Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic]

[GCK]

It better be Hart, Laughton, and the 22nd overall for Debrincat

That’s more than we paid for Debrincat

 

[Cosmix]

Last year was absolutely an aberration, but by no means is he too good to be slotted as a 4RW.

I would like to keep Jo if we can fill out our roster without sacrificing him. But the comment that he is too good or paid too much for the 4th line doesnt carry water for me.

He also would still play decent minutes since he PKs, can do spot duty on PP2, and can jump up and down the lineup + play both wings.

I like Joseph's speed and think it would add to the attack on any of the top 3 lines. I don't know if Joseph can score 15 to 20 goals per season but based on his first few games with us he might be able to be a complementary winger and earn his salary; but not on the 4th line.

 

[aragorn]

That’s more than we paid for Debrincat

We'll throw in Brannstrom & Joseph.

 

[Cosmix]

Bewildering, isn't it?

Kevin Korchinski (#7) + Paul Ludwinski (#39) + 2024 3rd for Scott Laughton. That's nice.

Is that called "GM of the year" asset management?

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I like Joseph's speed and think it would add to the attack on any of the top 3 lines. I don't know if Joseph can score 15 to 20 goals per season but based on his first few games with us he might be able to be a complementary winger and earn his salary; but not on the 4th line.

I am fine with Joseph in the top 9 but I am also fine with him playing stretches on the 4th line. I really dont care about him "earning his salary" so long as it doesnt keep us from adding elsewhere.

 

[Boud]

I am fine with Joseph in the top 9 but I am also fine with him playing stretches on the 4th line. I really dont care about him "earning his salary" so long as it doesnt keep us from adding elsewhere.

I agree. Nothing wrong with him on the 4rth line if we have the depth to make It happen. He played 4rth line on Tampa when they had depth and he was pretty much providing what he's been giving us here in Ottawa. When he's at his best he's a good 3rd line player who PKs and plays with speed and tenacity but he's been pretty inconsistent this year.

Granted the team lacked depth this year and with Pinto (and another legit 3rd liner) it would give him a better opportunity to succeed in that role .... but great teams have great depth.

Looking at Vegas this year they have guys on their 4rth line who are just as good as Joseph. When the inevitable injuries happen and you have a Joseph that can move up it helps a lot. In a best case scenario you have Joseph and Kastelic on the 4rth and then you have 4 lines you can play and you're not scared of the matchups that much.

 

[Cosmix]

I am fine with Joseph in the top 9 but I am also fine with him playing stretches on the 4th line. I really dont care about him "earning his salary" so long as it doesnt keep us from adding elsewhere.

Playing stretches on the 4th line is OK by me; however, if he is only good enough to play regularly on the 4th line and not help the team score goals, then I would expect him to be traded at some point because $3M AAV is not what you pay for 4th liners who generally do not score many goals.

 

[Boud]

Playing stretches on the 4th line is OK by me; however, if he is only good enough to play regularly on the 4th line and not help the team score goals, then I would expect him to be traded at some point because $3M AAV is not what you pay for 4th liners who generally do not score many goals.

It depends on how the coach distributes ice time. If you have a good 4rth line that you can rely on to hammer opponents, get zone time and defend well you can use that line a lot more and the value you get from it means you have better matchups for your 3 best lines.

With the salary structure that we have at the moment we could make that happen.

Now I don't disagree that he likely would be one of the first guys to go if we need money to sign other guys.

 

[Cosmix]

It depends on how the coach distributes ice time. If you have a good 4rth line that you can rely on to hammer opponents, get zone time and defend well you can use that line a lot more and the value you get from it means you have better matchups for your 3 best lines.

With the salary structure that we have at the moment we could make that happen.

Now I don't disagree that he likely would be one of the first guys to go if we need money to sign other guys.

That is the situation we have this coming season due to salary retention. If we sign Debrincat at $8M AAV long term, we don't have much cap space left to acquire a VG goaltender.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Playing stretches on the 4th line is OK by me; however, if he is only good enough to play regularly on the 4th line and not help the team score goals, then I would expect him to be traded at some point because $3M AAV is not what you pay for 4th liners who generally do not score many goals.

I completely agree and I think there's a fair possibility that he doesn't play out his contract here. I'd love for Joseph to cement a spot on a top-end 3rd line but it's far from a given. As far as I'm concerned, the more competition the better.

I agree. Nothing wrong with him on the 4rth line if we have the depth to make It happen. He played 4rth line on Tampa when they had depth and he was pretty much providing what he's been giving us here in Ottawa. When he's at his best he's a good 3rd line player who PKs and plays with speed and tenacity but he's been pretty inconsistent this year.

Granted the team lacked depth this year and with Pinto (and another legit 3rd liner) it would give him a better opportunity to succeed in that role .... but great teams have great depth.

Looking at Vegas this year they have guys on their 4rth line who are just as good as Joseph. When the inevitable injuries happen and you have a Joseph that can move up it helps a lot. In a best case scenario you have Joseph and Kastelic on the 4rth and then you have 4 lines you can play and you're not scared of the matchups that much.

This sums up my thinking pretty well.

 

[Qward]

That’s more than we paid for Debrincat

We got Debrincat on a shitty contract situation, any trade we make will be a sign and trade.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I am fine with Joseph in the top 9 but I am also fine with him playing stretches on the 4th line. I really dont care about him "earning his salary" so long as it doesnt keep us from adding elsewhere.

Its a hole on the 3rd line. If they can afford him on the 4th line fine. That's where his play dictates he belongs and there are so many better options for the 3rd line.

 

[HSF]

DBC for Laughton? That’s terrible. We need to add a legit top 6 winger if DBC goes….

Why are the sens looking to spend assets on a 3rd liner when we have a bigger hole upfront

Also I rather bring formenton back in the fold. Unless the deal is formenton for Laughton cause formenton doesn’t want to play here

 

[BondraTime]

We got Debrincat on a shitty contract situation, any trade we make will be a sign and trade.

Friedman said just yesterday he doesn’t expect the Sens to allow teams to talk to DBC before a trade, no doubt in part because his list of teams has only Detroit on it who may look to trade for him.

DBC for Laughton? That’s terrible. We need to add a legit top 6 winger if DBC goes….

Why are the sens looking to spend assets on a 3rd liner when we have a bigger hole upfront

Also I rather bring formenton back in the fold. Unless the deal is formenton for Laughton cause formenton doesn’t want to play here

Teams wouldn’t take Formenton for a mid round pick last year. Philly has already turned down a 1st round pick for Laughton.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Nick Paul has produced at a 32P/82GP average the last 3 seasons.

After Dorion refused to offer 3M to him on a medium-term deal he was traded for Joseph, who's now a negative value player after he somehow managed to get basically the same contract Paul was asking for, despite being a worse player.

Scott Laughton has produced at a 38P/82GP average the last 3 seasons, and we're talking about trading a 1st for him to play the same kind of role Paul would have played on this team for the same salary (3M) had he been re-signed to the reasonable extension he was asking for.

Oh and that's if we can get a mid-1st back by trading the guy who we just dealt a top 10 pick + a 2nd + 3rd to acquire less than a year ago.

Can't make this shit up.

 

[Ouroboros]

I think it's fairly clear that the Flyers wouldn't want DeBrincat, so any deal for Laughton would either have to be a 3-way or a secondary deal where they move the futures acquired in the initial deal for Laughton.

Laughton makes sense for us - good player at a good number for the next few seasons.

You ship DeBrincat to Detroit for Kubalik+17 and then ship 17 to Philly for Laughton. Sign a guy like Raanta for 2 years at 3M and you've repurposed your 8M fairly well.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Kubalik-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Laughton
Sokolov-Kastelic-Joseph

Something like that would be the best 1-12 forwards we've had in ages.

 

[Micklebot]

I think it's fairly clear that the Flyers wouldn't want DeBrincat, so any deal for Laughton would either have to be a 3-way or a secondary deal where they move the futures acquired in the initial deal for Laughton.

Laughton makes sense for us - good player at a good number for the next few seasons.

You ship DeBrincat to Detroit for Kubalik+17 and then ship 17 to Philly for Laughton. Sign a guy like Raanta for 2 years at 3M and you've repurposed your 8M fairly well.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Kubalik-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Laughton
Sokolov-Kastelic-Joseph

Something like that would be the best 1-12 forwards we've had in ages.

Holy crap Laughton isn't worth 17 OA, what is going on...

 

[Boud]

I think it's fairly clear that the Flyers wouldn't want DeBrincat, so any deal for Laughton would either have to be a 3-way or a secondary deal where they move the futures acquired in the initial deal for Laughton.

Laughton makes sense for us - good player at a good number for the next few seasons.

You ship DeBrincat to Detroit for Kubalik+17 and then ship 17 to Philly for Laughton. Sign a guy like Raanta for 2 years at 3M and you've repurposed your 8M fairly well.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Kubalik-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Laughton
Sokolov-Kastelic-Joseph

Something like that would be the best 1-12 forwards we've had in ages.

The logic around the deal makes sense but I hope the player we get from the trade isn't Kubalik.

Someone either younger that can fit in longer term or a player with more term so we don't take unnecessary risk again.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What did we get for Connor Brown? I realize there is more term left with Laughton which matters but .. We only got a 2nd for Brown with a year left.

If Laughton is worth more than Brown .. how much more? Erik Brannstrom more?

Joseph would be good to move but If I am Philly I am not trading Salaries Laughton for Joseph.

2nd + Brannstrom for Laughton.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I think it's fairly clear that the Flyers wouldn't want DeBrincat, so any deal for Laughton would either have to be a 3-way or a secondary deal where they move the futures acquired in the initial deal for Laughton.

Laughton makes sense for us - good player at a good number for the next few seasons.

You ship DeBrincat to Detroit for Kubalik+17 and then ship 17 to Philly for Laughton. Sign a guy like Raanta for 2 years at 3M and you've repurposed your 8M fairly well.

Tkachuk-Stutzle-Giroux
Kubalik-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Laughton
Sokolov-Kastelic-Joseph

Something like that would be the best 1-12 forwards we've had in ages.

I’d prefer the extra money after Laughton to go to a goalie.

 

[BondraTime]

Holy crap Laughton isn't worth 17 OA, what is going on...

It’s likely the only pick on the table from 15-25 for DBC, the Flyers have already turned down a late first, and the Sens have absolute bupkis in the system or in picks to make that work for the Flyers.

If the Sens want Laughton, it’s going to take whatever the best asset the return in the DBC trade is, because the Sens have absolutely nothing else to offer unless you want to give up Kleven or Grieg.

 

[Micklebot]

It’s likely the only pick on the table from 15-25 for DBC, the Flyers have already turned down a late first, and the Sens have absolute bupkis in the system or in picks to make that work for the Flyers.

If the Sens want Laughton, it’s going to take whatever the best asset the return in the DBC trade is, because the Sens have absolutely nothing else to offer unless you want to give up Kleven or Grieg.

Fine, then move on to another target or hold off till the price comes down, getting tunnel vision on a player that the price is clearly inflated on isn't going to help us.

 

[Cosmix]

We'll throw in Brannstrom & Joseph.

But then . . .

 

[Hale The Villain]

I like Laughton as a player but we'd be better off looking elsewhere if it's going to cost anywhere close to a mid-1st for a guy who just hit 40 points for the first time in his career at age 29.

Much rather just take Garland for free off Vancouver's hands, or take advantage of some other team that has put themselves in cap trouble.

 

[BondraTime]

Fine, then move on to another target or hold off till the price comes down, getting tunnel vision on a player that the price is clearly inflated on isn't going to help us.

Absolutely, I think trading anything more than a 2nd for Laughton is awful.

Unfortunately, the same guard that’s been behind roster decisions for the past 7 years is in charge for the next while.