Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Micklebot]

It does appear that the personnel on RD is an issue, as predicted by many. I don't know what the solution is, but it is looking more likely that they will need to do something to not let this season be a wash.

So, this is interesting to me.

Are people happy with Zub? I think so.

Lots of people are critical of Hamonic, but the pairing of him and Sanderson has been arguably our best pairing.

That leaves the bottom pair, Brannstrom and Holden have been ok imo, is upgrading Holden on the bottom pair the fix we need?

Zaitsev as the 7th clearly could use an upgrade, but the RD in the top 6 seem to be performing adequately in their roles. Not to say we couldn't improve with an upgrade on them, but I don't know that's what's holding us back.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Why is Bruce Garrioch tweeting suspenseful shit

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

Why is Bruce Garrioch tweeting suspenseful shit

Probably just because he posted an article about potential buyers, I think that’s all he was referencing:

 

[L'Aveuglette]

So, this is interesting to me.

Are people happy with Zub? I think so.

Lots of people are critical of Hamonic, but the pairing of him and Sanderson has been arguably our best pairing.

That leaves the bottom pair, Brannstrom and Holden have been ok imo, is upgrading Holden on the bottom pair the fix we need?

Zaitsev as the 7th clearly could use an upgrade, but the RD in the top 6 seem to be performing adequately in their roles. Not to say we couldn't improve with an upgrade on them, but I don't know that's what's holding us back.

Hamonic has been adequate, but that's largely due to playing with stead-Eddy Sanderson. We should still upgrade that position any chance we get.

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-upgrade
Brannstrom-Hamonic

 

[Dan Patrick]

So, this is interesting to me.

Are people happy with Zub? I think so.

Lots of people are critical of Hamonic, but the pairing of him and Sanderson has been arguably our best pairing.

That leaves the bottom pair, Brannstrom and Holden have been ok imo, is upgrading Holden on the bottom pair the fix we need?

Zaitsev as the 7th clearly could use an upgrade, but the RD in the top 6 seem to be performing adequately in their roles. Not to say we couldn't improve with an upgrade on them, but I don't know that's what's holding us back.

Yeah i think our defence was fine with Zub in. The noticeable things with him gone though is Brannstrom seemed to really struggle playing on the top pairing.
And Zaitsev can't play even limited 5 on 5 minutes.

At this point id rather play JBD or Thomson 7 minutes a night than Zaitsev. Let them sink or swim in the limited capacity Zaits is failing at now and see how it goes. Zub is back in a week or two and we can reevalute then.

Belleville is dealing with a bunch of injuries too right now though so I doubt we see any callups unless the issue becomes dire.

 

[Micklebot]

Hamonic has been adequate, but that's largely due to playing with stead-Eddy Sanderson. We should still upgrade that position any chance we get.

Chabot-Zub
Sanderson-upgrade
Brannstrom-Hamonic

Do you think the second pairing will greatly improve with a change? Idk how much better we can expect. Wed likely see more improvement from Hamonic upgrading the bottom pair in that scenario then directly to the second pair.

That said, my point is more the defense ses to take a lot of heat, but imo it's support from the forwards that has been lacking in the loses. Pinto and Stützle seem overwhelmed with Norris gone,

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

So, this is interesting to me.

Are people happy with Zub? I think so.

Lots of people are critical of Hamonic, but the pairing of him and Sanderson has been arguably our best pairing.

That leaves the bottom pair, Brannstrom and Holden have been ok imo, is upgrading Holden on the bottom pair the fix we need?

Zaitsev as the 7th clearly could use an upgrade, but the RD in the top 6 seem to be performing adequately in their roles. Not to say we couldn't improve with an upgrade on them, but I don't know that's what's holding us back.

Its really hard to say, because it seems that its as a whole group they've struggled a bit, but as you point out, on an individual role basis, they have been mostly fine and personally, I have been mostly satisfied. I like the 2nd pairing and Zub/Chabot were looking good just before he got hurt.

Maybe it's more so the glaring hole Zub has left magnifying the issue atm. We really need him back.

If we could find a top 4 upgrade, I think Hamonic being pushed in to Holden's role would pay dividends of an improved 3rd pairing beyond just the top 4 upgrade in itself.

 

[CornerStone61]

Probably just because he posted an article about potential buyers, I think that’s all he was referencing:

So many people disappointed in that tweet based on his previous tweet hyping something up lmao

 

[Micklebot]

Belleville is dealing with a bunch of injuries too right now though so I doubt we see any callups unless the issue becomes dire.

Well if we call up one of JBD or Lassi, they do get Heatherington back.

 

[branch]

Did an amazing job with picking up our top 6 talent this summer, credit where it’s due.

Did an amazingly poor job with our glaring need for a right side defence man, criticism definitely warranted.

Didn’t take a 30 year career in hockey to see it was the teams biggest need.

John Marino looks amazing for the Devils right now...I didn't know he was so good

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Do you think the second pairing will greatly improve with a change? Idk how much better we can expect. Wed likely see more improvement from Hamonic upgrading the bottom pair in that scenario then directly to the second pair.

That said, my point is more the defense ses to take a lot of heat, but imo it's support from the forwards that has been lacking in the loses. Pinto and Stützle seem overwhelmed with Norris gone,

This I agree with to an extent. Norris has been a harder loss for us to insulate than I thought he would be considering Pinto/Stutzle.

 

[Micklebot]

Probably just because he posted an article about potential buyers, I think that’s all he was referencing:

Kind of nice to see this bit, I have liked to initiatives they've taken in their short time as owners

The expectation is the family will keep a legacy piece out of respect for their late-father Eugene Melnyk, who passed away in March after a lengthy illness

 

[Perratrooper]

Bounced some questions off you guys yesterday and sorry if I have a very poor understanding of Sens players (have only caught a few games over the last couple years). Would something around D. Toews+Newhook+ for Pinto+Batheson be even in the realm of reasonable or these two to close to untouchable for Sens fans?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Bounced some questions off you guys yesterday and sorry if I have a very poor understanding of Sens players (have only caught a few games over the last couple years). Would something around D. Toews+Newhook+ for Pinto+Batheson be even in the realm of reasonable or these two to close to untouchable for Sens fans?

Definitely off the mark and those two are probably just a non starter. How about Formenton for Toews?

 

[BondraTime]

Sens have no real top 4 prospects in the system, especially with the glaring need on the right side.

They need to trade for one, asap.

Thomson and JBD aren’t going to be the answer for us in those slots, neither looks like they will become a top 4 guy, and both have quite big warts in different areas of the game.

We don’t want a Demelo in our top 4, I know we all like to reminisce about him, but we are not going anywhere with a placeholder, of his ilk, in that spot who can just get by.

 

[bert]

One player away from what?

We are several players and a new systems away. Defense is clearly a weakness. We need new defensive structures and better personnel

We only have young players lol. We can’t have them all

So if you are going to start trading young players you should be close to being a playoff team at the very least. They are going to be pressed against the cap. Trying to win now mode when they havent shown any ability to do so is a waste of assets.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

So if you are going to start trading young players you should be close to being a playoff team at the very least. They are going to be pressed against the cap. Trying to win now mode when they havent shown any ability to do so is a waste of assets.

I think we are close to contending for the playoffs. A decent coach can have us battling to the playoffs until very late in the season. IMO.

 

[Cosmix]

Yeah i think our defence was fine with Zub in. The noticeable things with him gone though is Brannstrom seemed to really struggle playing on the top pairing.
And Zaitsev can't play even limited 5 on 5 minutes.

At this point id rather play JBD or Thomson 7 minutes a night than Zaitsev. Let them sink or swim in the limited capacity Zaits is failing at now and see how it goes. Zub is back in a week or two and we can reevalute then.

Belleville is dealing with a bunch of injuries too right now though so I doubt we see any callups unless the issue becomes dire.

I think the issue will become dire going forward as the team hovers below .500. Hamonic needs to be moved down to 3rd pair and we need a better RD on the 2nd pair with Sanderson. I doubt that Thomson or JBD fit the requirement as both are not big, strong and physical which is a weakness in the top 4 at this time. Zaitzev needs to go asap to open up budget dollars and cap.

 

[bert]

I think we are close to contending for the playoffs. A decent coach can have us battling to the playoffs until very late in the season. IMO.

The coach isnt the biggest issue right now people just dont want to say it. Its been the play of the top players. Chabot, Stutzle and Batherson have been terrible. Obviously the Zub injury is bad and the team doesnt have alot of defensive depth so there is more exposure when he goes down. But your number 4 d man isnt the difference in these games its when your best players get destroyed by the other teams best players. These guys simply have to be much better. They drive the bus.

 

[Karl Prime]

Definitely off the mark and those two are probably just a non starter. How about Formenton for Toews?

It would take a lot more than Formenton for Colorado to entertain a Toews trade.

 

[Cosmix]

I am beginning to think we need a new coach who will hold the players accountable for poor play without the puck in the N and D zones. We also need a coach who focuses on making each player play smarter without the puck; a coach like Sutter.

 

[DaveMatthew]

The coach isnt the biggest issue right now people just dont want to say it. Its been the play of the top players. Chabot, Stutzle and Batherson have been terrible. Obviously the Zub injury is bad and the team doesnt have alot of defensive depth so there is more exposure when he goes down. But your number 4 d man isnt the difference in these games its when your best players get destroyed by the other teams best players. These guys simply have to be much better. They drive the bus.

Sure, but how do they become better? They need someone to coach them.

A coach's job isn't just to keep the mood light. A coach needs to develop young players. To teach them. Like Jacques Martin did with Hossa, Redden, Chara, Havlat, etc. Those guys didn't become top-end players by themselves. It didn't just happen.

It'd be one thing if it looked like an effort problem. But it doesn't seem like it. Those guys are trying. They're just making bad plays and going to the wrong spots.

DJ seems like a great guy. I have no doubt the players like him. But he seems very out of his depth.

 

[Micklebot]

Sure, but how do they become better? They need someone to coach them.

A coach's job isn't just to keep the mood light. A coach needs to develop young players. Like Jacques Martin did with Hossa, Redden, Chara, Havlat, etc. Those guys didn't become top-end players by themselves.

DJ seems like a great guy. I have no doubt the players like him. But he seems very out of his depth.

I mean, both Stützle and Batherson showed huge progress under DJ just last year. Young players had ups and downs under Martin back in the day too. Seems like when things are good we praise the player and when the players struggle its on the coach. I've got my issues with DJ, but the piling on seems a bit much

 

[Perratrooper]

Definitely off the mark and those two are probably just a non starter. How about Formenton for Toews?

Thank you for the feedback, I figured it was worth the ask to be able to understand value of respective players on the Sens. My rationale was long the lines that Batheson was a stud last year and is off to an incredible start this year, but has missed some games and Pinto is off to an hot start to the year, but the sample size is small and he missed almost all of last year due to injury. Both are projected to be/are very good too 6 forwards however Pinto is largely unproven and both have some level of injury history.

The inverse is that Toews is definitely a top pairing defenseman and is arguably a top 15 defenseman in the league. Newhook on the other hand is a highly touted prospect who is certainly already an NHL player, but has struggled this year to carve out a top 6 role playing with Rodgrigues and Nichuskin.

Regardless, if Sens fans don’t want to move either/both of these two I totally understand.

As for Formentin for Toews, I think the equivalent would be offering Lehkonen for Chabot if Lehkonen had the chance of his career being ended based on speculation regarding the world junior team.

 

[Dan Patrick]

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