Rumor: Trade Rumors Thread XV: Rangers allowing a team to talk to Callahan

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HatTrick Swayze

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I love Ryan Callahan and everything he represents. The fan in me would absolutely love to see him sign long term to stay.

But I really, really, question if giving him a 6M x 5-6 yr deal is the right thing for the franchise. He has looked like a shell of himself this year. How will he look in 3 years? At the end of the day I root for the Rangers, not individuals, and root for them to do everything possible to win the Cup.

If it gets done, great, I will love watching Callahan for the next however many years and hope that it works out. But what my brain is telling me is really clashing with what I want as a fan.
 

haveandare

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I love Ryan Callahan and everything he represents. The fan in me would absolutely love to see him sign long term to stay.

But I really, really, question if giving him a 6M x 5-6 yr deal is the right thing for the franchise. He has looked like a shell of himself this year. How will he look in 3 years? At the end of the day I root for the Rangers, not individuals, and root for them to do everything possible to win the Cup.

If it gets done, great, I will love watching Callahan for the next however many years and hope that it works out. But what my brain is telling me is really clashing with what I want as a fan.

What I personally struggle with is the question of what the cap is going to look like in 3 years. What will a 6 million dollar deal today look like by then? Will it be a crippling hit?
 

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Trading Callahan would be asinine. Not only would you wreck this season but you would be gutting the identity of the team. And if by some inane reason it did happen, you should start looking at the very high end of rentals over the last 8-10 years and that's where the offers start. At a minimum the price would be a 1 & 2 plus NHL ready or able assets. Not the crap offers some are speculating.

That said, I think what you are seeing right now is nothing more than a well orchestrated strategy. First, the Rangers leak out that they are closing in on a deal with Girardi. That will probably get done in a matter of days. And that sets a price bar and puts more heat on his best friend. Secondly, the Rangers leak the trade speculation to put pressure on Callahan. And Callahan's agent is willing to oblige knowing full well that the great majority of the fan base (and not just those who post on these boards) would go crazy if there was a trade.

There's nothing for Callahan in Buffalo. At best, if everything goes right for the Sabres over the next few years, they may be a contender by 2017. How broken down would Callahan be by then? And how broken down would his spirit be?
 

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If your heart is here, sign the contract, become a lifetime Ranger, and etch your name into the history books.

If not, decline, get dealt, gamble on an extra 30%, and likely be forgotten.

Your play, Callahan. The deal is there.
 

smoneil

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Part of the problem for me is that I don't think Cally's decline in play has anything to do with effort or desire. His style of hockey is a young man's game, and he's pushing 30. Some of you younger guys obviously can't really understand this yet (at least not first hand), but there are just some things your body stops letting you do around the big 3-0 (like make it through all nighters, or digesting certain foods, or drinking Beast Ice, or playing balls to the wall hockey).

He made his name by boosting his average skill level with physical, 110% play. When his body can't sustain that anymore (and looking at the last couple of years, it would be foolish to think that this hasn't already started to happen), what's left is an average player.

Average players don't get 6+ million over a long term contract. Not on a smart team.

6 million over two years, or his current salary over five years. Even that is paying a premium for nostalgia. Any more than that, and the contract instantly becomes a detriment to the team.
 

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That 30m over 5 years is better than the deal I'd hoped he'd get, about what I'd expect him to get.

I hope he takes it. If Slats decides to give him a little extra in the vein of 6.2 for 5 years, I'd be fine. Any more than that and even my eyebrows raise.
 

Kocur Dill

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I love Ryan Callahan and everything he represents. The fan in me would absolutely love to see him sign long term to stay.

But I really, really, question if giving him a 6M x 5-6 yr deal is the right thing for the franchise. He has looked like a shell of himself this year. How will he look in 3 years? At the end of the day I root for the Rangers, not individuals, and root for them to do everything possible to win the Cup.

If it gets done, great, I will love watching Callahan for the next however many years and hope that it works out. But what my brain is telling me is really clashing with what I want as a fan.


I don't understand why we cant go: 7 years 42 which is what he is asking

age 29: 8mil
age 30: 8mil
age 31: 6mil
age 32: 6mil
age 33: 4.33 mil
age 34: 4.33 mil
age 35: 4.33 mil

35 yo is not a long shot age for him even given his style. I don't belive those numbers are deviant cap circumventing numbers, and as Ola brought up, cap floor teams would take him on with the $6m cap hit yet $4.3 salary as a guy to mold their youth with. In 6 years $4.3m will probably be the going rate for the type of player Callahan is even given wear & tear.

If the cap is going up next year I don't see the problem here. We have a bunch of dead weight coming off the cap as is with Boyle, Asham, Powe, Moore, Poo.
 
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NernieBichols

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Based on what the Rangers became in the early 2000s, I stopped watching. I came back bc I was excited to A) have hockey back after the lockout and I then grew attached to the players coming up who put their bodies on the line and worked like they truly cared, a first in nearly 10 years. Honestly, Im more attached to the players still hear and the guys who left then I am to the organization at this point.

Let me tell you, the Rangers organization really cares about you the fan. Really they do. Its just tough love, they want to turn you upside down and cleanse you of all that nasty dirty money you have in your pockets. But its for your own good. Bc... like bc they are the rangers and its your team.
 

Kocur Dill

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If as reported Sather is willing to go 5/$30m at a aav of $6m. I dont see 7/42 as a problem given the laid out structure I presented in my last post.
 

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Trading Callahan would be asinine. Not only would you wreck this season but you would be gutting the identity of the team. And if by some inane reason it did happen, you should start looking at the very high end of rentals over the last 8-10 years and that's where the offers start. At a minimum the price would be a 1 & 2 plus NHL ready or able assets. Not the crap offers some are speculating.

That said, I think what you are seeing right now is nothing more than a well orchestrated strategy. First, the Rangers leak out that they are closing in on a deal with Girardi. That will probably get done in a matter of days. And that sets a price bar and puts more heat on his best friend. Secondly, the Rangers leak the trade speculation to put pressure on Callahan. And Callahan's agent is willing to oblige knowing full well that the great majority of the fan base (and not just those who post on these boards) would go crazy if there was a trade.

There's nothing for Callahan in Buffalo. At best, if everything goes right for the Sabres over the next few years, they may be a contender by 2017. How broken down would Callahan be by then? And how broken down would his spirit be?

I agree with a lot of your post. I don't understand the people saying that Buffalo is like being home for him. I live in Rochester. Buffalo is a very different place, and it's an hour and a half away by car over frequently snowy/icy roads. It's just as easy for him to hop a flight from NYC to Rochester.

I also think that there is an element of strategy in the team allowing other teams to talk to Cally's agent. It reminds me of a few years ago when the Yankees basically told Jeter to go on out and see what kinds of contracts the rest of the league was willing to give him. They knew, as much as it hurt to tell him so, that Jeter just wasn't worth as much on the market as he was asking from the Yankees. That would be a win-win for the Rangers. Either Cally learns that nobody is going to pony up his crazy demands, thus driving his price down, or he finds that someone will, which increases what the Rangers would get in trade for him.

I do disagree with your first couple of sentences. Callahan represents the identity of the old team. That team is almost completely gone now. His role has been significantly diminished. His production rate is down for the third year in a row. Even his leadership qualities are looking to be potentially overstated (it's essentially the only reason he made team USA, and he didn't even get a letter).

Callahan will always be more than he is in MSG. On another team's ice, he will be an average and fragile second line winger. The Rangers can't afford to pay him based on what he was three years ago (particularly when even then, he wasn't worth 6+ million per year).
 
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I agree with a lot of your post. I don't understand the people saying that Buffalo is like being home for him. I live in Rochester. Buffalo is a very different place, and it's an hour and a half away by car over frequently snowy/icy roads. It's just as easy for him to hop a flight from NYC to Rochester.

I also think that there is an element of strategy in the team allowing other teams to talk to Cally's agent. It reminds me of a few years ago when the Yankees basically told Jeter to go on out and see what kinds of contracts the rest of the league was willing to give him. They knew, as much as it hurt to tell him so, that Jeter just wasn't worth as much on the market as he was asking from the Yankees. That would be a win-win for the Rangers. Either Cally learns that nobody is going to pony up his crazy demands, thus driving his price down, or he finds that someone will, which increases what the Rangers would get in trade for him.

I do disagree with your first couple of sentences. Callahan represents the identity of the old team. That team is almost completely gone now. His role has been significantly diminished. His production rate is down for the third year in a row. Even his leadership qualities are looking to be potentially overstated (it's essentially the only reason he made team USA, and he didn't even get a letter).

Callahan will always be more than he is in MSG. On another team's ice, he will be an average and fragile second line winger. The Rangers can't afford to pay him based on what he was three years ago (particularly when even then, he wasn't worth 6+ million per year).

this x1000
 

Let Blaine Die

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If as reported Sather is willing to go 5/$30m at a aav of $6m. I dont see 7/42 as a problem given the laid out structure I presented in my last post.

It's a problem b/c Sather doesn't want to go for more than 5 years. It's pretty clear. Frontloading the contract isn't going to change anything.
 

haveandare

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I agree with a lot of your post. I don't understand the people saying that Buffalo is like being home for him. I live in Rochester. Buffalo is a very different place, and it's an hour and a half away by car over frequently snowy/icy roads. It's just as easy for him to hop a flight from NYC to Rochester.

I also think that there is an element of strategy in the team allowing other teams to talk to Cally's agent. It reminds me of a few years ago when the Yankees basically told Jeter to go on out and see what kinds of contracts the rest of the league was willing to give him. They knew, as much as it hurt to tell him so, that Jeter just wasn't worth as much on the market as he was asking from the Yankees. That would be a win-win for the Rangers. Either Cally learns that nobody is going to pony up his crazy demands, thus driving his price down, or he finds that someone will, which increases what the Rangers would get in trade for him.

I do disagree with your first couple of sentences. Callahan represents the identity of the old team. That team is almost completely gone now. His role has been significantly diminished. His production rate is down for the third year in a row. Even his leadership qualities are looking to be potentially overstated (it's essentially the only reason he made team USA, and he didn't even get a letter).

Callahan will always be more than he is in MSG. On another team's ice, he will be an average and fragile second line winger. The Rangers can't afford to pay him based on what he was three years ago (particularly when even then, he wasn't worth 6+ million per year).

This is very well put, the bolded especially. 6x5 is generous, borderline too much. I'd take it and run if I were him and I wanted to stay in NY.
 

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What I personally struggle with is the question of what the cap is going to look like in 3 years. What will a 6 million dollar deal today look like by then? Will it be a crippling hit?

if history is any guide.......the caps continue to rise. I know it wont rise forever, but here is a graph of all the cap years plus the next two based on some articles i have read......

so.........is 6 million that bad?
 

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I agree with a lot of your post. I don't understand the people saying that Buffalo is like being home for him. I live in Rochester. Buffalo is a very different place, and it's an hour and a half away by car over frequently snowy/icy roads. It's just as easy for him to hop a flight from NYC to Rochester.

I also think that there is an element of strategy in the team allowing other teams to talk to Cally's agent. It reminds me of a few years ago when the Yankees basically told Jeter to go on out and see what kinds of contracts the rest of the league was willing to give him. They knew, as much as it hurt to tell him so, that Jeter just wasn't worth as much on the market as he was asking from the Yankees. That would be a win-win for the Rangers. Either Cally learns that nobody is going to pony up his crazy demands, thus driving his price down, or he finds that someone will, which increases what the Rangers would get in trade for him.

I do disagree with your first couple of sentences. Callahan represents the identity of the old team. That team is almost completely gone now. His role has been significantly diminished. His production rate is down for the third year in a row. Even his leadership qualities are looking to be potentially overstated (it's essentially the only reason he made team USA, and he didn't even get a letter).

Callahan will always be more than he is in MSG. On another team's ice, he will be an average and fragile second line winger. The Rangers can't afford to pay him based on what he was three years ago (particularly when even then, he wasn't worth 6+ million per year).

Great post. Agreed.
 

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I still think he accepts a deal worth a little less than $6 million for six years as a a compromise.

This is a very different team. New coaching staff, new philosophy. Yes, some of the mainstays like Girardi/McD, Henrik are still there, but Kreider and Zuc are the first wave of what is a new young core. Miller, the Swedes, Allen, and perhaps even a guy like Duclair down the road all could be part of a new core.

Cally is valuable, but clearly not as important to this coaching staff as he was to Torts based on his more limited role now.

We'll see where this goes but worst case scenario, this team has shown they're able to play without him, and the Hags/Richards/Cally line has been the weakest link lately, so if this team gets a young piece (Nieto/Zucker/Jaskin/whomever) it might be more productive at even strength.
 

NernieBichols

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Im going to ask for opinions on this. I don't know if it happens, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've heard this type of thing done in other industries and other sports.

First off, Callahan's been injured this year and coming in and out of the line-up so, when the PP is clicking while he's injured, it makes it difficult for him to get back on it. And secondly, the richards-callahan-hagelin line is the 2nd line. Not the brass-zucc-puo line.

But what if Sather has mandated to AV to peel back some of Callahan's responsibilities in order to drive his price down. Up until this year, Callahan has been everything for this team. And personally I believe if he signs a new deal, it won't be long before you see him getting the minutes, the starts, that he has over his career. Like come next year, if he's signed, and he's the most effective RW at the time and his line is going, dude is play minutes and crunch time situations like he always has.

I don't know if Sather would do this or AV would adhere to it. But I know this, Glen Sather approaches every single situation in his life like its a card hand he wants to win. It seems he constantly approaches everything like this.

Example, if he some day determines his best 'play' is to step down, he'll step down. But if someone else suggests it first, he wouldn't do it, even if he was planning on it before. Like he wants to be master of everything every time.

His free agent signings reek of it, his trades do. Like Richards, Redden, Gomez, these are guys the Rangers were linked to for years before they came here. Sather zeroes in top players who he thinks wants out of their situations and he works the situation. When the guys is eventually heading to free agency, he gets his guy like that, and gets to say to the other gms, see told you Id end up nabbing him, when it was Nash, and it had to be a trade, you knew it was eventually going down, you just hoped certain players weren't involved.

Same thing with his negotiations with current rangers, he plays it so hard and so cutthroat that it almost creates a situation where the player is feeling like he has to leave, otherwise Sather will have worked the situation exactly how he wanted to… Now some people will say that is brilliant. I think it shows he's perhaps unknowingly an egomaniac. I want my work environment and the people I work with and spend my days with to be like family. All my dealings, I try to do like that. I love feeling connected with the people around me and them knowing they're dealing with someone who loves them and will go to bat with them. Thats why certain environments in certain sports and other industries have this feel of something special, something different.

And I truly believed that's what the Rangers were growing with 2007-2012 Ranngers. Obviously we saw it was simply a marketing strategy to get to the next marketing strategy. But as I've said before on different sites, so long as the core of my guys (staal, callahan girardi, hank, McD Stepan) are here, that culture can survive in the locker room, despite the organizational disattachment from it.

People say the Rangers have no identity. Again Fantasy Hockey fans. The Rangers identity was being the hardest-working team in the league. A team that everyone in the league knew, that when you played them, you were in for a battle, where you were gonna have to give it all, and be prepared to take some pain to have a chance of competing with them, Thats why you saw games in 2011-12 where teams simply packed it in. Now this team isn't nearly as punishing or physical. BUT that does not mean they can't be the hardest-working team in the league in many of the same ways, and also in different ways. But that was and is the identity for this team when they are at their best. And playing that way, this team even as constitutioned has a chance in the playoffs with the goaltending and defense they have.
 
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Sources have told The Post general manager Glen Sather has established Friday’s 3 p.m. pre-Olympic roster freeze, rather than the March 5 trade deadline, as the time of decision regarding Callahan’s future. The Rangers want the situation resolved before the captain travels to Sochi, Russia, to play for Team USA and risks injury in The Games.

That being the case, it doesn’t make much sense for the Blueshirts to play Callahan in their two games before the Feb. 7 freeze, Tuesday and Thursday at the Garden against the Avalanche and Oilers, respectively.

The Rangers’ primary interest at the moment is signing Callahan to an extension. Trading a team captain in midseason — and the middle of a run such as the Blueshirts are on — is not taken lightly by anyone in the organization.

But the Blueshirts are not going seven years. Which is why Callahan is likely going … and sooner rather than later.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/31/rangers-want-callahans-future-decided-before-sochi/
 

OverTheCap

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The major sticking point here is the term. Sather doesn't want to commit more than 5 years to a small forward who relies on a grinding style to be effective and has already suffered a slew of injuries from the type of game he plays. I'd be surprised if Slats budges on the term, and ideally I bet he'd like to offer Cally even less than 5 years but there's no way Cally and his agent would even consider it.
 

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I think it has more to do with Cally being injured and AV likes skill and he sees guys like Zuc and Pouliot who have chemistry and more skill than Cally and tries to get the best out of them in offensive situation. No way those guys have that chance on a Torts team.

The second line as unfortunate as it is, is the weakest link right now. If Cally doesn't compromise, Hagelin is the only one back for Training Camp in September.
 

JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK

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I am praying to whatever deity there is that we do not give Callahan $6M+ and anymore than 5 years.

I would GREATLY prefer it if we moved him altogether, because the return he'd garner is simply more valuable than he is + an albatross at this point, by FAR.
 

NernieBichols

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to 17futurecap.

that was the article and info floating all day.

Later in the evening, that article was updated to include that Sather offered callahan 5yrs 30million. Thats the game changer. At least I believe it to be
 
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