Trades and Free Agency - 2022-23 Season Edition

[ToneDog]

The Bruins also have 2 defenseman who are better than any Leafs defenseman.

Our top 3, maybe 4 are better than theirs but after that it is all Bruins.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Leafs 33 goals from forwards 7-12 in scoring.
Bruins 46 goals from forwards 7-12 in scoring.

Leafs top 6 120 goals, Bruins top 6 115 goals.

So they do have better depth in their bottom six.

The Leafs 12th highest scoring forward is Robertson who has not played very many games, the Bruins guys all seem to be regulars so that is slightly misleading.

I'm also not as concerned with the 4th line scoring. The Leafs are clearly making a choice by playing ZAR and Kampf that they don't want scoring from either team when they're on the ice.

 

[Americanadian]

Our top 3, maybe 4 are better than theirs but after that it is all Bruins.

Rielly<<McAvoy
Brodie<<Lindholm
Liljegren=Grzelcyk
Gio>Carlo
Sandin=Clifton
Holl=Forbort

 

[Fogelhund]

The Leafs 12th highest scoring forward is Robertson who has not played very many games, the Bruins guys all seem to be regulars so that is slightly misleading.

I'm also not as concerned with the 4th line scoring. The Leafs are clearly making a choice by playing ZAR and Kampf that they don't want scoring from either team when they're on the ice.

Looking at their forwards 7-9 in scoring, really is where the difference is. We have Engvall, Kerfoot and Holmberg for 22 goals. They have Zacha, Frederic and Coyle for 32 goals.

 

[ToneDog]

Rielly<<McAvoy
Brodie<<Lindholm
Liljegren=Grzelcyk
Gio>Carlo
Sandin=Clifton
Holl=Forbort

I meant forwards (16, 34 and 88) and in groups. Bruins top 6, bottom 6, 6 D and 2 G are better than ours. One could argue our top line is better than theirs but head to head in the playoffs, theirs have won two series.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Looking at their forwards 7-9 in scoring, really is where the difference is. We have Engvall, Kerfoot and Holmberg for 22 goals. They have Zacha, Frederic and Coyle for 32 goals.

Zachas two most common linemates this year have been Krejci and Pastrnak. Holmberg has played less games and his most common linemate by far has been ZAR. I just find these exercises to be overly simplistic.

 

[Americanadian]

Zachas two most common linemates this year have been Krejci and Pastrnak. Holmberg has played less games and his most common linemate has been ZAR. I just find these exercises to be overly simplistic.

Replace Zacha with Hall though.

 

[ToneDog]

Zachas two most common linemates this year have been Krejci and Pastrnak. Holmberg has played less games and his most common linemate by far has been ZAR. I just find these exercises to be overly simplistic.

Yeah and he has been pretty good. Not sure where he was prior the DeBrusk injury.

 

[X66]

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I love advanced stats, but I also think they're hard to tell when a player plays on a bad team or they just mailed it in.

Like look at Lybushkin last year, he had great defensive metrics on a bad team in Arizona and he came here and he wasn't all that great defensively IMO, even though it should have translated much better.

 

[TheDoldrums]

I love advanced stats, but I also think they're hard to tell when a player plays on a bad team or they just mailed it in.

Like look at Lybushkin last year, he had great defensive metrics on a bad team in Arizona and he came here and he wasn't all that great defensively IMO, even though it should have translated much better.

Yeah but Kanes are like, all-time bad. Like absolutely one of the worst players in the league bad. I think you have to stay away, gambling on a bounce back is just too risky when he's been this terrible.

Yeah and he has been pretty good. Not sure where he was prior the DeBrusk injury.

I forgot that Debrusk is hurt and will be back later to add to their depth. Welp.

 

[ToneDog]

Pasta, Marchand, Bergeron, Krejci, Hall, DeBrusk, Zacha, Coyle, Nosek, Greer, Foligno, Fredric is a good mix of talent. They pretty much can beat you any way you want to play it.

 

[Fogelhund]

Zachas two most common linemates this year have been Krejci and Pastrnak. Holmberg has played less games and his most common linemate by far has been ZAR. I just find these exercises to be overly simplistic.

In some ways they are, and in some ways they aren't. It doesn't matter how you slice and dice it... if you want to remove Zacha from that list, and put Hall in, or however you mix the players around... the bottom line is still the same... Boston gets more scoring from their depth players...

I love advanced stats, but I also think they're hard to tell when a player plays on a bad team or they just mailed it in.

Like look at Lybushkin last year, he had great defensive metrics on a bad team in Arizona and he came here and he wasn't all that great defensively IMO, even though it should have translated much better.

In this case... it's not that it's a bad team. He's either playing poorly defensively, or he's mailed it in. His performance is well below his teammates... Respect to the career he's had, I just don't see him as the guy we need... I just think we need a bigger, heavier player, who goes to the net hard. We've got plenty of Kane type of play, we need to balance that out. We need scoring more than setup guys.

 

[thusk]

Liljegren allowed an even strength goal against tonight for the first time in 11 games.

It was clearly not their game and by far the worst defensive pair during this one...

I watched liljegren/sandin to watch against who they played the most... i stop at half of the end before the 2nd boston goal...

They didn't start a single time against bergeron line. I think they played like a total of 20 sec against this line and allowed a 2v1....

they started over 85-90% of the time against krejci line... And before

The thing i didn't like is the fact than rielly and brodie started pratically every bergeron time was on the ice... they did a good job but when you're using rielly as a shutdown pair, you didn't maximise what he can give you... i want to see rielly being use like hedman had been use in tampa... he didn't played toughest matchup, it was mcdonaugh and hedman was able to play free in the offensive end. I still think ekholm is the guy leafs to push pretty hard to get him

 

[leafsfan2point0]

An underrated good pickup for us would be Gus Nyquist. He’s injured till the playoffs so we can Kucherov him till then.

Speedy two way player that’s similar to Järnkrok. We can play him on the fourth line in the playoffs with second PP and PK duties.

We wouldn’t have to worry about cap space and could probably get him for cheap. He’s a responsible winger that can move up and down the lineup and give us cheap depth.

 

[SprDaVE]

Rumor on main board Boone Jenner could be available
29
6'2" 210 Centre
Captain Colombus
warrior elite player
$ 3.5 M Contract

Kerfoot Salary $ 3.5m

Could we make this happen? 1st 2023 ++
Trade Kerfoot separately to get relief and picks?

Jenner would be a good target. I suspect the Jackets will want a huge return for their captain but I do think he'd a good fit going forward as a veteran mid line center. I think his salary is a little high for the term though.

It would be weird for them to do this after signing Gaudreau. They probably should just retool around their core.

 

[Fogelhund]

Rumor on main board Boone Jenner could be available
29
6'2" 210 Centre
Captain Colombus
warrior elite player
$ 3.5 M Contract

Kerfoot Salary $ 3.5m

Could we make this happen? 1st 2023 ++
Trade Kerfoot separately to get relief and picks?

Noting, the rumour comes from NHL Network broadcast last night. His cap hit is also $3.75 mil to the end of 25-26.

Frankly, I'd be shocked if this were true, he's an important player for them. He's kind of exactly what we would need, though we shouldn't expect the same amount of offense to transfer over here. He's playing with Gaudreau and Laine in Columbus, and he won't get that quality here, but he'd certainly be an upgrade.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Jenner is the guy if he’s indeed available

 

[TMLAM34]

Don’t see Columbus moving Jenner unless they were getting Knies in return as part of the package which I wouldn’t feel comfortable doing.

 

[thusk]

Every playoffs our offence dries up when we need it the most, whether it be powerplay or elimination games.

Can a middle 6 forward help that?

I think they need a legit goal scoring forward, like Tarasenko.

Game 5 mtl 3 goal for 4 goal allowed,
Game 6 2 goal for 3 against
Game 5 vs tb 4-3 win
Game 6 vs tb 3 goal for 4 against
Game # 3 vs cbs they lost a 3-0 lead and lost 4-3
Game #4 vs columbus still alowed 3 goal and made a miracullous come back

During those 6 game 3.17 goal for vs goal against 3.5 against

When it need the most its not just deciding gamw

When you scored over 3 goal by game and still losing 2/3 of the time, the problem is not your offensive ...

 

[TMLAM34]

If only we can just steal Tippett, Laughton and Provorov from Philadelphia… lol

Bunting - Matthews - Nylander
Tippett - Tavares - Marner
Knies - Laughton - Jarnkrok
Engvall - Kampf - Holmberg
Aston Reese

Provorov - Liljegren
Rielly - Brodie
Giordano - Holl
Timmins

Samsonov - Murray
Woll

 

[Fogelhund]

Add in Jenner, Knies

Don’t see Columbus moving Jenner unless they were getting Knies in return as part of the package which I wouldn’t feel comfortable doing.

What their ask would be, is speculative at best... suggesting they wouldn't move Jenner, without Knies being in the package is baseless at this point. We could find a way, without moving Knies.

 

[TMLAM34]

Add in Jenner, Knies


What their ask would be, is speculative at best... suggesting they wouldn't move Jenner, without Knies being in the package is baseless at this point. We could find a way, without moving Knies.

What would be a package you can see Columbus moving Jenner to us?

 

[X66]

Game 5 mtl 3 goal for 4 goal allowed,
Game 6 2 goal for 3 against
Game 5 vs tb 4-3 win
Game 6 vs tb 3 goal for 4 against
Game # 3 vs cbs they lost a 3-0 lead and lost 4-3
Game #4 vs columbus still alowed 3 goal and made a miracullous come back

During those 6 game 3.17 goal for vs goal against 3.5 against

When it need the most its not just deciding gamw

When you scored over 3 goal by game and still losing 2/3 of the time, the problem is not your offensive ...

Not the best post IMO.

Game 7 vs the Bolts last year, 1 goal - 0-2 on the Power Play
Game 6 vs the Bolts 3 goals for but 0-4 on the PP
Game 7 vs the Habs, 1 goal for, 0-2 on the PP
Game 6 vs the Habs, 2 goals for - 0-4 on the PP
Game 5 vs CBJ, 0 goals for
Game 7 vs the Bruins 1 goal for, 0-2 on the PP

Every single one of these elimination games were winnable had we gotten a bit more offensive punch. They have scored a PP goal in any of those games.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

The call me crazy proposal:

Timo Meier + Mario Ferraro
For
Morgan Rielly + Alex Kerfoot + 2023 1st rounder + Matthew Knies/Topi Niemela (would push for the latter)

Meier-Matthews-Nylander
Bunting-Tavares-Marner
Engvall-Kampf*-Jarnkrok
ZAR-Holmberg-Anderson

Giordano-Ferraro
Sandin-Liljegren
Brodie-Holl
/Timmins

Ideally upgrade the 3C, shift Kampf down.
Ideally upgrade on Holl, can shift Ferraro down if so.

 

[Fogelhund]

What would be a package you can see Columbus moving Jenner to us?

What does Columbus need the most?

On wings they have Gaudreau LW, Voracek LW, Laine RW, Johnson (he's played LW/RW/C, been terrible at C, Chinakhov, Robinson, Marchenko... they are deep on the wings, and terrible depth at C... so it's most probable that they'll be looking for C depth, or players.

It's probably more likely, that they'd ask for Minten, or Hirvonen, as that is where their needs are.