Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77
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HuGort
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Jersey"s 2nd overall pick is rumoured to be in play. Be quite a splash if we draft Wright and Slaf. Give the Canadiens fans a great summer. Dvorak and Flames pick for Fiala. He goes to Devils for #2 overall?
For those not sold on Wright. We could trade down with Phoenix at 3, and draft Cooley. Weber goes in trade also and we get Canes pick back?
Also fit in great with our rebuild scenario. Bedard next year?
What do you guys think of my trade/draft proposals?
For those not sold on Wright. We could trade down with Phoenix at 3, and draft Cooley. Weber goes in trade also and we get Canes pick back?
Also fit in great with our rebuild scenario. Bedard next year?
What do you guys think of my trade/draft proposals?
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I'd keep Dvorak so we have proper depth at C for the first time in years. Dvorak as a 3rd C is a good luxury to have.
NJD 2nd Overall Pick: They probably want a good roster player. Josh Anderson + CGY's 2022 1st Round pick or something like that?
Kevin Fiala: I'd like to acquire him no matter what. Is a pending RFA worth a 1st round pick? If so, I'd trade Habs 1st 2023 + Byron (cap) + Joshua Roy or Sean Farrell for him. Maybe that's too much?
Would either of NJD or MIN want Jeff Petry? Would he waive his NTC for either of them?
NJD 2nd Overall Pick: They probably want a good roster player. Josh Anderson + CGY's 2022 1st Round pick or something like that?
Kevin Fiala: I'd like to acquire him no matter what. Is a pending RFA worth a 1st round pick? If so, I'd trade Habs 1st 2023 + Byron (cap) + Joshua Roy or Sean Farrell for him. Maybe that's too much?
Would either of NJD or MIN want Jeff Petry? Would he waive his NTC for either of them?
SlyIslands
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Get the Canes 1st for Weber? Little was traded with Nathan Smith for a 4th. That's like Weber and Struble for a 4th. You might want to reconsider your expectations.
Habs 1st in 2023? I hope you meant FLA's 1st because that Habs 1st will be top 10
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Kevin Fiala is a 80 point LW entering his prime. I'd trade our first round pick for him if it's eg. top3 protected.
Also, keep in mind his offersheet value is between a 1st+3rd and a 1st+2nd+3rd… it isn’t excessive.
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Hins77
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80 pts in regular season and 3 pts during playoff. Definitively not the kind of player smallish player i would trade for. Either ryan hartman who makes 65 pts this year.
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He’s an 80 point player and he’s just entering his prime. If we want depth this is depth.
bcv
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Don’t think the habs are already at a place where they need to focus on depth. They need the foundation first and their first pick next year will be a big part of it.
NORiculous
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I like the Zacha idea.
He can play wing or C. (Creates flexibility). He is dependable. He drives possession against though opposition.
I think a player like Fiala would be nice addition but in a couple of years. The core needs to get bigger before adding.
He can play wing or C. (Creates flexibility). He is dependable. He drives possession against though opposition.
I think a player like Fiala would be nice addition but in a couple of years. The core needs to get bigger before adding.
BLONG7
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For some reason I there could be a deal with the Devils
Most think that it would cost Caufield and thats not gonna happen
Most think that it would cost Caufield and thats not gonna happen
Milhouse40
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The Devils won't trade a 2nd overall pick for a spare parts either.
They want a core piece.
Arizona wants to trade one of those young core pieces in Chychrun,
They want a futures in return.
The trade write itself in my opinion.
But that's the the kind of piece they want.
Apparently Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, Here's another piece that could work.
Habs can'T match that.
Glad you re not MTL GM.
I don't think the Habs should regain on multi year deals, would lower their leverage come TDL Time.
I don't see NJD trading for a package with Anderson as the best part.
The Habs don't trade 1st 2023 given the fact that it'll likely be top 5 OA
Don't see MIN taking Petry given their cap issues from Suter Parise buyouts. NJD could be interested I'd say depending on the price
Vachon23
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If you're talking about a Pavel Zacha deal, then yes it could happen
If you're talking about the 2nd OA, then can forger that
26Mats
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To get the 2nd OA pick it will take Suzuki or Caufield. So we ain't getting it.
Dorian's shopping the 7th over as ll pick. But even he isn't crazy enough to give it to us for anything less th as n Caufield or suzuki - maybe Romanov.
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I'm just thinking out loud, Petry + CGY 1st (26th) + Joshua Roy for NJD's 2nd OA 2022 is too light, isn't it? I genuinely don't know what NJD might want, what a 2nd OA pick goes for, or what the Habs value for 2nd OA anyway.
What about Petry + CGY 1st (26th) + FLA 1st 2023 + Joshua Roy -- is that too much for NJD's 2nd OA in 2022? Would we even want to do that?
I think the rebuild is over once we get the necessary depth -- could be as soon as this summer or as late as after two years from now. The club cannot afford to do another year with 0.330 pt% and to tank for and secure a top5 pick you need to be at around that for a full season. MSL's tank-season pt% was c. 0.432 and that's about 27th in the NHL. I don't' think the Habs will finish bottom5 again next year without serious help from the bad luck gods -- all those man-games lost, losing Eddy for 3/4ths of the year, the Ducharm debuff, etc. Hard to replicate that. Further, outside of Drouin (LTIR) and Byron (cap dump), we don't have easily dumpable contracts or players to "sell".
I think we need to accept that a full razed earth rebuild is not in the cards. I doubt MSL would tolerate that either.
So if we go into next season with Wright + Fiala, that's a huge turnaround already. You'd have Suzuki, Caulfield, Wright, and Fiala who are the core attackers going forward. Hoffman and Anderson round out the top6. Dvorak, Evans, Gallagher (unmoveable) as the main figures of the bottom 6, with Armia, Byron, Drouin, Pitlick and the others filling in or getting moved.
On defense we have trouble, if Petry is moved we have Eddy and Romanov who are both 2nd pairing d-men as our best dmen. But we have lots of promising youngsters. So if we do miss the playoffs it'll be because of our defence. Historically, defence has been easier to fix than offence.
On goalie I just trust Montreal's knack of having good goalies to uncover yet another good goalie. Doesn't have to be the best in the NHL like Carey Price was once upon a time, but good enough that he doesn't cost us our targeted outcomes (eg make playoffs)
bcv
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Your expectations are too high if you think this club will compete next year. They are up against the cap and have no depth.
Fiala will be almost 30 when the Habs’ current young core will be really competitive, why would you get rid of a top5/10 pick in a unreal draft for him?
Vachon23
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You can add everything you want, that's not the type of deal NJ want.
They want a player of Tkachuk/JT Miller/Fiala/Chychrun caliber, not a package
Yep I think Fiala Chychurn are most likely targets. Could see extended Tkachuk if salary negotiations don't move forward with CGY.
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Fiala is 25. The habs will not peak in 5 years, you cannot aim to compete in the far future. That's not how it works. Suzuki is under contract for 8 years, Wright for the next 7ish, Caulfield need a new contract. You don't know how things will develop. Players peak much earlier than in their late 20s. Many teams win cups with a core of younger players than 25+.
Adding Fiala now makes us likelier to compete ASAP. An 80 point player who is only 25 and available on the trade market, and can likely be acquired for assets we can afford. It must be looked into.
I'm not saying it is a priority, and it seems you don't think the Habs need to compete ASAP, but realistically and pragmatically the urgency to compete ASAP has to be around at all times and in all phases. The dwelling in the sewer model is not one that we need to even consider; Buffalo and Arizona are enough examples of this being a terrible model. Toronto and Florida have nothing to show for it either. Edmonton is finally on a run and that's only with the best player in the league and a top5 player in the league, and even so they aren't Cup favourites.
The player we draft in the 2023 pick is unlikely to be a top5 pick. That means he might not even start in the NHL until 2024-2025. How long until he's contributing at a high level? 2025-2026 season at the earliest. Nick Suzuki will be 27 by then, oops, he's already past his statistical peak.
Well I don't see the fuss for the 2nd OA anyway and it seems we don't have the players. Our best hockey players we would be willing to move are Dvorak, Petry and Anderson. So I guess there isn't a deal there to be made.
Fiala may be a good player on a team on the verge, in need of an offensive catalyst but that is already strong enough to compete for a playoff spot. Otherwise it's just another potential 'Drouin scenario'.
I don't believe we're there, far from it, I prefer we take the time to build a team for real, instead of relying on 'hopeful patching' again.
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Can someone correct me?
Drouin (5.5m) + Price (10.5m) + Weber (7.8m) = 23.8m on LTIR is a mess because we can supposedly only have contracts for up to 110% of the Salary Cap that's 83.5m + 8.35m = 91.85m right?
91.8 - 23.8 = We can only have 68m of contracts over the summer if we have Price, Drouin, and Weber on LTIR. Is this correct?
Doesn't this present a big problem for squad planning and contracts? How does timing LTIR work? I saw some reference to putting players on LTIR immediately after the start of a season versus before the start of the season, and how it somehow makes a difference.
Drouin (5.5m) + Price (10.5m) + Weber (7.8m) = 23.8m on LTIR is a mess because we can supposedly only have contracts for up to 110% of the Salary Cap that's 83.5m + 8.35m = 91.85m right?
91.8 - 23.8 = We can only have 68m of contracts over the summer if we have Price, Drouin, and Weber on LTIR. Is this correct?
Doesn't this present a big problem for squad planning and contracts? How does timing LTIR work? I saw some reference to putting players on LTIR immediately after the start of a season versus before the start of the season, and how it somehow makes a difference.
bcv
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Can you clarify something for me...
How is an 80pt player a 'hopeful patching' acquisition? Is this trauma from the Bergevin years of downplaying possible talent acquisition speaking or do you seriously think an 80pt player would not immediately become a key core contributor?
Drouin had never broken 53 points prior to his acquisition. Fiala just hit 80. They're not comparable.
Any given 80 point player would totally change the core of a team. A core is only 5-7 players anyway, Fiala would be our best forward (until proven otherwise by Suzuki, Caulfield, or Wright).
How else do you built a team for real other than by acquiring talented players by any means necessary?
le_sean
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Yeah I have my worries that Fiala produces because he plays with Kaprizov. He has pretty terrible playoff stats too.
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