Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Ok? My biggest concern is he can't play 2nd line minutes in the OHL when he's older and bigger than the rest of the kids. How the hell could anyone think he's going to do just that in the NHL

Ok? But all I said was "injuries as a teen don't necessarily mean injuries moving forward". I didn't say anything about Boucher as a player. Jeez. Tragedy is right.

 

[Tragedy]

Lots of guys have been written off as glass who have totally gotten over their injury troubles by their mid20s. It’s a negative, for sure, but if that’s the only thing you think will keep him from being an NHLer then I don’t think it’s as cut and dry than you are saying

Ok? But all I said was "injuries as a teen don't necessarily mean injuries moving forward". I didn't say anything about Boucher as a player. Jeez. Tragedy is right.

I was pointing out him being glass wasn't my only concern, my big concern is he can't outplay smaller younger kids. Jeez. Devilish Buffoon is right.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

When was the last time a 1st was traded for a goalie? That’s essentially the Hart convo. It’s absurd. You don’t trade first round picks for goalies or 3rd liners unless your Dubas.

Everybody shitting on Boucher better bookmark their posts when he’s our 3rd line RW that can move up to our second. Guys gonna be a player.

A lot of people on here shit on the Tkachuk pick as well. It took a while for people to change their opinion on Tkachuk, even after he demonstrated plenty at the NHL level. Most likely, those same people are going to shit on Boucher for just as long. But, just like Tkachuk, most people will change their opinion of him if he demonstrates certain things at the NHL level.

He certainly is an interesting player with the tools to be successful.

 

[bicboi64]

Garland just had his worst season since he was a rookie and he finished with 46 points, which is more than Laughton has produced in his best season.

Obviously isn't the same kind of two-way player, but if one is being given away for free or even with an asset attached and the other will cost a mid-late 1st + more, it's an easy decision.

If the Flyers were willing to accept Boucher + 2nd I'd strongly consider it.

Garlands also a puck hound, would be aggressive keeping/retrieving possession of the puck like we haven't had since CBrown.

If just move Cat for assets, Garland for whatever the Nucks will take would be a decent move.

 

[Micklebot]

A lot of people on here shit on the Tkachuk pick as well. It took a while for people to change their opinion on Tkachuk, even after he demonstrated plenty at the NHL level. Most likely, those same people are going to shit on Boucher for just as long. But, just like Tkachuk, most people will change their opinion of him if he demonstrates certain things at the NHL level.

He certainly is an interesting player with the tools to be successful.

That comparison is completely unfair, Tkachuk immediately showed people why we picked him, he was instantly proving people wrong, Boucher on the other hand has struggled since being drafted, maybe he turns it around, power forwards take longer after all, but this is completely different than people preferring a guy like Hughes, Dobson or even Zadina, Boucher simply hasn't had a great start to his post draft career.

 

[BondraTime]

A lot of people on here shit on the Tkachuk pick as well. It took a while for people to change their opinion on Tkachuk, even after he demonstrated plenty at the NHL level. Most likely, those same people are going to shit on Boucher for just as long. But, just like Tkachuk, most people will change their opinion of him if he demonstrates certain things at the NHL level.

He certainly is an interesting player with the tools to be successful.

That comparison isn't remotely close to being relevant

Tkachuk proved his worth immediately after being drafted, Boucher has done the opposite for 2 seasons

This isn't a fans don't like physical power forward thing, it's a Boucher, a questionable at best pick from the start, has been objectively bad thing.

 

[SENStastic]

Trading 17 OA for Laughton is like Bunting on the first pitch of the game.

If we're lucky enough to get 17OA in this years draft, we cant trade it away as the main piece for Laughton unless its part of a larger trade for a bigger package. You can get a much better talent than Laughton with that pick given how deep this years draft.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

That comparison is completely unfair, Tkachuk immediately showed people why we picked him, he was instantly proving people wrong, Boucher on the other hand has struggled since being drafted, maybe he turns it around, power forwards take longer after all, but this is completely different than people preferring a guy like Hughes, Dobson or even Zadina, Boucher simply hasn't had a great start to his post draft career.

The point was that people on here shit on Tkachuk until he demonstrated things at the NHL level that got them to change their perspective and opinion. No amount of arguing was going to convince his critics that even though he scored 8 goals in his draft year that he was going to score 30+ goals at the NHL level. Tkachuk needed to prove his critics wrong.

Even after demonstrating solid production at the NHL level, there were still people arguing that Zadina was going to be better in the long run, and that they were going to cap Tkachuk's upside to around a 50-60 point player. I argued with people that he could have Jamie Benn like production, and they thought that was beyond him, until what he demonstrated this season.

With Boucher, no one is changing their opinion on him, until he proves something to them. If Boucher spends the majority of the season in the AHL and puts up solid numbers, he will win over a few critics. Once he cracks the NHL, if he puts up some decent numbers he will win over a few more critics. The point is that he will need to demonstrate a lot for a while before the majority of Boucher critics will change their tune on him.

 

[Micklebot]

The point was that people on here shit on Tkachuk until he demonstrated things at the NHL level that got them to change their perspective and opinion. No amount of arguing was going to convince his critics that even though he scored 8 goals in his draft year that he was going to score 30+ goals at the NHL level. Tkachuk needed to prove his critics wrong.

Well sure, nobody will change their mind with zero new information.

Even after demonstrating solid production at the NHL level, there were still people arguing that Zadina was going to be better in the long run, and that they were going to cap Tkachuk's upside to around a 50-60 point player. I argued with people that he could have Jamie Benn like production, and they thought that was beyond him, until what he demonstrated this season.

That's more to do with people still having high hopes for Zadina, and a few outliers that refuse to acknowledge Tkachuk was better than they though, but a lot of people did admit they were wrong about Tkachuck after his first year.

With Boucher, no one is changing their opinion on him, until he proves something to them. If Boucher spends the majority of the season in the AHL and puts up solid numbers, he will win over a few critics. Once he cracks the NHL, if he puts up some decent numbers he will win over a few more critics. The point is that he will need to demonstrate a lot for a while before the majority of Boucher critics will change their tune on him.

The thing is he's had plenty of opportunities to prove doubters wrong, it doesn't have to happen at the NHL level, people shit on Norris after the Karlsson trade then he had a good season in college before getting hurt, followed that up with a good season in the AHL and translated Into a good season in the NHL, people saw progression and changed the tune fairly quickly.

If all you're trying to say is until Boucher actually plays well at any level people won't change their tune, then sure, but he's failed to impress across two seasons and two leagues, given a reason people can change their tune but he's done nothing to give anyone reason to change their tune.

 

[BondraTime]

Boucher has done nothing in 2 years to make anyone change their tune. It’s not like he was drafted a month ago and now we wait and see what we have. We’ve been able to watch him for 2 years.

It was a questionable reach, and each season since he has underwhelmed, by a gigantic amount, for what you expect from an NHL pick, regardless of where they were chosen.

We’ve already seen that the 2021 draft had some very bad scouting by the Sens, this looks like another example of that, even though he’ll be a future 4th line guy, and a fan favorite.

 

[Que]

I love Laughton but as a return for DeBrincat that is a terrible lateral move.

I’d feel more confident trading DeBrincat (plus) for 41, 42 and 43 from Detroit and trusting Mann and co. with hitting on three consecutive 2nd round picks.

Then let Staios as POHO dictate who Dorion should be going after in free agency. Could sign Barbashev, Perry and Frederic for the money we’d invest in DeBrincat and the other two roster spots.

 

[aragorn]

I love Laughton but as a return for DeBrincat that is a terrible lateral move.

I’d feel more confident trading DeBrincat (plus) for 41, 42 and 43 from Detroit and trusting Mann and co. with hitting on three consecutive 2nd round picks.

Then let Staios as POHO dictate who Dorion should be going after in free agency. Could sign Barbashev, Perry and Frederic for the money we’d invest in DeBrincat and the other two roster spots.

What if we could get both Laughton & Hart with a DeBrincat plus deal potentially involving a 3rd team? Someone will be willing to pay some assets including picks for more scoring, both Detroit & Carolina could be interested.

 

[Sens Vader]

I see DBC to Detroit, Nashville, St Louis, or Carolina

They each have mid to late first-round picks (17ova, 15ova/24ova, 25ova/29ova, 30ova)

One of these picks or one of these picks + could land Laughton

Minny could be another team to look at too, and then we can try to add again in FA

 

[Wondercarrot]

if we are using DeBrincat/DeBrincat assets and maybe + for someone off the Flyer roster it better be Konency and not Laughton.

 

[stempniaksen]

DeBrincat to Detroit/Carolina/Team X for a 1st + Youngish NHL body + Prospect.
Tyler Boucher + Mid/Late 1st (from DeBrincat deal) + for Konecny or Laughton.
Sign one of Bunting/Killorn/C.Brown in Free Agency.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
X - Norris - Batherson
X - Pinto - Joseph

X's are some combination of Konecny/Laughton/Bunting/Killorn/C.Brown/*Formenton

I don't know if it's better, but it's a deeper forward group and makes the best of a bad (having to deal DeBrincat) situation.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

If we can trade Debrincat for a sub-$6m 2nd liner, I’d take a hard look at Barclays Goodrow. Excellent 3rd liner who has won it all and will be available for minimal assets. Laughton is the better player but not by a huge margin and not necessarily the better player for us

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

DeBrincat to Detroit/Carolina/Team X for a 1st + Youngish NHL body + Prospect.
Tyler Boucher + Mid/Late 1st (from DeBrincat deal) + for Konecny or Laughton.
Sign one of Bunting/Killorn/C.Brown in Free Agency.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
X - Norris - Batherson
X - Pinto - Joseph

X's are some combination of Konecny/Laughton/Bunting/Killorn/C.Brown/*Formenton

I don't know if it's better, but it's a deeper forward group and makes the best of a bad (having to deal DeBrincat) situation.

Prefer X-Pinto-XXXXXXXXXXX

 

[Que]

What if we could get both Laughton & Hart with a DeBrincat plus deal potentially involving a 3rd team? Someone will be willing to pay some assets including picks for more scoring, both Detroit & Carolina could be interested.

I’d stay away from Hart personally. Outside of a couple good streaks he’s been a below average goalie for his career and then there’s the TC stuff in the background. Also, I’d honestly give up on Laughton and let some team pay a ransom for him.

If we’re trading with Philly or Carolina I think Detroit will have to be the 3rd team. I’m having a hard time believing Alex wants to go anywhere else.

 

[aragorn]

I’d stay away from Hart personally. Outside of a couple good streaks he’s been a below average goalie for his career and then there’s the TC stuff in the background. Also, I’d honestly give up on Laughton and let some team pay a ransom for him.

If we’re trading with Philly or Carolina I think Detroit will have to be the 3rd team. I’m having a hard time believing Alex wants to go anywhere else.

DBC could go to Detroit & the return most likely picks/prospect could go the other way to Philly in a 3 way, Ott might have to add to the deal & I would throw in Joeph & Brannstrom. But it doesn't have to be with Philly it's just that those two make about what DBC wants in salary. There might be another team out there where Ott could make a deal & still have Detroit as the 3rd team, but who else has a #1 goalie & a potential 2nd line LW who is hard to play against, tough, can play the PK & add some offence? No matter what the return is there will always be people on here who won't like the deal & will shit on it, especially if it's Dorion making the deal.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

So which former Hamilton Bulldog is a UFA that we could be targeting?

 

[bert]

Trade Debrincat for picks attack the UFA market.

I would do Debrincat with Detroit for 17 th OA 41 OA and Andrew Copp.

 

[Puikiou]

DeBrincat to Detroit/Carolina/Team X for a 1st + Youngish NHL body + Prospect.
Tyler Boucher + Mid/Late 1st (from DeBrincat deal) + for Konecny or Laughton.
Sign one of Bunting/Killorn/C.Brown in Free Agency.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
X - Norris - Batherson
X - Pinto - Joseph

X's are some combination of Konecny/Laughton/Bunting/Killorn/C.Brown/*Formenton

I don't know if it's better, but it's a deeper forward group and makes the best of a bad (having to deal DeBrincat) situation.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Trade Debrincat for picks attack the UFA market.

I would do Debrincat with Detroit for 17 th OA 41 OA and Andrew Copp.

Detroit sold at the trade deadline, I doubt they really want DBC and have to give him a phat contract based on his time with Patrick Kane.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Trade Debrincat for picks attack the UFA market.

I would do Debrincat with Detroit for 17 th OA 41 OA and Andrew Copp.

Copp is slightly overpaid but he's a dope player.

Don't think Detroit does this tbh. Would be a best case scenario for us.

 

[bert]

Copp is slightly overpaid but he's a dope player.

Don't think Detroit does this tbh. Would be a best case scenario for us.

Detroit might need to move some salary to fit in Debrincat so I thought Copp might be a good option. He is also the type of player the sens are missing, he is versatile can play in any situation in any forward position. Solid middle 6 forward. Contract takes him to 32/33 so its not bad in my opinion.

If it was just 17 + Copp id still do it.

Detroit sold at the trade deadline, I doubt they really want DBC and have to give him a phat contract based on his time with Patrick Kane.

They sold at the deadline because they were missing the playoffs its what they should have been doing. You need to know when its your time. Something Dorion did not figure out. Debrincat fits into their age scheme really well actually. Theyre also missing legit top 6ers their team make up he makes more sense than here in Ottawa.