i agree but most fans of this team would rather see the Rangers trade for Havlat, Heatley, Roy, Boyes or player past his prime over a guy like Stewart
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part VIII: Trades for no reason
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i agree but most fans of this team would rather see the Rangers trade for Havlat, Heatley, Roy, Boyes or player past his prime over a guy like Stewart
slipknottin
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What would be the equivalent players from the rangers?
Brassard, Kristo, 1st rounder, and?
Essentially he wants the bruins to hand over three first round picks plus Marchand. That's more than Kessel was traded for, and Kessel wasent a major off ice issue
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slipknottin
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The odd thing is that Marchand has been about as productive as Kane. Obviously he's older, but I would think their values wouldn't be that massively off.
Could see Marchand + a 1st for Kane as being closer to actual value
I hope they don't. Not the right time for a big trade like that. Of course if the Jets are high on Callahan or Girardi as a main piece they maybe can work something out but I truly doubt it.
TheTakedown
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I am sick of Rnager fans not understanding this. I had to explain this to a ticket holder at the last game I went to...
Richards at 6.6M is a BARGAIN... 50-70 point producer and 1st/2nd line center. To put this in perspective, Callahan is going to be asking for MORE than Richards currently gets (I understand that this is comparing old contracts to new, but i'm talking straight $ into the players pocket), for producing less than HALF (dare I bring up the Gaborik argument again?) than Richards...
It's Richards cap penalty if he does retire. But realistically, with the cap going up, I don't see this penalty as an issue unless he retires in the last 2 years of the contract.
If we're looking for a cup in the next 3-5 years, Richards MIGHT be part of the answer
slipknottin
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Except that Richards is no longer a first or second line center. He's a winger.
As for producing twice as much as Callahan.
Not sure how 66 points is twice as much as 45 points, but I'm not good at math
As for producing twice as much as Callahan.
Not sure how 66 points is twice as much as 45 points, but I'm not good at math
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That is a big price.
And he is paid alot too.
This is the problem with Evander Kane. He is like that, I don't know, pizza with extra everything. But in the end you still just get a pizza...
But you can describe him in two ways:
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He is a Canadian that is big, physical, skates well and what not. He is only 22 and has still made it to the NHL and scores around .75 PPG.
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Or you can answer the following questions: If you watch him play, do you go "wow this guy really makes his team better and makes a diffrence on the ice"? Does he win 1 on 1 battles on the ice on a regular basis? He is a force on a PP? He is a force along the boards? He is a force on the forecheck or backcheck?
The bottom line is that the first one makes you go "wow lets move Cally, Miller, MDZ and a 1st for him" and the other makes you go "hm". The truth of course lies somewhere inbetween those two approches. From my point of view, I am just always going to be sceptical if you get what you pay for with a player like E. Kane. Not that I mind the player in any way. I also wouldn't rule out that he could go like Correy Perry on you. But I just don't get that "this player could be a cornerstone on a great team"-wibe with him, and his price if high if you go below that...
TheTakedown
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THis goes against every other poster stating that Callahan's agent will be pushing for over $7M/year...
David Clarkson, my friend
Absolute best case scenario for Callahan would be if he gets $6.2-6.5M per year, continues to produce .5 PPG, while richards gets $6.6M/year, and produces .8 PPG...
But we know Callahan can get $7M on the open Market. Why is he going to stay here then?
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Callahan...7 Million...
And as far as Evander Kane goes. Yeah, sure I'd love to get a kid like him and his caliber on this team, who wouldn't? But the asking price for him is astronomical. He doesn't strike me as that franchise player that is going to put up 80+ point seasons, or is a phenomenal 2-way Center that puts up 65-75 pts (Toews, Dats, Bergeron). He seems like a Bobby Ryan, hell even Nash as far as numbers will go type player to me. Consistent 30 goal scorer, but not a guy you can rely on to carry the team when needed and bring you far in the playoffs.
Then again, I haven't watched the kid play much at all outside games the Rangers have played against him and I don't remember ever being too threatened by him (although he was in the WC, and I think he was out when we just played WPG earlier?)
And as far as Evander Kane goes. Yeah, sure I'd love to get a kid like him and his caliber on this team, who wouldn't? But the asking price for him is astronomical. He doesn't strike me as that franchise player that is going to put up 80+ point seasons, or is a phenomenal 2-way Center that puts up 65-75 pts (Toews, Dats, Bergeron). He seems like a Bobby Ryan, hell even Nash as far as numbers will go type player to me. Consistent 30 goal scorer, but not a guy you can rely on to carry the team when needed and bring you far in the playoffs.
Then again, I haven't watched the kid play much at all outside games the Rangers have played against him and I don't remember ever being too threatened by him (although he was in the WC, and I think he was out when we just played WPG earlier?)
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Callahan...7 Million...
I'm laughing too. He is worth no more than Dustin Brown... ala $5M x 5 years
So how has that David Clarkson contract turned out.
Exactly my point, it's a horrible contract. however It's not going to stop Callahan from asking for it
Somebody posted it the other day, dont trade for Kane, trade for a few guys and build an identity. Kane will st least cost Kreider or Stepan and i'm not moving them. It just opens up another hole.
Clown Fiesta
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The good news is we wouldn't have to match Joe Haggarty's extreme lunacy. We'd have to match Chiarelli's offer which I can assure you would be much less.
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Clarkson got 5.25 for 7 years. Cally can ask for 7 mil per, but he isn't going to get it from any team.
slipknottin
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I'm not so sure he would.
But the idea is to always be open to the trade idea. Doesn't mean you have to make it. Especially if the asking price is ridiculous
NYR Viper
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If that is what Kane will command, which isn't all that surprising, big pass. The Rangers just don't have the depth to absorb that.
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Are you sure about that? Just looking at the offers that Clarkson got, I'm sure some team will offer Callahan that money.
NYR Viper
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I don't think it would be far-fetched to believe a team will offer Callahan 6 million/season. 7 is pushing it.
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There are a lot of stupid GMs out there, but I can't see any of them committing that much to Cally. We'll see, I guess.
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I really don't think the Clarkson contract is going to set the market. That contract was a mistake and many GMs and agents realize it is not indicative of market value. Wade Redden's contract wasn't used as the gold standard for defensemen, otherwise we would have seen many more defensemen with cap hits north of $6.5 million.
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