st will be low), so all those good drafted players the Leafs had (and will need) were used up in the trade.

Every lineup I have seen still has the players SJ will most likely get back in a trade.

So I don't see how this works. I'm sure most don't see it working either, but...........fun to dream

The way most people are talking they had me thinking Nylander was a FA after this season which I would agree would make it harder to sign Meier but he's signed for next year too. By that time the cap will most likely be around 88-92 million and could be as high as 88 after this season if the escrow gets paid off according to Bettman. I think we'd have 1 season in 24/25 where maybe our depth is hurt because of cap and that's only because of Tavares 11 million dollar contract, but we all know he'll most likely sign for way less after that deal is up short term so Meier contract and Nylander won't hurt by 25/26 season when the cap is most likely at 92 mil. How much are Nylander and Meier projected to make anyways? I'm assuming Nylander will get around 9 mil and Meier around 8 mil. Projection wise Matthews and Marner are probably gonna get around 25 mil combined (I hope) so that'd be 42 mil for 4 players who are literally in the prime of their careers. Then you can add on Rielly, Tavares new cheap contract, Samsonov and Liljegren and Sandin new contracts and I think that's probably around 66 mil assuming all their new contracts are no higher than 4 mil. Obviously could be a little higher but I don't see it being too much though. I'd say that's pretty good for your top 5 forwards and top 3 defencemen and starting goalie right? By this time you'd hope to have guys we drafted being able to play on ELCs and you'd think Dubas could fill out the rest of the roster with the 20+ mil remaining of cap space left. Obviously all this fantasy talk/projections or whatever you wanna call it is more so for the 25/26 season when everyone will be on new contracts and the cap has risen is why I think it's able to be done but the 24/25 season could be tough on the depth.

If need be though you could spread out the offence by having Meier on the 3rd line or Nylander so the depth scoring isn't as bad and could have 3 scoring lines still. Now that's the end of my TED talk and probably last post ever about salary cap projections and future contracts because nothing ever happens how you think it might because of many reasons. Long story short is it's possible to sign them all.

 

[Al14]

I completely agree. I would give up Rielly for free if the Leafs could lock up Meier.

Giving up Rielly for free, for any reason, is just very poor asset management.

 

[ER89]

You don't need to trade Rielly. It all fits.

Plus he has NMC. And no, they don't get waived simply because certain fans want them to help out their current team. The Swede's are having a breakout, but that does not mean they are both ready for prime time.

Sandin
Gio
Benn

is not a cup winning LD.


Of course you would. But the Leafs don't have to move him to fit in Meier.

This take is precisely why 98% of your trade proposals are laughable. He literally shut down the Caps when he was on the ice, plus scored a goal. Your hate is mystifying.

oh wow I never knew that.

I thought fans decided the future strategy of the team consutruction as a collective on hfboards.

 

[Americanadian]

You don't need to trade Rielly. It all fits.

Plus he has NMC. And no, they don't get waived simply because certain fans want them to help out their current team. The Swede's are having a breakout, but that does not mean they are both ready for prime time.

Sandin
Gio
Benn

is not a cup winning LD.


Of course you would. He literally shut down the Caps when he was on the ice, plus scored a goal. Your hate is mystifying.

I think he currently isn't worth 7.5M and will not be for the next 7 years. If you want to use 1 game to justify 7 more years that is your prerogative.

As far as cup winning LD. The Leafs are reportedly in on McCabe who would be a very solid shutdown pair LD. Brodie has also been excellent at LD. Benn should be nowhere near the lineup.

This take is precisely why 98% of your trade proposals are laughable.

I made 1 trade proposal including Rielly which was Rielly for Horvat. At least I make trade proposals and don't exist on this board to criticize others.

 

[kb]

oh wow I never knew that.

I thought fans decided the future strategy of the team consutruction as a collective on hfboards.

For the record, that is something you needed to know. lol

I really enjoy the realistic proposals, not "shit thrown against a wall" proposals. Not that yours are, but some are.

I could trade Dryden Hunt for Connor McDavid all day too. Because that's every bit as likely to happen as trading Rielly in the first year of an 8 year contract with a NMC.

 

[Americanadian]

Hertl, Meier and a 1st.
for
Matthews, and Kerfoot

Can re-sing Meier for 8*8. (Front load with huge signing bonus)
Hertl is already 8*8
Nylander re-sign at 8*8
Rantanane is UFA when Tavares is off the books gets Tavares money.
Marner slight raise

San Jose unprotected 1st. this year.

That's a lot of moving parts. I don't hate the premise, it would depend on what Matthews wants on his next contract.

 

[ER89]

For the record, that is something you needed to know. lol

I really enjoy the realistic proposals, not "shit thrown against a wall" proposals. Not that yours are, but some are.

I could trade Dryden Hunt for Connor McDavid all day too. Because that's every bit as likely to happen as trading Rielly in the first year of an 8 year contract with a NMC.

nah was just beeing cheeky to your cheeky post haha.

Look i don't even hate mo, i wanted him to be captain over JT.

But i love the idea of a sweet top 6 that can collectively play defense. apparently there was this study that came out that suggested good defensive teams are good defensively because of their forwards moreso than d-men. I don't know if that's true or not but was interesting.

 

[Americanadian]

But i love the idea of a sweet top 6 that can collectively play defense. apparently there was this study that came out that suggested good defensive teams are good defensively because of their forwards moreso than d-men. I don't know if that's true or not but was interesting.

This seems true. At this point it wouldn't hurt to try.