Would there be any possibility of snatching Shattenkirk from the Blues based around MDZ? Or is that just rude to even propose? Both 1st rounders, similar-ish production and similar-ish ice time (both used on the PP, not so much PK), MDZ about a year younger, Shattenkirk listed as a righty. I remember seeing him in Colorado and couldn't believe he got traded, haven't really followed much in STL.
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part VIII: Trades for no reason
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We would have to add a big piece like Miller in addition to Del Zotto for the Blues to even think about it. It would be a lateral move at best for the Blues, unless they don't have the money to extend him.
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His stat line is part of the reason is why you'll be able to sign him for cheap. I rarely see him make mistakes and his advanced stats (which I know aren't a tell-all thing) are great. Considering his stats in year past, I'm pretty positive his stats are the result of bad luck more than lack of skill.
The Sharks and Wings do so. Even starting to employ it in rookie scouting. It's part of the reason the Sharks paid the Wings so much to move up to grab Hertl a while back. They knew the Wings were looking at him too.
Shattenkirk signed an extension last spring. The Blues have no reason to trade him. Shattenkirk is what the Rangers need. Right-handed shot. New Rochelle,NY. Dave Maloney coached him in youth hockey. Garrioch wrote a few weeks ago the Blues are looking to trade TJ Oshie. That is a production and contract issue. 7 goals last season in 30 games in the lockout year. 4 goals so far this season. They have him signed to a 5 year contract and the guy isn't producing. The salary jumps to $4.5M starting next season and it remains $4.5M for the remaining 2 years after next. The Blues are spending a lot of money on their team this season and they aren't a big money team. They can't spend much more than they are currently spending. They have players to re-sign(Steen,Berglund and a goaltender/they don't have a goalie under contract for next season) and probably wouldn't mind dumping the $4.5M on another team. I like Oshie but he has never scored 20 goals in any season. $4.175M cap.
Oshie to the Rangers for Callahan. The Blues dump the remaining $13.5M on the Oshie contract. Callahan helps the Blues in the playoffs. They let him leave as a free agent. The Blues use the Oshie money on their other players. Oshie is a right-handed shot.
Oshie to the Rangers for Callahan. The Blues dump the remaining $13.5M on the Oshie contract. Callahan helps the Blues in the playoffs. They let him leave as a free agent. The Blues use the Oshie money on their other players. Oshie is a right-handed shot.
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Yeah, not following that logic either.
Would certainly trade Del Zotto + for Oshie, but I believe we could get more for Callahan.
I'm going to look the other way cause because the title of the thread is Trades for No Reason. Just saw No Reason taking place.
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Can we get number one pick for Callahan?
Prefferably from Edmonton.
I think the idea would be, if you aren't going to re-sign Callahan, getting Oshie back would help fill the void.
Callahan @ 6 million
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Oshie @ 4.1275 million
Toss up. I like Oshie a lot. If he were available, I would take that.
St Louis has a TON of young forwards on the way. Tarasenko, Schwartz, Rattie. All are pushing for spots. Where do they play? None are prototypical 3rd liners.
They moved Perron last off-season and received Pajaarvi back. I saw him play last night, he still has the speed to get in on the forecheck. He looks to be heading the Jason Chimera route for his career. Still a useful player, not what he was drafted to do.
St Louis has it down right though. They develop good players, when they get close to free agency or a cheaper replacement comes up, they move said player for picks/prospects to restock their system. Why can't the Rangers do the same?
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Who do we have that is ready to replace our UFAs? There's no one ready to take Girardi's, or even Stralman's, minutes. There's no one ready to contribute 20+ goals on RW.
In any deals we make, we'll need to get young replacements who have just made the NHL and are close to breaking out, or at the very least, young prospects who are on the verge of making the NHL and can at least contribute next year.
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That's a whole other issue. You have to bite the bullet to start the trend though. Move the older players to bring in skilled younger players to start this cycle. Just signing guys who will decrease in value as they get older is not a good way to go about it.
Shattenkirk isn't an option. He's an important piece for the blues.
Now, if you want the next Shattenkirk, give Chicago a call and see if you can pry Adam Clendening away from them.
Now, if you want the next Shattenkirk, give Chicago a call and see if you can pry Adam Clendening away from them.
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Edmonton got shut out again last night. Another certain top 3 pick incoming for them. Yakupov played 14 minutes and was a -2.
The water is poisoned in Edmonton. They've been rebuilding since 2009. It's been almost 5 years and they're not even close to competing. Want to get a star talent that you can work with at a very young age that can be a big piece moving forward? Somebody save Yakupov.
Move Girardi and a condtional 2nd for Yakupov. Edmonton gets our 2nd next year if Girardi doesn't re-sign in Edmonton, Edmonton gets none of our picks if Girardi extends.
The water is poisoned in Edmonton. They've been rebuilding since 2009. It's been almost 5 years and they're not even close to competing. Want to get a star talent that you can work with at a very young age that can be a big piece moving forward? Somebody save Yakupov.
Move Girardi and a condtional 2nd for Yakupov. Edmonton gets our 2nd next year if Girardi doesn't re-sign in Edmonton, Edmonton gets none of our picks if Girardi extends.
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We need to do something. DZ or G for Yakupov. Change it up. Trade Callahan for a D
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If the Rangers go this route, I would imagine they would get a nice piece or two back for Callahan. To answer your question, when healthy, it would look like
McDonagh-Staal
Del Zotto-Stralman
Moore-McIlrath
Falk
Lose now to win in the future
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Offer all the free agents to be, UFAs and RFAs, extensions on normal contracts and terms pre-deadline, if they do not sign them or come back with something that at least makes some sense, sell them.
Time to get some players who are willing to be here by leaving some money on the table or some real talent coming up through the ranks.
This team as currently constructed or by following the standard operating procedure is going nowhere.
Time to get some players who are willing to be here by leaving some money on the table or some real talent coming up through the ranks.
This team as currently constructed or by following the standard operating procedure is going nowhere.
Can't wait to watch him live this week.
Icehogs have been fun to watch the last few years.
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Briere would probably come cheap from the Habs right now. Stuck on the fourth line. Can't get minutes. Will probably be a healthy scratch soon enough.
Issue is, he's signed through next season @$4mm... He's 36, undersized, hasn't really played all that well (obviously).
He can however get to the dirty areas of the ice. He's small, but plays big. He could be a great piece on the PP in front of the opposing teams net. Dirty goals. I think the Rangers could eat the $4 million next year if necessary. Veteran leadership, too. A guy who's been there.
Send DZ + middling prospect like Bourque for Briere and Diaz. Or DZ and Pouliot/Pyatt.
Issue is, he's signed through next season @$4mm... He's 36, undersized, hasn't really played all that well (obviously).
He can however get to the dirty areas of the ice. He's small, but plays big. He could be a great piece on the PP in front of the opposing teams net. Dirty goals. I think the Rangers could eat the $4 million next year if necessary. Veteran leadership, too. A guy who's been there.
Send DZ + middling prospect like Bourque for Briere and Diaz. Or DZ and Pouliot/Pyatt.
They have $20M tied up long term in defensement (AP, JB, SHattenkirk, and Pollack)
Steen is a UFA this summer and neither of their goalies are under contract next year. They are not a franchise that will spend up the cap next year.
Maybe Shattenkirk is a guy they would consider dealing as part of a larger package.
We have peices that could help them take a run this year (callahan, Girardi), and also have a cheaper replacement for Shattenkirk in MDZ.
I am sure they love Shattenkirk, but economics plays into it for them.
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