Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[sampollock]

PLD would be a great add, being he is still young. but to trade for him would cost a HUGE pile. not sure the habs want to gut the farm for him

 

[Captain Mountain]

The Habs don’t need PLD.

I wouldn't go that far. They don't need full price Dubois. But if Gorton has another Trouba deal in him (and there is zero evidence Dubois is angling for Montreal, only that he wants to test free agency) then it makes too much sense.

Dubois is probably the very ceiling of what Slafkovksy can be and he's 24. If you can avoid moving Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle and Montreal's 2022, 2023 or 2024 1sts, then you do it. The Trouba analogue would be something around Dvorak and Calgary's 1st.

But again, there's no evidence that this is a Trouba situation.

 

[HabsForHire]

Will be a big asking price

Which we shouldn't be doing right now

 

[ottawa]

Why?

That's just always been the norm. Trades happen after the playoffs are over and everyone is available to trade.

 

[CaptainKirk]

Which we shouldn't be doing right now

Yeah, if he wants to sign here in 2 years, that's a good time frame for the rebuild. No rush to trade assets and improve too fast before the next draft.

 

[Wats]

Jets may have another Trouba on their hands. PLD has two more RFA years then UFA. If any team tries to trade for him, they will likely want to talk extension and if he and his agent show signs of not wanting to sign, he value goes down.

Trouba had 50th in his last season with the Jets. I think the return was Pionk and the 20th pick? If it's a similar situation, we can offer something like Dvorak and the Flames 1st and maybe the Oilers 2nd. Or we just wait for him to reach UFA.

I think PLD would be a good add to this core.



Yup, Fox and Trouba are good example. Jets got Pionk and the 20th pick for Trouba. Dvorak and Flames 1st or let them drown with trade talk with other teams cause he will refuse to sign with them. No team is going to dig and give full value when they know he will walk in 2 years.

My gut tells me his heart is in Montreal and he wants to grow with this core. I think he will be a good add.

Seems really low value. Maybe Anderson+Dvorak+26th. About 10M cap going out, PLD probably going to cost around 9M to re-sign so cancels out. Even then not sure if that's good enough to tempt them to move him to MTL versus a team that might offer younger/cheaper NHL ready futures. Hoping they get Trotz and he wants more depth/physical players that can help them win now:

Connor - Scheifele - Wheeler
Ehlers - Dvorak - Anderson

recoup draft capital moving Petry.

Dadonov - Suzuki - Caufield (maybe Dadonov can boost this value, he does have good motor)
Dubois - Wright - Gallagher (PLD/Wright can take strong side faceoffs, could be good for Wright's transition to NHL by having someone who has been NHL C with him)
Drouin - Poehling - Armia
Pitlick - Evans - Byron
Pezzetta/Dauphin

move Hoffman

 

[Habs Halifax]

Seems really low value. Maybe Anderson+Dvorak+26th. About 10M cap going out, PLD probably going to cost around 9M to re-sign so cancels out. Even then not sure if that's good enough to tempt them to move him to MTL versus a team that might offer younger/cheaper NHL ready futures. Hoping they get Trotz and he wants more depth/physical players that can help them win now:

Connor - Scheifele - Wheeler
Ehlers - Dvorak - Anderson

recoup draft capital moving Petry.

Dadonov - Suzuki - Caufield
Dubois - Wright - Gallagher (PLD/Wright can take strong side faceoffs)
Drouin - Poehling - Armia
Pitlick - Evans - Byron
Pezzetta/Dauphin

move Hoffman

It does seem low but if you find out Dubois won't sign past 2 years unless it's with a team of his choice, it becomes a Trouba situation.

Dvorak and Flames 1st. I'd add the Oilers 2nd but that's as far as I would go.
vs
Pionk and 20th pick

Otherwise, just sit back and wait for him to become UFA. Dubois for the next two years hurts our draft pick position during the rebuild. Interested but only if we are able to buy low due to him wanting to come home.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I wouldn't go that far. They don't need full price Dubois. But if Gorton has another Trouba deal in him (and there is zero evidence Dubois is angling for Montreal, only that he wants to test free agency) then it makes too much sense.

Dubois is probably the very ceiling of what Slafkovksy can be and he's 24. If you can avoid moving Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle and Montreal's 2022, 2023 or 2024 1sts, then you do it. The Trouba analogue would be something around Dvorak and Calgary's 1st.

But again, there's no evidence that this is a Trouba situation.

No evidence it's a Trouba situation yet yes. But if so, that is a good situation for the Habs. He was born just outside of Montreal I believe and my gut tells me he wants to come home.

Lets say this develops more... Dvorak, Flames 1st, and Oilers 2nd gets it done. What contract would be fair for 2 more RFA years and how many UFA years do we buy? I think we would be smart to use Suzuki's contract as a bench mark and if anybody is paid higher, they have to be for sure better. So 8 years at $7.5M? Not sure.

Imagine the luck Gorton would have... Trouba and Fox want to play in NYC and Panarin signs. Habs hire him, we win #1 OA and PLD wants to come to Montreal.

 

[TomKosto]

Dont trade for PLD...if he's ufa in 2 years offer him the moon, but dont trade assets for him.

 

[Goalfield13]

For PLD, while I agree him wanting out of his second team already is not a good look, those two teams are Columbus and Winnipeg lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah, if he wants to sign here in 2 years, that's a good time frame for the rebuild. No rush to trade assets and improve too fast before the next draft.

Agreed. The only way I would engage now is if the cost is low (Dvorak and Flames 1st) and PLD wants to play nice on a long term extension. As the Habs GM and if the Jets call you, you can find this stuff out.

For PLD, while I agree him wanting out of his second team already is not a good look, those two teams are Columbus and Winnipeg lol.

Ever consider that he wanted out from Columbus and to go to Montreal but we didn't have a Laine to trade for him at that point?

Look at how uninspired he was in that Jets/Habs playoff round? Not saying this is the truth but there are some dots you can connect in the guessing narratives.

 

[Goalfield13]

Agreed. The only way I would engage now is if the cost is low (Dvorak and Flames 1st) and PLD wants to play nice on a long term extension. As the Habs GM and if the Jets call you, you can find this stuff out.



Ever consider that he wanted out from Columbus and to go to Montreal but we didn't have a Laine to trade for him at that point?

Look at how uninspired he was in that Jets/Habs playoff round? Not saying this is the truth but there are some dots you can connect in the guessing narratives.

Maybe. It is also possible he was just trying to find his groove with a new team and new role.

I am on the “sign him as UFA” boat, but there is risk. We assume he only wants to come here. What if he is traded to a big market, has success there and then signs with them since they can offer 8 years? I don’t see any small market teams interested in him now. I would offer Josh Anderson as a starting piece to a potential trade now, and see what other pieces the Jets want.

 

[DAChampion]

I think you are pessimistic in your projections.
Looking at the way a lot of draftees played this season, the way they have dominated in their respective leagues , i think that Habs will get more than 2 good players. Also, a team doesn't need to get all players to be "core"player. Players as Evans, Pitlick, Byron, Anderson, Edmundson are good at their respective role even if they aren't elite.

Guhle , Baron, Harris, Roy, Ylönen, Farrel, Mysak are all interesting projects because of the kind of skills they get; good hockey IQ, good reading of the play. I wouln't be surprised if they all make the NHL ( not all with the Habs of course.) Then you add the Mailloux,Xhekaj, Dobes , Primeau, Struble...they aren't as sure shut , but some of them could also ends in the NHL

I agree with you.

I think that when forecasting, there is value in being conservative, but not in assuming the worst case scenario on every variable.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

The Habs are not going to pursue Dubois especially when he says he's going to test UFA.

Winnipeg will trade him as a rental to a team.

Then the Habs can decide to bid on him as a UFA. There's literally 0 to be gained to trade youth and assets for a guy who's wanting to go to UFA.

He also strikes me as mercenary and entitled, as talented as he is.

Edit: until the Habs turn things around, I don't see this team being a preferred destination for free agents (to be). The team will have to draft and develop its way out of these doldrums.

 

[Colezuki]

We're not asking the tough questions
WHAT COLOR WERE THE PYJAMAS

 

[Goalfield13]

The thing with the Jets is, they have Connor, Ehlers, Morrisssey, Poink and Hellebyuk, with an age range of 25 to 29. I don’t see them 100% targeting futures when trading away PLD, Wheeler and Flanders. We can likely get PLD without trading away picks. The west is weak, and they can have a quick turnaround. Assets like Anderson would be valuable to them. My offer would be Anderson (28), Dvorak (26) and a prospect like Farrell for PLD.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

The thing with the Jets is, they have Connor, Ehlers, Morrisssey, Poink and Hellebyuk, with an age range of 25 to 29. I don’t see them 100% targeting futures when trading away PLD, Wheeler and Flanders. We can likely get PLD without trading away picks. The west is weak, and they can have a quick turnaround. Assets like Anderson would be valuable to them. My offer would be Anderson (28), Dvorak (26) and a prospect like Farrell for PLD.

Completely useless. We’re rebuilding and he’s UFA in 2 years.

 

[Goalfield13]

Completely useless. We’re rebuilding and he’s UFA in 2 years.

He’s 25 and can be re-signed.

 

[Whalers Fan]

Completely useless. We’re rebuilding and he’s UFA in 2 years.

Being able to discuss locking him into a new contract would need to be part of any trade discussion before a deal is made. Otherwise, there is no reason to trade assets for PLD right now.

 

[Michelangelo]

He’s 25 and can be re-signed.

Why would we give assets now and risk losing him in 2 years when we could sign him for free in 2 years?

 

[Goalfield13]

Why would we give assets now and risk losing him in 2 years when we could sign him for free in 2 years?

Because, as I said before, there is risk he is traded to a big market and signs long-term. That team can offer 8 years. I would rather get him now, let him be part of the culture, and get a better 8 year deal when the time is right. For Anderson, Dvorak and a B prospect, I would do it every time.

 

[Goalfield13]

Being able to discuss locking him into a new contract would need to be part of any trade discussion before a deal is made. Otherwise, there is no reason to trade assets for PLD right now.

Also, he would have to be open to playing LW.

 

[Wats]

Why would we give assets now and risk losing him in 2 years when we could sign him for free in 2 years?

Don't think it makes sense to move prospects/high picks but roster players like Dvorak/Anderson/Edmundson (hometown boy)/etc I can see making sense. Dubois is just an year older than Suzuki.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Why would we give assets now and risk losing him in 2 years when we could sign him for free in 2 years?

The idea would be to trade for him with the understanding that he’s signing long term. Like the Habs did with Drouin when they got him.

 

[Michelangelo]

Don't think it makes sense to move prospects/high picks but roster players like Dvorak/Anderson/Edmundson (hometown boy)/etc I can see making sense. Dubois is just an year older than Suzuki.

Right, roster players would indeed make sense. But I can see Winnipeg holding out for a bigger package(with a 1st) given that Dubois is still considered as a C by most, and you know the center is a premium position

I'd be opposed to trading a 2023 1st for Dubois fwiw