No we don't. Not if the 1st round picks we get back in a trade aren't lottery protected.
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No we don't. Not if the 1st round picks we get back in a trade aren't lottery protected.
Clayonator
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The likelihood of a acquiring a 1st from a playoff contender for any of our chief assets drastically reduces those odds.
I'm aware. I was just saying if the trades are made now a lot can happen. There is at least a chance a team giving up a first for Stone or Duchene could underperform and miss the playoffs, as unlikely as it may seem.
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That's a reason for Dorion to probably be looking for specific pieces in those deals. Particularly high end D prospects. The 1st would be nice but the BPA at those picks won't necessarily be high end Dmen. Would be better to grab good prospects further ahead in their development.
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Dont really care to grab a 2019 1st - just means one of the few good players we have will be going the other way.
I would like at unloading certain contracts and do some player/prospect for prospect swaps.
Target guys you want in the core long term.
We just had 2 firsts in 2018 and have another 2 in 2020
I would like at unloading certain contracts and do some player/prospect for prospect swaps.
Target guys you want in the core long term.
We just had 2 firsts in 2018 and have another 2 in 2020
I agree. I just think that Dorion is probably hell bent on getting a 1st this year. I remember Friedman saying a while back about Vegas being interested in Stone. I wonder if Pacioretty changes that. Would love to get Theodore.
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We couldn't get a Theodore for Karlsson, what leads you to believe we can for anyone else?
Well we don't know that's true at all. Theodore may very well have been part of a Vegas offer. Dorion is just an idiot.
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Maybe if Stone is willing to extend. That's about the only way I could see that happen.
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He has two connections in Vegas already in Bob Lowes and Kelly Mcrimmon. I could see it.
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Would we really have been happy to get Tatar, Suzuki, and 2nd for Stone?
With that said, looking at both the Pacioretty and ROR traded, I'd buckle up for a 1st, a B+ prospect, and a minor piece. Although, I certainly hope I'm wrong.
With that said, looking at both the Pacioretty and ROR traded, I'd buckle up for a 1st, a B+ prospect, and a minor piece. Although, I certainly hope I'm wrong.
BondraTime
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You wouldn't
We will not be getting good value in any of our trades moving forward, it's an unfortunate truth.
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Anyway we can trade for a vet dman prior to the season
Was thinking Ryan for Seabrook but dont think that works.
Would be nice to have an established partner for Wolanin
Was thinking Ryan for Seabrook but dont think that works.
Would be nice to have an established partner for Wolanin
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Seabrook is owed more money than Ryan for a longer period of time, and he has a full NMC. While finding an overpaid defender to swap Ryan's contract with makes sense, I don't think acquiring Seabrook is a viable idea.
My strategy with Ryan would be to give him really favourable offensive minutes, as much PP time as possible, and hope he plays through all 82 games with good numbers. Let's say by some miracle he is able to survive 82 games and has 20+ goals 55+ points, I'd try and explore whether there is actually not just a market, but a reasonable piece the Sens could get back for Ryan with 3 years remaining at a 3.625M cap hit (half retained).
Winning in the short term clearly isn't a priority, so this would save the team around 3M per season (roughly 9M total since a replacement player costs about 650k minimum), and bring back some sort of future assets in the process.
At this point in time, I'd be surprised if there's a reasonable market for Ryan even at half retained, but I think if he can prove he can play 82 games, maybe someone tosses us a 2nd or 3rd round pick to gamble that he can do it for a second or third time.
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Doesn't have to be Ryan although he clearly needs to be moved
Just think it's best to target a vet dman you can take some minutes and I dont know who would be available
Just think it's best to target a vet dman you can take some minutes and I dont know who would be available
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If we could get a 1st+good prospect for Brassard, we can at least get the same for Stone and Duchene.
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I don't think there's a comparable bad d-man contract that doesn't have trade protection or larger lockout bonuses than Ryan.
I think how this thing is going to end, is we're going to trade Ryan half retained somewhere while taking back a bad contract. Trading him half retained is a lot better financially than buying him out since we save 9 million dollars half retained, and most of all Melnyk would only be on the hook for 50 percent of Ryan's signing bonuses, meaning in the lockout year with no gate revenue, he'd only have to pay Ryan 1M instead of 2M. So even if we take back a player contract where it seems like we're paying more, if we expect there not to be hockey, it might actually be cheaper...
A deal that I could see making sense for both sides would be Bobby Ryan (as much as half retained) to Detroit for Henrik Zetterberg, Johan Franzen, and a depth NHLer coming back to Ottawa.
Detroit is in a terrible cap situation, and while they are able to put Zetterberg and Franzen on LTIR, it's not as ideal as free cap space, especially since any performance bonuses they have would carry over to next season. Just in general, there's less flexibility. They are owed very little real money, and potentially one or both might be insured. So Detroit in this scenario would ease up their cap situation since the two will have a combined LTIR cap hit of almost 10 million. Ottawa would save real cash.
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Not sure they’d go for it or if said player would waive to come here, but I’d call uncle Lou on the island and offer Ryan for Boychuk.
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How can no-trade lists change at any instant? Doesn't it keep validity for the longevity of the contract?
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No its resubmitted each year from what I understand... the teams can change on it,., and the NTC can be waived for instances where they are willing to take a deal to a team on the NTC list.
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