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Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

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Teravainen is the player I’d be interested in if he becomes a UFA in a couple of years. No need to be chasing players now.

I hope we move both Anderson and Romanov at the draft for a 1st rounder + for each of them. Getting a bunch of draft picks in the same year usually seems to work out - unless you blow it like Boston.
 
Michelangelo said:
Why would we give assets now and risk losing him in 2 years when we could sign him for free in 2 years?
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More importantly, why would we screw up our rebuild now and miss out on other top quality prospects in 2023 and perhaps 2024 ?

I want this team to be bad next season and hope for a top5 pick... Dubois wouldn't help. Let Winnipeg re-sign him to a 1 year contract and let see. Huberdeau might also be available in 2023...
 
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Sterling Archer said:
The idea would be to trade for him with the understanding that he’s signing long term. Like the Habs did with Drouin when they got him.
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Yes. The only way we should engage is if we are a select few teams he would sign an extension with and he also will play nice on the AAV for a long term deal. If that is the case, we are not offering 1/1 value because he is a to 2C. We would use our leverage like the Rangers did with Trouba.

Otherwise, stay put and let him become UFA and try to sign him then.
 
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Frozenice said:
Teravainen is the player I’d be interested in if he becomes a UFA in a couple of years. No need to be chasing players now.

I hope we move both Anderson and Romanov at the draft for a 1st rounder + for each of them. Getting a bunch of draft picks in the same year usually seems to work out - unless you blow it like Boston.
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Bad timing. You will have to overpay on a long term deal for his 30+ years. It's a bad idea chasing UFA's looking to cash in where they start the contract in 30+ years. Gallagher & Price (our own property) are two examples of that.

Teravainen is good but his value is now. How good is he for 30+ years? I say there is risks there cause if he looses some skating, he is not as effective.

There is a chance we move Anderson but I don't think it's this summer. It will take overpayment and a deal we can't refuse like Lehkonen. HuGo value him and I don't blame them. Anderson is signed till 32 and through his prime. His value is not going down in his prime years and we can consider moving him at a later date. For now, he is valuable to us by protecting our youth on the ice.

The only way I consider trading Romanov is if it's in a package to get #2OA from the Devils. Other than that, he's a keeper.
 
MTL-rules said:
More importantly, why would we screw up our rebuild now and miss out on other top quality prospects in 2023 and perhaps 2024 ?

I want this team to be bad next season and hope for a top5 pick... Dubois wouldn't help. Let Winnipeg re-sign him to a 1 year contract and let see. Huberdeau might also be available in 2023...
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Good point but what we think as fans is not the same as management. With Dubois, it's about circumstance. If we can trade for low value and Dubois is willing to play nice on an extension, you don't say no cause we are thinking we win another draft lottery and get Bedard.

Dubois does make us better but does he really turn the needle that much in the short term? Doubt it. Even without Dubois, we are looking at a pick from 5-10 range or 8-12 range IMO. Habs had a lot go wrong this past year and I doubt that happens two years in a row. A new coach for a full season with a different style of play and less expectations heading in. Another draft lottery win is possible but it's very low % of finishing bottom 5 and also winning a lottery.

Also, I value having a core locked up for years. $5M players from past years will be equal to $7M-$8M values with a higher cap in the future. McDavid, Matthews, Mackinnon are getting $15M if they want it in a few years. If we can have Dubois, Caufield, Suzuki around $8M or under, that is not screwing over our cap.
 
Habs Halifax said:
Good point but what we think as fans is not the same as management. With Dubois, it's about circumstance. If we can trade for low value and Dubois is willing to play nice on an extension, you don't say no cause we are thinking we win another draft lottery and get Bedard.

Dubois does make us better but does he really turn the needle that much in the short term? Doubt it.

Also, I value having a core locked up for years. $5M players from past years will be equal to $7M-$8M values with a higher cap in the future. McDavid, Matthews, Mackinnon are getting $15M if they want it in a few years. If we can have Dubois, Caufield, Suzuki around $8M or under, that is not screwing over our cap.
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But the problem is, you won’t get Dubois at low cost. Any playoff team will give the same package or even better than MTL would offer. Montreal are in cap trouble this year. I would acquire Dubois on UFA market, cause he seems to want to play in MTL.
 
Hins77 said:
But the problem is, you won’t get Dubois at low cost. Any playoff team will give the same package or even better than MTL would offer. Montreal are in cap trouble this year. I would acquire Dubois on UFA market, cause he seems to want to play in MTL.
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I don’t know about that. What if PLD won’t commit to longer than 2 years to an inquiring team but will for us? His value would be that of a two-year rental for other teams. What would you give up for that?
 
Michelangelo said:
Right, roster players would indeed make sense. But I can see Winnipeg holding out for a bigger package(with a 1st) given that Dubois is still considered as a C by most, and you know the center is a premium position

I'd be opposed to trading a 2023 1st for Dubois fwiw
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Agreed 100%, no way that 2023 1st is on the board.

Hope there's some Rangers-eque situation where Dubois refuses to sign longterm with any team outside Montreal and Jets get forced into the move. Doubtful but wouldn't it be nice.
 
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Hins77 said:
But the problem is, you won’t get Dubois at low cost. Any playoff team will give the same package or even better than MTL would offer. Montreal are in cap trouble this year. I would acquire Dubois on UFA market, cause he seems to want to play in MTL.
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We don't know. Would a playoff team have the cap space to sign him and be willing to beat Dvorak, Flames 1st, and the Oilers 2nd? For 2 years of PLD? If he tells that team that is willing to dig deep that he also won't sign past 2 years, how do you think they feel about that? Wouldn't you as the GM worry about him being uninspired?

Circumstances we can only guess on. I can see your angle and many others.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
Not sure what his value is but to a team like the Devils, it might be higher than other teams. I read a rumor the other day that the Devils are high on Primeau. True or not? Not sure.

Are you going to complain if we are able to get #2 OA and it takes Anderson, Primeau, and the Flames 1st?
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I won’t complain, but it’s unrealistic.
 
Would Dubois be the perfect winger to play with Caufield and Suzuki ? He's got the IQ and adds some kind of grit.

I would not be ready to give our 1st this year for him but I would be willing to give Calgary's + Dvorak at least. I'd even add Drouin.
 
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Frozenice said:
Teravainen is the player I’d be interested in if he becomes a UFA in a couple of years. No need to be chasing players now.

I hope we move both Anderson and Romanov at the draft for a 1st rounder + for each of them. Getting a bunch of draft picks in the same year usually seems to work out - unless you blow it like Boston.
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Why do you want to trade Romanov for a 1st rounder?
 
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I'd rather pay 10M$ for UFA Huberdeau than 7M$+ for UFA PLD.
I have an issue paying PLD a center salary to have him play LW... but I've said before, a cost-controlled PLD-Suzuki-Caufield line is smexy.
 
durojean said:
Would Dubois be the perfect winger to play with Caufield and Suzuki ? He's got the IQ and adds some kind of grit.

I would not be ready to give our 1st this year for him but I would be willing to give Calgary's + Dvorak at least. I'd even add Drouin.
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He would be a good winger for them but I think PLD wants to play centre and go for that big contract.
 
FF de Mars said:
Best to wait for him to sign as a UFA?
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That is approach #1. Don't call the Jets, let them call you. Then go from there. It's possible the Jets allow permission to Dubois's agent to talk to other teams on an extension and then we get a call from his agent.

Habs won't have difficultly knowing the truth on where PLD wants to sign. If it's the Habs and only the Habs he would sign with, we have leverage. Then use the leverage like the Rangers did with Trouba. Decent offer but not full value. Longer the Jets wait, the less his trade value is.
 
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Kudo Shinichi said:
I would offer Dvorak + 26th + Harris for Dubois.
If refused, I would just wait and try to sign him when he becomes ufa in 2 years.

We do need to make sure that Dubois would be willing to play wing
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Close to my offer of Dvorak, Flames 1st and Oilers 2nd. I would hesitate on trading Harris. If they insist on Harris, my offer is Harris and Dvorak only.

Dvorak would be a decent value contract for them to replace PLD at center. Not going to provide the same but he's a effective middle 2C on a good AAV. Adding Harris on top likely gets the deal done.... if it's the Habs he wants to play for.

I would do sign/trade. I'm only interested if I know what a 7 or 8 year deal looks like. I'm not paying him more than Suzuki. Maybe a bit more $8M max.
 
Kudo Shinichi said:
I would offer Dvorak + 26th + Harris for Dubois.
If refused, I would just wait and try to sign him when he becomes ufa in 2 years.

We do need to make sure that Dubois would be willing to play wing
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If Dubois really wants to play here we should wait for him to hit UFA - why pay a first, Dvorak (who could be flipped for another late first) and Harris, to get Dubois 2 years early when we're not yet competitive.
Totally goes against maximizing asset value and also probably costs us a few spots in 2023 draft capital while still not making us a competitive team in the short-term....commit to the rebuild or hop back on the mediocrity train
 
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McPhees Moustache said:
If Dubois really wants to play here we should wait for him to hit UFA - why pay a first, Dvorak (who could be flipped for another late first) and Harris, to get Dubois 2 years early when we're not yet competitive.
Totally goes against maximizing asset value and also probably costs us a few spots in 2023 draft capital while still not making us a competitive team in the short-term....commit to the rebuild or hop back on the mediocrity train
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No guarantee we get Dubois even if he reaches UFA in 2 years. I'm sure he would be interested in playing for the habs, but I doubt it's the only team he would be interested in. So trading for him now would guarantee us a great core player.

I wouldn't pay the moon for Dubois. Dvorak + late 1st + Harris isn't that big of a cost. Young 6'2 physical 60 pt centers are normally worth a lot more than that.

I don't see us finishing bottom 5 next year even without Dubois, so chances are Dubois would be a bigger core player for us than whoever we draft after pick 5. So dropping a few spots because of the addition of Dubois isn't that big of a problem.
 
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