Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[FF de Mars]

Yeah, this isn't accurate at all. Domi had just been put on the fourth line in the playoffs and his 70 point season looked like a fluke, which it was. He didn't look like a center anymore, he looked like the winger he was drafted as. He was 5 seasons removed from 13th OA (is that something that's even significant ? We're not talking about a top 3 pick).

Anderson was coming off a serious injury that left him looking like a shadow of himself. There were serious worries he wouldn't bounce back. But, he did. He paced for a 27 goal season the first year here and managed a good pace this year despite being on the worst team in the league. His value is higher now.

That's very subjective, all the left wing leaning posters always find excuses for their favourite players, it's easy to make the case he could rebound, didn't he perform well in the playoffs too at some point?

 

[Kiss Under the Guy]

Yeah, this isn't accurate at all. Domi had just been put on the fourth line in the playoffs and his 70 point season looked like a fluke, which it was. He didn't look like a center anymore, he looked like the winger he was drafted as. He was 5 seasons removed from 13th OA (is that something that's even significant ? We're not talking about a top 3 pick).

Anderson was coming off a serious injury that left him looking like a shadow of himself. There were serious worries he wouldn't bounce back. But, he did. He paced for a 27 goal season the first year here and managed a good pace this year despite being on the worst team in the league. His value is higher now.

Not only there were worries, but he wanted a long term contract or he'd go to free agency. I'm sure he'd have returned a better package if not for that. It was the same kind of risk that Carolina took on KK, potential hole in the cap for multiple seasons

 

[SwiftyHab]

...honestly, as someone who isn't a Barrie fan at all, that might actually work...and help us Discard for Bedard at the same time...con Holland into taking Armia for Pool Party as well...

That’s the slogan for next years TDL “Discard for Bedard”

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

That’s the slogan for next years TDL “Discard for Bedard”

...do I get royalties??...

 

[Whalers Fan]

There are 31 picks in the first round, you're going to have to be more specific.

32.

 

[sampollock]

In this house we appreciate Runner.

Runner for Chief scout

 

[Team_Spirit]

Discard for Bedard

That’s the slogan for next years TDL “Discard for Bedard”

It has been decided

 

[Andrei79]

That's very subjective, all the left wing leaning posters always find excuses for their favourite players, it's easy to make the case he could rebound, didn't he perform well in the playoffs too at some point?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean that left wing leaning poster thing, but whatever.

No, he did not perform well in the playoffs... are you not a Habs fan ?

 

[Vachon23]

 

[FF de Mars]

I'm not sure I understand what you mean that left wing leaning poster thing, but whatever.

No, he did not perform well in the playoffs... are you not a Habs fan ?

I actually stoped watching the Habs after the Sergachev trade, so I skipped a beat. I was already pissed off when they traded Subban for Weber, getting Drouin was just too much. I had been waiting for Sergachev to magically drop around 10OV since april of his draft year, watching youtube videos about him, dreaming he would change the Habs. Anyway I started watching again during covid. I was so mad at Bergevin and at Molson too. Sorry about the left wing thing. (Mod)

 

[Sterling Archer]

Not surprising. He said he wanted to play for a big hockey market when in Columbus

 

[gusfring]

Hughes needs to inquire about Dubois.

 

[jrom]

Not surprising. He said he wanted to play for a big hockey market when in Columbus

There's been rumbles for a while about a toxic Winnipeg locker room with Scheiffle and Wheeler running Laine out of Winnipeg, Paul Maurice resigning "because the players needed a new voice", etc

 

[Merci Saku]

He has a decent shot and vision. Just enough skill to compliment top 6 players. His speed, size and defensive IQ are his main assets. People seem pretty down on him….

It’s the what have you done for me lately syndrome

He obviously have qualities, you can see flashes. Back in 2017, we knew he was a long term project,

The WJC MVP and his first game changed our perception of him

I see him taking the Ivan Barbashev trajectory

 

[SwiftyHab]

Hughes needs to inquire about Dubois.

Will be a big asking price

 

[HuGo Sham]

Hoo boy, PLD available. dude lives in Mtl and wants to play in a big market. They're going to want something from the habs that hurts if HuGo asks about him. Getting him expedites rebuild but I find it hard to believe how they can keep caufield, suzuki and guhle out of any offer.

26th, 33rd, Romanov and a young, promising forward which we don't have outside of the two mentioned above.

If we flip picks, is there an elite winger available at 14?

suzuki - caufield
PLD - 14

Allowing jets to draft Wright or Cooley.

I know it won't happen, especially with draft here but it's an interesting thought

 

[Gravity]

Hughes needs to inquire about Dubois.

Not worth it and doesn't fit our timeline. Wouldn't waste cap space and assets on Dubois when we have Suzuki+Wright down the middle.

Hoo boy, PLD available. dude lives in Mtl and wants to play in a big market. They're going to want something from the habs that hurts if HuGo asks about him. Getting him expedites rebuild but I find it hard to believe how they can keep caufield, suzuki and guhle out of any offer.

26th, 33rd, Romanov and a young, promising forward which we don't have outside of the two mentioned above.

If we flip picks, is there an elite winger available at 14?

suzuki - caufield
PLD - 14

Allowing jets to draft Wright or Cooley.

I know it won't happen, especially with draft here but it's an interesting thought

That would be awful for this franchise.

 

[jrom]

Hoo boy, PLD available. dude lives in Mtl and wants to play in a big market. They're going to want something from the habs that hurts if HuGo asks about him. Getting him expedites rebuild but I find it hard to believe how they can keep caufield, suzuki and guhle out of any offer.

26th, 33rd, Romanov and a young, promising forward which we don't have outside of the two mentioned above.

If we flip picks, is there an elite winger available at 14?

suzuki - caufield
PLD - 14

Allowing jets to draft Wright or Cooley.

I know it won't happen, especially with draft here but it's an interesting thought

or just wait to sign him as UFA

 

[frapp10]

If he hits free agency you’d have to think we’d be on the top of his list. Wants a big market and he’s a French Canadian. It could depend on if he sees himself as a Center or winger because with Suzuki and Wright plus potentially drafting one in 2023 there’s not much room. He’d look real good next to Suzuki and Caufield

 

[Beendair Donedat]

There’s really no point in dealing with the Jets, unless it’s for pennies on the dollar. There’s been rumblings for a long time that PLD wanted to play in Montreal, and in 2 years all it will cost you is cap space. I wouldn’t move assets for him, he’s already basically said “I’m playing this contract our and then I’m heading home,” without putting it into words. Just keep doing what we’re doing here, clearing cap space and building a contender. PLD will be signing here as a UFA, you can book it and come back to it in 2024.

 

[The Great Weal]

Yup Dubois would be nice but mostly depends on his contract. He doesn’t deserve close to 7 million and he will be a winger here.

 

[ZUKI]

Again, I really think that what you're doing is treating all uncertainties/potentials as zero, and that's probabalistically irrational. There's a difference between having one lotto 6/49 ticket and having 13 million of them. If you have 13 million lotto 6/49 tickets, you expect a pay day.

For first rounders, even Bergevin was able to acquire two core players over eight years (Caulfield, Sergachev), with Guhle and Mailloux still uncertain. And on the trade market he acquired Petry, Danault, Anderson, and Suzuki, and on the UFA market he got Radulov and Toffoli. That's what a mediocre GM was able to do.

Reviewing the current situation:

Suzuki, Caulfield, Wright, Romanov are core players in my opinion. Romanov I expect to be second pair.

From {Calgary 1st, Florida 1st, 2023 1st, 1sts acquired for Petry, Anderson, Dvorak} we can expect 1 or 2 core players.

From all of the 2nd through 7th rounders of 2022 and 2023, we can expect 1 core player.

They should be able to acquire 1 core player from free agency/trades, which I think is quite conservative.

From {Guhle, Barron, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Primeau, Dobes, Roy, Farrel, Kidney, Kapanen, Touch, Mysak, Gorton, Ylonen, Harris, Poehling, Evans} we should expect two good players in my opinion.

That makes 10 good players.

I think you are pessimistic in your projections.
Looking at the way a lot of draftees played this season, the way they have dominated in their respective leagues , i think that Habs will get more than 2 good players. Also, a team doesn't need to get all players to be "core"player. Players as Evans, Pitlick, Byron, Anderson, Edmundson are good at their respective role even if they aren't elite.

Guhle , Baron, Harris, Roy, Ylönen, Farrel, Mysak are all interesting projects because of the kind of skills they get; good hockey IQ, good reading of the play. I wouln't be surprised if they all make the NHL ( not all with the Habs of course.) Then you add the Mailloux,Xhekaj, Dobes , Primeau, Struble...they aren't as sure shut , but some of them could also ends in the NHL

 

[ZUKI]

Yup Dubois would be nice but mostly depends on his contract. He doesn’t deserve close to 7 million and he will be a winger here.

If you get Dubois, you don't need Wright anymore, so you can pick Slafkovsky , Cooley or Nemec or trade down few ranks and take Lekkerimaki

 

[The Great Weal]

If you get Dubois, you don't need Wright anymore, so you can pick Slafkovsky , Cooley or Nemec or trade down few ranks and take Lekkerimaki

Wright will likely be better than Dubois. Dubois is wildly inconsistent and it’s already been twice now that he wants to quit on his team. If his contract is cheap AND his price is cheap, then he’d be a good winger next to Suzuki and CC.

 

[yianik]

Oh bloody heck, now the PLD stuff will add to our circus.

I give it to PLD that he has given the Jets the heads up. Good of him to do that. I could see a team that could use PLD and his 60 points right now for a Cup run trading for him and then seeing if he will sign long term after this season. For a team like that it may be worth the risk of him not resigning.

We aren't that team. Not interested.