Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[BondraTime]

Did an amazing job with picking up our top 6 talent this summer, credit where it’s due.

Did an amazingly poor job with our glaring need for a right side defence man, criticism definitely warranted.

Didn’t take a 30 year career in hockey to see it was the teams biggest need.

 

[Micklebot]

Did an amazing job with picking up our top 6 talent this summer, credit where it’s due.

Did an amazingly poor job with our glaring need for a right side defence man, criticism definitely warranted.

Didn’t take a 30 year career in hockey to see it was the teams biggest need.

We are in an awkward situation at RD, we have an obvious immediate need, and two former 1st Rd picks developing in Belleville who are just on the bubble. I feel like JBD makes the club out of camp if our LD were more established but with Sanderson being a rookie and Brannstrom not quite solidified, they wanted a more vet presence in the bottom 4, so Holden and Zaitsev retain that 6/7 role.

That's not to say JBD or Thomson fix the D right now, maybe in a year though.

 

[BondraTime]

We are in an awkward situation at RD, we have an obvious immediate need, and two former 1st Rd picks developing in Belleville who are just on the bubble. I feel like JBD makes the club out of camp if our LD were more established but with Sanderson being a rookie and Brannstrom not quite solidified, they wanted a more vet presence in the bottom 4, so Holden and Zaitsev retain that 6/7 role.

That's not to say JBD or Thomson fix the D right now, maybe in a year though.

I can’t see either JBD or Thomson making a difference at any point, neither guy looks to be anything more than a cup of coffee bottom pairing guy to me at this point.

JBD is steady, that will help for sure, but don’t thinn there’s much upside there.

Don’t think adding either guy to our bottom pair makes any difference moving forward, and I definitely think we take a step back/stall with either in the top 4.

They need a 20 minute a night guy in the 2nd pair, that’s if they keep Zub.

If they lose Zub, the team is boned. No way we are able to fill 2 top 4 right side D in an off-season. The only top 4 RD the Sens have picked up through the draft or free agency in the past 20 years are Karlsson, Zub and Gonchar.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Greig has to be available for a d man.

 

[Micklebot]

I can’t see either JBD or Thomson making a difference at any point, neither guy looks to be anything more than a cup of coffee bottom pairing guy to me at this point.

JBD is steady, that will help for sure, but don’t thinn there’s much upside there.

Don’t think adding either guy to our bottom pair makes any difference moving forward, and I definitely think we take a step back/stall with either in the top 4.

They need a 20 minute a night guy in the 2nd pair, that’s if they keep Zub.

If they lose Zub, the team is boned. No way we are able to fill 2 top 4 right side D in an off-season. The only top 4 RD the Sens have picked up through the draft or free agency in the past 20 years are Karlsson, Zub and Gonchar.

Hmm, I'm a bit higher on JBD than you I guess. I see him as a guy that can potentially fit in beside one of Chabot or Sanderson for a long time, to me, steady is what those guys need.

 

[bert]

Greig has to be available for a d man.

This team isn't one player away. No young players should be available for anything. Zub needs to be extended before this team does anything with its roster.

Hmm, I'm a bit higher on JBD than you I guess. I see him as a guy that can potentially fit in beside one of Chabot or Sanderson for a long time, to me, steady is what those guys need.

Why are you high on him? He's never even had a stretch where he has shown top 4 NHL ability. He's too slow for being that small. I don't see it on any level.

Thomson has actually shown top 4 talent. His skating allows him to have that ceiling. Much rather see him get called up.

 

[Micklebot]

Why are you high on him? He's never even had a stretch where he has shown top 4 NHL ability. He's too slow for being that small. I don't see it on any level.

Thomson has actually shown top 4 talent. His skating allows him to have that ceiling. Much rather see him get called up.

I guess we're just seeing different things. He's positionally very sound, I don't find him slow myself, and I've seen him do a great job of breaking up plays on the rush and at entry against high end players. He makes the simple plays to start the breakout in our end and just seems pretty reliable. He won't do what Thomson does in the Ozone or skate it out to lead a rush but I don't think we need him to with Sanderson and Chabot (not to mention Brannstrom), I find he's less prone to gaffs than Thomson is too.

I do think he could use a bit more size/strength though.

 

[Dan Patrick]

- re-sign Formenton
- Tkachuk, Norris, Batherson, Sanderson, Pinto, Stutzle are untouchable IMO
- make a deal for Scott Mayfield RD
- re-sign Zub

Don't think the team is giving Formenton any money given the implication he is involved in a major sexual assault scandal. He will very likely not play for the team this year. Which is fine.

 

[bert]

I guess we're just seeing different things. He's positionally very sound, I don't find him slow myself, and I've seen him do a great job of breaking up plays on the rush and at entry against high end players. He makes the simple plays to start the breakout in our end and just seems pretty reliable. He won't do what Thomson does in the Ozone or skate it out to lead a rush but I don't think we need him to with Sanderson and Chabot (not to mention Brannstrom), I find he's less prone to gaffs than Thomson is too.

I do think he could use a bit more size/strength though.

He has yet to do that at the NHL level. He gets beat to loose pucks because he is slow. Thomson is a way better defender off the rush. You also advocated that the sens could replace Zub internally this summer and argued he wasn't worth 5 million per. And that this summer they were looking for an offensive d man. When really it was just any competent d man as there quite clearly a massive hole.

 

[Micklebot]

He has yet to do that at the NHL level. He gets beat to loose pucks because he is slow. Thomson is a way better defender off the rush.

Like I said, were seeing different things. Not much more I can say than that

 

[TheNewEra]

jets might be willing to trade a dman, there isnt that flexibility there for next year but any of schmidt/demelo/dillion would help a lot

 

[Sens Vader]

We can't wait for the roster to be picture-perfect before we start winning. Every team has holes.

This roster is good enough to be competitive, get a new coach.

 

[Big Muddy]

Regarding the JBD & Thomson debate, I am on the fence as far as their ceiling as players. Maybe they are just average bottom pairing defenders at the NHL level, maybe they are more. But, I do think they are going to need some games on the big club sometime in the near future so we can see what we have.

Resigning Zub is a massive priority. If we have to find 2 RDs, that is going to be tough.

 

[GCK]

This team isn't one player away. No young players should be available for anything. Zub needs to be extended before this team does anything with its roster.


Why are you high on him? He's never even had a stretch where he has shown top 4 NHL ability. He's too slow for being that small. I don't see it on any level.

Thomson has actually shown top 4 talent. His skating allows him to have that ceiling. Much rather see him get called up.

Greig should be available if we are getting a longer term D piece but definitely not for a 2-3 year guy.

I disagree on your assessment of JBD but until he proves it the jury is out, just like Thomson.

 

[HSF]

We are in an awkward situation at RD, we have an obvious immediate need, and two former 1st Rd picks developing in Belleville who are just on the bubble. I feel like JBD makes the club out of camp if our LD were more established but with Sanderson being a rookie and Brannstrom not quite solidified, they wanted a more vet presence in the bottom 4, so Holden and Zaitsev retain that 6/7 role.

That's not to say JBD or Thomson fix the D right now, maybe in a year though.

neither JBD or Thomson look like long term top 4 options.

 

[SlapJack]

Did an amazing job with picking up our top 6 talent this summer, credit where it’s due.

Did an amazingly poor job with our glaring need for a right side defence man, criticism definitely warranted.

Didn’t take a 30 year career in hockey to see it was the teams biggest need.

I'm sure he tried. Just about every team is looking for RD, not easy to acquire without overpaying.

 

[Mingus Dew]

This team isn't one player away. No young players should be available for anything. Zub needs to be extended before this team does anything with its roster.


Why are you high on him? He's never even had a stretch where he has shown top 4 NHL ability. He's too slow for being that small. I don't see it on any level.

Thomson has actually shown top 4 talent. His skating allows him to have that ceiling. Much rather see him get called up.

We may have gotten a bit overzealous with the Cat trade tbh. Agree that we are not close to consistent playoff contention and just adding a RHD is not going to push us over the edge.

 

[GCK]

neither JBD or Thomson look like long term top 4 options.

Both are potential top 4 options.

 

[HSF]

Both are potential top 4 options.

seems highly unlikely

their potential seems more bottom pairing who can step in. They also don't really help us this year

If there is a GM who thinks their potential is higher I would explore getting a more proven defensemen and use them as trade chips

 

[Alex1234]

Said it numerous times but I would go after Scott mayfield real hard
Not a fan of Chychrun but they need help big time so...

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It does appear that the personnel on RD is an issue, as predicted by many. I don't know what the solution is, but it is looking more likely that they will need to do something to not let this season be a wash.

 

[bert]

Greig should be available if we are getting a longer term D piece but definitely not for a 2-3 year guy.

I disagree on your assessment of JBD but until he proves it the jury is out, just like Thomson.

Thomson has showed it at the NHL level. Haven't seen JBD do it yet. Last place teams shouldn't be trading 20 year old first rounders until they show they're close. They already gave up a ton for Debrincat.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This team isn't one player away. No young players should be available for anything. Zub needs to be extended before this team does anything with its roster.


Why are you high on him? He's never even had a stretch where he has shown top 4 NHL ability. He's too slow for being that small. I don't see it on any level.

Thomson has actually shown top 4 talent. His skating allows him to have that ceiling. Much rather see him get called up.

One player away from what?

We are several players and a new systems away. Defense is clearly a weakness. We need new defensive structures and better personnel

We only have young players lol. We can’t have them all

 

[GCK]

We may have gotten a bit overzealous with the Cat trade tbh. Agree that we are not close to consistent playoff contention and just adding a RHD is not going to push us over the edge.

I like the Debrincat trade. Even if we don’t re-sign him I feel we can get a better piece than 7OA in this past draft.

 

[GCK]

Thomson has showed it at the NHL level. Haven't seen JBD do it yet. Last place teams shouldn't be trading 20 year old first rounders until they show they're close. They already gave up a ton for Debrincat.

If we were able to acquire a guy like Ryan Pullock who has 7 more years after this by using Greig I’d be all for it.

I’m not saying Pullock would be available.