Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[Malachi Crunch]

This thread should only be about trading for Jake McCabe and Taylor Raddysh.

You kill 2 birds with one stone.

You get a really quality depth winger, who has scored 14 goals this year, played 28 games for the Soo Greyhounds and on a contract for under 800k for this year and next year.

You also get a quality top 4 defenseman who can solidify playing beside L*****n and you lock him in for the next couple years (this year +2).

Yes. Raddysh is one of those buy-him-cheap-now-because-he-may-explode-soon players.

 

[kb]

SOURCE: Sharks Want 3 Pieces for Meier?

What do the San Jose Sharks want in a trade for Timo Meier? It sounds like three pieces. “What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player,” a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San...

sanjosehockeynow.com

“What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player,” a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San Jose Hockey Now.

So our packages would be in this scenario

1st+ Knies, 1st + Minten and Niemela
Or
Niemela/Minten +Sandin/Liljegren

It's tough but I would do the 1st, Minten + Niemela package
Or the Niemela/Minten package along with Sandin
Other teams can beat it but we can be absolutely be in play if thats the rumored ask. Cap is doable as others mentioned

The first is required in both proposals.

 

[ER89]

too bad roberston is injured because i'd trade him so quickly for an upgrade in the top 6.

 

[kb]

SOURCE: Sharks Want 3 Pieces for Meier?

What do the San Jose Sharks want in a trade for Timo Meier? It sounds like three pieces. “What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player,” a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San...

sanjosehockeynow.com

“What I’m hearing is a first-rounder — and one Grade-A or two Grade-B prospects, or one good prospect and a young, established NHL player,” a source from outside the San Jose Sharks organization told San Jose Hockey Now.

So our packages would be in this scenario

1st+ Knies, 1st + Minten and Niemela
Or
Niemela/Minten +Sandin/Liljegren

It's tough but I would do the 1st, Minten + Niemela package
Or the Niemela/Minten package along with Sandin
Other teams can beat it but we can be absolutely be in play if thats the rumored ask. Cap is doable as others mentioned

How about this? I'll join in. Like I said, I love the player.

2024 1st, Holmberg/Minten, Niemela, Kerfoot.

I would say to SJ that the 1st next year has a greater chance of being a higher pick.

Holmberg is playing with bottom 6 players and has a higher pts/60 than Cale Makar, Patrick Kane, Sam Reinhart, Nick Suzuki, etc.....so he's not proven, but very good for a rookie.

Fun fact. Holmberg has a higher ES Pts/60 than......Timo Meier.

If SJ insists on a young prospect, then swap Minten for Holmberg

Niemela has immense potential.....but with the emergence of Timmins, that's a blow the Leafs can withstand.

 

[kb]

Meier scenario 2

Timo gets 8.5, Samsonov 5, Holmberg and Timmins 1.1 each, Knies 950k
Murray traded, 21 man roster.

Meier-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Tavares-Marner
xxx-yyy-Jarncrok
McMann-Holmberg-xxx

Rielly-Brodie
Sandin-Liljegren
Gio-Timmins
xxx

Samsonov
Woll

xxx's 800k apiece
The yyy at 3C - as much as 4.2m.

It's very easy to get lost in "5 forwards making 49", without stopping to consider that 5 forwards is almost half the F group, and that it translates into "7 forwards making 55.1" by adding a 4m 3C plus Jarncrok. That leaves 5 budget players.

For comparison
2022 Colorado - Cogliano (1m) O'Connor (725) Newhook (ELC) Aube-Kubel (1m) Sturm (725), Helm making almost 4 but overpaid, next contract 1m
2021 Tampa - Colton (700), Goodrow (925), Maroon (900k), Coleman at 1.9
2020 Tampa- replace Colton with Paquette
2019 St. Louis - Sundqvist (700), Maroon (1.75), Barbashev (741/ ELC), Thomas (ELC), Blais (ELC)
2018 Washington - Beagle (1.75), Connolly (1.5), Vrana (ELC), Smith-Pelley (650), Stephenson (650), Chiasson (660)
2017 Pittsburgh - Guentzel (ELC), Sheary (ELC), Rust (640), Wilson (625), Rowney (612) (plus Bonino and Fehr at ~2m each)
2016 Pittsburgh - Sheary (ELC), Rust (640), Kuhnakl (525), Cullen (800) (plus Bonino and Fehr at ~2m each)

Huh. My trade of:

2024 1st, Minten, Niemela, Kerfoot would actually work here!! lol (The Holmberg part won't)

 

[Gabriel426]

Why pay a premium on Meier if you can get Kane for the same price?

Kane will score those big playoffs goals if he plays for the Leafs. Bc that’s who he is and he had done it all the time. There is a switch in these players head that just turn on when the time comes.

 

[kb]

Why pay a premium on Meier if you can get Kane for the same price?

Kane will score those big playoffs goals if he plays for the Leafs. Bc that’s who he is and he had done it all the time. There is a switch in these players head that just turn on when the time comes.

If it's the same price, then I would prefer the younger player who is controllable via RFA. Kane is looking......done.

 

[Gabriel426]

If it's the same price, then I would prefer the younger player who is controllable via RFA. Kane is looking......done.

I would take Kane bc the Leafs needs someone who can be clutch and Kane is that player. Kane doesn't need to be dominate for 19mins a night as long as he can be that killer in one shift in the deciding game and I think he still got that in him.

 

[Eye Test]

Amen to that.
A player who is pretty much on the untouchable list, shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread.

I was just about to say this…out of all our D he’s the most untouchable. Rielly is great but he also costs 8mil or whatver. Brodie is great but he’s not young like lilly. And lilly is better than the rest of the D on the team.

I’m surprised people like meier as much as nylander, I didn’t think they were in the same tier. But I haven’t watched much of Meier in the last few years.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Why pay a premium on Meier if you can get Kane for the same price?

Meier has easily been the better player of the two this year, and you can't just assume that Kane is going to return to his old form at age 34.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

I would take Kane bc the Leafs needs someone who can be clutch and Kane is that player. Kane doesn't need to be dominate for 19mins a night as long as he can be that killer in one shift in the deciding game and I think he still got that in him.

The rumour is that Kane is injured and may need to shut it down at some point. I would be extremely cautious and would much rather trade for Meier if the prices were the same.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I’d look at Kane if the Horvat trade set the market. If Horvat and Meier return 1st + 2 prospects, Kane should be 2nd + some pieces + double retention price with his NMC and bad season.

 

[Canada4Gold]

That defense is pretty bad, and so is the bottom 6.

Just goes to show how hard it would be to keep everyone after all the extensions. Gets easier once JT expires, but its rough until then.

You could move Murray or Samsonov to open up a bit more for next season if you needed. The reason I kept both was because I wanted Murray's cap coming off the books when Matthews, Nylander, Liljegren, and Sandin were UFA/RFA to have enough to bring them back without then needing to drop more players(already have Brodie dropping along with hopefully a cap jump). In theory you could trade Murray early and bring in 1 year deals to shore up the weaker points of next years roster and then allocate that money to raises afterwards.

No matter how you manouver the 24/25 season is the tight one if you were to bring in a Meier. You pretty much have no choice but run bare bones for 1 year and then Tavares is off. Don't trade the 2025 1st I guess.

 

[Fogelhund]

I would take Kane bc the Leafs needs someone who can be clutch and Kane is that player. Kane doesn't need to be dominate for 19mins a night as long as he can be that killer in one shift in the deciding game and I think he still got that in him.

Leafs need... big physical winger, who can add scoring...

Patrick Kane, who seems to be injured, and might need to be shut down...... at 176 pounds at 36 points in 45 games... 8 hits, 9 goals

vs.

Meier who is healthy, younger, 216lbs, physical and has 48 points in 51 games, 107 hits, 28 goals

How is this even a question mark, as to which player you'd prefer, if the cost is the same? We aren't going to play in an all-star game.... this is the playoffs, and our need is a complimentary physical player... who can score goals..... I'm not the biggest guy saying get Meier, but unquestionably he is the best player who fits what our NEED is.

 

[X66]

Wouldn't mind JVR back on the team, he's been really solid this year on a bad team and can help the PP a ton.

However...he can't be the only piece we acquire.

 

[kb]

Wouldn't mind JVR back on the team, he's been really solid this year on a bad team and can help the PP a ton.

However...he can't be the only piece we acquire.

That contract is ugly. It would require the Leafs overspending on him just to get needed cap retention, and then there would be no cap room left for any more significant moves.

He's a hard pass IMO.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

As someone mentioned I think Radysh is a good call along with McCabe but the hawks are a tanking team so they can prolly milk out a strong amount of wants for it.

 

[Rielly4]

Leafs need... big physical winger, who can add scoring...

Patrick Kane, who seems to be injured, and might need to be shut down...... at 176 pounds at 36 points in 45 games... 8 hits, 9 goals

vs.

Meier who is healthy, younger, 216lbs, physical and has 48 points in 51 games, 107 hits, 28 goals

How is this even a question mark, as to which player you'd prefer, if the cost is the same? We aren't going to play in an all-star game.... this is the playoffs, and our need is a complimentary physical player... who can score goals..... I'm not the biggest guy saying get Meier, but unquestionably he is the best player who fits what our NEED is.

Not sure about Kanes health, but I think Kane is still a better offensive player than Meier. Physicality and defense Meier has the obvious edge. But Kane is still better. Now with the RFA status, that makes Meier somewhat appealing but we wouldnt be able to afford him anyways. Kane has potential to re-sign at a reasonable deal id say given the money hes made in his career and his struggles this season.

However tempting the big fish is. I think we should spend our assets on a player whos cheaper with term that can be a middle six forward who is actually effective. Can play well this year at 2LW and possibly slot into 3C next year? Someone like Jenner comes to mind but not sure Columbus would move him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

They were saying Nyquist is out maybe all year with a shoulder injury but could maybe sneak back before playoffs or when playoffs begin, would you consider the Riley Nash special of a 7th rounder?

Use primary assets on C + top 4D and then ship out that late pick?

Bunting-Matthews-88
Nyquist-JT-Marner
ZAR-Kampf-Engvall
Knies/Holmberg - New C - Jarnkrok

I'm assuming Kerfoot goes to move $$ out in a deal.

 

[Fogelhund]

Not sure about Kanes health, but I think Kane is still a better offensive player than Meier. Physicality and defense Meier has the obvious edge. But Kane is still better. Now with the RFA status, that makes Meier somewhat appealing but we wouldnt be able to afford him anyways. Kane has potential to re-sign at a reasonable deal id say given the money hes made in his career and his struggles this season.

However tempting the big fish is. I think we should spend our assets on a player whos cheaper with term that can be a middle six forward who is actually effective. Can play well this year at 2LW and possibly slot into 3C next year? Someone like Jenner comes to mind but not sure Columbus would move him.

I think Kane WAS a better offensive player than Meier, but he's starting to get to the, living on a name phase of his career. Kane has 18 ES points this year, Meier 32..... I don't think Kane really is any more affordable to resign, then Meier.

Personally, I'm in the camp that we go for a LW and a C... and do something like Comtois/Henrique, maybe explore Crouse, Raddysh as wingers..

But between Kane and Meier... I'll take Meier unless the cost of acquisition is substantially different...

Then again, I'm in the get a bigger LW, to provide that physicality that we need.. and upgrade 3C too.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I'm beginning to like the idea of Meier.

Apparently, at least according to some of the posts here, he's better than Nylander, and we can get him for less than Isles paid for Horvat (so maybe Kerfoot, a B prospect, and a 1st). He'll win us the Cup, and then we can trade Nylander (who's not as good) for several 1sts during the summer.

I like it!

 

[Americanadian]

It's so easy:

Henrique+McCabe+Konecny/Buchnevich/Farabee/Garland

 

[ER89]

I was just about to say this…out of all our D he’s the most untouchable. Rielly is great but he also costs 8mil or whatver. Brodie is great but he’s not young like lilly. And lilly is better than the rest of the D on the team.

I’m surprised people like meier as much as nylander, I didn’t think they were in the same tier. But I haven’t watched much of Meier in the last few years.

they're not.

Willy is much better and can carry a line.

And yeah its just one poster talking about liljgren as sheltered.... dudes got no clue.

I'm beginning to like the idea of Meier.

Apparently, at least according to some of the posts here, he's better than Nylander, and we can get him for less than Isles paid for Horvat (so maybe Kerfoot, a B prospect, and a 1st). He'll win us the Cup, and then we can trade Nylander (who's not as good) for several 1sts during the summer.

I like it!

meier is not better than william.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It's so easy:

Henrique+McCabe+Konecny/Buchnevich/Farabee/Garland

I've never heard Farabee as a name that is available, if so, Sandin, no problem as the starting point.

 

[Americanadian]

Willy is much better and can carry a line.

meier is not better than william.

Why do you say this?

Meier literally carried a team last year, let alone a line.