Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part VIII: Trades for no reason

[Trxjw]

Yeah supposedly Dreger mentioned that earlier tonight. They have 10 minutes to get it done or wait until after the holiday.

 

[Inferno]

yep, just found it here:

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=439329

personally, i hope it doesnt happen. i think we can do better, or id rather just keep MDZ.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Yeah supposedly Dreger mentioned that earlier tonight. They have 10 minutes to get it done or wait until after the holiday.

its tomorrow



from 11:59pm on December 19 through midnight on December 27, there will be no trading or placing of players on waivers

 

[Trxjw]

its tomorrow



from 11:59pm on December 19 through midnight on December 27, there will be no trading or placing of players on waivers

Ah. Could have sworn it was tonight.

 

[mike14]

It's not a 'win now' trade, but I'd be interested in finding out what the Hawks want for Pirri and/or Morin.

Both seem to be out of favour or stuck down the depth chart on a competing team. IMO they are the kind of prospects the Rangers should be looking at, guys who likely wont have a chance to crack the team they are on now.

 

[Inferno]

It's not a 'win now' trade, but I'd be interested in finding out what the Hawks want for Pirri and/or Morin.

Both seem to be out of favour or stuck down the depth chart on a competing team. IMO they are the kind of prospects the Rangers should be looking at, guys who likely wont have a chance to crack the team they are on now.

id rather them go for more...i just think MDZ is worth a lot more than some middling prospect.

 

[mike14]

id rather them go for more...i just think MDZ is worth a lot more than some middling prospect.

oh yeah, not for MDZ, I just meant in general (like Pyatt and a 4th kind of thing. MDZ is certainly worth more than that

 

[Kwayry]

Some tidbits from McKenzie about DZ.

There is nothing imminent with the Rangers on any trades and that includes Michael Del Zotto .
http://kuklaskorner.com/hockey/comm...:+KuklasKorner-hockey+(Kukla's+Korner-Hockey)

McKenzie said, “there is nothing imminent that I am led to believe. There is a roster freeze that goes into effect on Thursday and my understanding is that unless something comes out of left field that no one expects the Rangers aren’t close on any trade and certainly not one that includes Michael Del Zotto. That is not from a lack of effort of trying to trade him. He and Alain Vigneault are not on the same page, his game is not nearly where it needs to be but he is a young defenseman with a lot of natural ability. When he and Steven Stamkos played minor hockey for the Markham Waxers in the Toronto area, these were the top two guys going into the OHL draft and looked like they were going to be dominant players. Stamkos has obviously lived up to every bit of billing that he has got but Del Zotto had some ups and downs during junior hockey but played well enough initially in the NHL to believe that he is going to be real good offensive defenseman but he is not getting it done now.â€

EJ Hradek then asked how the Rangers are trying to trade Del Zotto, “It’s very difficult because they know that if they trade Del Zotto he may flourish somewhere else and become a top-four offensive-style defenseman for a long time in the NHL so you don’t just want to trade him to free up cap room or because you worry what your financial landscape will be next year as you try to sign Girardi, who is a UFA, as you try to sign Callahan, try to get Derick Brassard, the list goes on and one. You are trying to trade at a time when the trade value couldn’t be lower because the player hasn’t played well and if he was playing well you probably wouldn’t want to move him.â€

http://snyrangersblog.com/2013-14/2...he-latest-on-the-michael-del-zotto-situation/

 

[Raspewtin]

I like Cody Franson but DZ is worth significantly more than him.

I'd want at LEAST Biggs in addition.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I like Cody Franson but DZ is worth significantly more than him.

I'd want at LEAST Biggs in addition.

I don't think we should trade Del Zotto just for the purpose of trading him.

That is what Franson for DZ is. Mindless trade. Sather is rarely mindless with his trades.

Even the Lisin for Korps robbery was justified. Lisin's potential was that of a top 6 winger. The talent was there. We needed more scoring. Korps didn't fit that need. Lisin potentially could. It was a high risk high reward deal that didn't pay out.

Sather doesn't make high risk low reward moves. Franson's ceiling seems to be a slightly better version of Del Zotto right now. Del Zotto's ceiling should be, and likely is, much much higher.

 

[Raspewtin]

I don't think we should trade Del Zotto just for the purpose of trading him.

That is what Franson for DZ is. Mindless trade. Sather is rarely mindless with his trades.

Even the Lisin for Korps robbery was justified. Lisin's potential was that of a top 6 winger. The talent was there. We needed more scoring. Korps didn't fit that need. Lisin potentially could. It was a high risk high reward deal that didn't pay out.

Sather doesn't make high risk low reward moves. Franson's ceiling seems to be a slightly better version of Del Zotto right now. Del Zotto's ceiling should be, and likely is, much much higher.

If the trade was just DZ for Franson, it would absolutely be mindless, especially with no Staal.

They're different players, Franson can QB a PP well, and hits a lot (that hit total is very misleading, though, he just bumps people a lot. Similar to Boyle). But he's a lot worse than DZ defensively. I make this trade only if management is SURE DZ is not in their future plans.

Gotta be honest, I'm kind of excited at the prospect of a McDonagh-Franson PP duo.

 

[Kwayry]

I'd take Franson on the Rangers but not at the expense of DZ.

 

[Raspewtin]

Franson's value is exclusively in having a righty shot, and being good on the PP. We all know it's not THAT valuable, but the league gushes over those players, and they ultimately cost a fortune. If we were to acquire Franson it'd probably be an overpayment.

 

[Kwayry]

Franson's value is exclusively in having a righty shot, and being good on the PP. We all know it's not THAT valuable, but the league gushes over those players, and they ultimately cost a fortune. If we were to acquire Franson it'd probably be an overpayment.

John Moore for Franson.

 

[KingWantsCup]

I like Franson but not at the cost of MDZ. We can do a lot better than that with some patience, or of course we can simply keep MDZ.

 

[a tribe cq]

John Moore for Franson.

no,thx.

 

[Blue Blooded]

How about Moore and MDZ for Franson and Gardiner?

I'll take "Highway Robbery" for 200, Alex.

E: Although when thinking about it, that doesn't solve as much as one would hope. Gardiner should preferably play RHD (he can comfortably play he right side even though he is a lefty) in the top 4 along with Strålman. But that leaves excessive RHD's on the third pairing.

Best course of action would be to acquire Gardiner alone IMO.

 

[Vitto79]

I like franson but they need a forward w him for dz

 

[RangerBoy]

John Moore played the way the Rangers want him to play. Use his legs. Shoot the puck. He played nearly 21 minutes. His high TOI for the season. They went with 4D in the 3rd with Moore getting DZ's time. The Rangers need more offense from the backend. Play him. AV likes Moore much more than DZ. Go with Moore as the 2nd LD behind McDonagh. Staal is hurt. DZ is on the outs. Go with Moore. Play him. Develop him.

 

[Ail]

I wonder how their "discussions" went last night.

I hope they determined this team is a cluster-**** with zero identity or heart, and one dumb move will not make a difference this year.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I wonder how their "discussions" went last night.

I hope they determined this team is a cluster-**** with zero identity or heart, and one dumb move will not make a difference this year.

We're ****ed, the Teflon gm will never sell, instead he'll go out and make a stupid deadline move because the division sucks and they'll always be close to a playoff spot then they'll lose in the first round, Dolan gets his money continues to tell Teflon good job, then Cally and Girardi are both re-signed at 6 million a year each and the mediocrity continues.

 

[slipknottin]

Anyone else love to add Matt Greene in the offseason?

 

[Ail]

We're ****ed, the Teflon gm will never sell, instead he'll go out and make a stupid deadline move because the division sucks and they'll always be close to a playoff spot then they'll lose in the first round, Dolan gets his money continues to tell Teflon good job, then Cally and Girardi are both re-signed at 6 million a year each and the mediocrity continues.

Worst case and also the most likely scenario. Godspeed, everyone.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Anyone else love to add Matt Greene in the offseason?

Hells yes.

 

[eco's bones]

Haven't seen any real improvement in Del Zotto's game for at least two years. To me he's gotten worse. He needs the right circumstances to become a real offensive force. On the Pwp point he needs to be paired with some one who has an accurate cannon of a shot and on a team that has a legit 1st line center and a legit goal scoring winger. Then I could see Del Zotto putting up a lot of points. He also could use a physical force of a shutdown defense partner capable of covering up his frequent defensive lapses and mitigating his size and strength issues.

I once thought we had a gem in this guy. I don't think so anymore. He's average defensively and he's not a leader. He's not much of a power play threat on our team. With all we can complain about this season the power play is one of our bigger improvements and he's not been on it nearly as much as in the past. Who woulda thunk?