Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[Championdumonde]

I wonder if Buffalo would be interested in 16oa for Petry + 27oa or 33oa. I would be ok with retaining a bit if needed. Petry at 5M$ + 33oa for 16oa??

Idk but Dahlin, Jokiharju, Samuelsson and Power are their obvious top 4 and a very good young D core. They would be crazy to want Petry, and I'm sure they're aiming for the playoffs next year but they know they're not going too deep with players that young (Quinn probably stays in the lineup next year, Peterka too).

Wouldn't want Petry around new nhlers in a mentoring role, so he will probably end up on a team who is taking a shot at the cup.

 

[ArtPeur]

Depending on the salary receives and who we trade. I feel like Subban would not cost that much and Letang would take Petry's salary. Perron and MAF would take the amalgam of Weber and Price's salary.

You don't have extra players on the roster (and Armia + Byron, they might also be hard to trade) and I'm not sure if you took Romanov's raise into account. Marchessault probably only fits if Armia and Byron are gone. I don't know what you did with Rem and Evans.

You also have 2M$ less on the cap for Alzner's buyout and bonus that carries over for this season.

It's still probably possible but very unlikely. I'm not at home to test it out

 

[durojean]

You don't have extra players on the roster (and Armia + Byron, they might also be hard to trade) and I'm not sure if you took Romanov's raise into account. Marchessault probably only fits if Armia and Byron are gone. I don't know what you did with Rem and Evans.

You also have 2M$ less on the cap for Alzner's buyout and bonus that carries over for this season.

It's still probably possible but very unlikely. I'm not at home to test it out

I actually forgot about Armia and Byron which is a little sad.

I feel like the salaries I'd like to trade are either gallagher who might still have value, Drouin could be a good fit to go but he does fit the quebec region thing of the theory. Maybe for Marchessault we actually send Byron and pick the other way to compensate some salary.

I feel like there are trades to be made to get the effect I want to make. Is it easy... really not.

 

[ReHabs]

And yet nearly everyone of them do it every year.

Gally will bounce back next year. He's dropping weight and will come back strong.

Bad GMs are all over the NHL, the Habs had a very bad one who gave that contract to Gallagher (and wept while doing so).

I didn't realize I was speaking with Gallagher's personal trainer. Can you tell me what was wrong with him the last two years, too many McGallaghers at McDonald's perhaps?

A little early to use the worthless narrative. Lets see what he does next season first. Back to back meh seasons and then yeah, it's a problem. But he will be training hard and I do expect some level of rebound.

I wanted to retain Danault over Gallagher but that's in the past now. Gallagher will be overpaid even if he rebounds yes. Worthless? Not sure I'd go that far.

As a NHL player-asset he has negative value -- worthless.

As a squad player he was on pace for 35 points this season which is not worthless, you're right. Some optimism: with charmless Ducharme gone and a off-season of recovery maybe he will also produce. Some pessimism: he will not get too much PP time once the Habs have skilled players, that was 1/3rd or so of his production this past year.

My take: He's too slow, too weak, too lacking in skills to be relied upon to move the needle in games. His drive and tenaciousness is more or less neutralized by the fact that the refs hate him (penalties, non-goals) and his low stamina. His "leadership" is not just intangible but irrelevant.

I think if he becomes a 20-20 guy who plays middle6 minutes I can tolerate him until it comes time to buy him out in two years.

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On the topic of PK Subban

I didn't watch him play this season but his numbers were bad. His production got worse as the season went on.

If the Habs have no intention to win a single game next year then following the Petry trade I wouldn't mind having Subban on the team just for old time's sake but if, as I suspect, Hughes and Gorton feel like they can show up and surprise some teams... Subban isn't the kind of player profile to whom I'd give a roster spot.

 

[Asif10]

He's never hit 60 points and never will.

He's worthless going forward.

Good organizations don't hang their hats on broken down, overpaid, totally ineffective players based on hype from when they had good seasons half a decade ago.

LA held on to an overpaid guy named dustin brown who was a warrior for them and onverpaid as heck, and they won. Getting rid of gally is not a must.

 

[John B]

I wonder if Buffalo would be interested in 16oa for Petry + 27oa or 33oa. I would be ok with retaining a bit if needed. Petry at 5M$ + 33oa for 16oa??

If he wants out of Montreal he shouldn't be picky, but not sure he waives for Buffalo.

 

[Wats]

Wonder if Habs can pry away Nicolas Roy from Vegas for Evans/Poehling. Zacha/Fiala are the others I'd target on the trade front (Dvorak/Anderson/etc on the way out for them). Run something like:

Zacha - Suzuki - Caufield
Fiala - Wright - Gallagher
LW (Mikheyev?) - Roy - Armia
Byron - Pitlick - Pitlick
Pezzetta/Dauphin

Zacha/Fiala/Roy are all fairly young so should be good when Wright hopefully breaks out.


OUT
Dvorak
Anderson
Hoffman
Drouin
Evans
Poehling

 

[jrom]

Idk but Dahlin, Jokiharju, Samuelsson and Power are their obvious top 4 and a very good young D core. They would be crazy to want Petry, and I'm sure they're aiming for the playoffs next year but they know they're not going too deep with players that young (Quinn probably stays in the lineup next year, Peterka too).

Wouldn't want Petry around new nhlers in a mentoring role, so he will probably end up on a team who is taking a shot at the cup.

Sabres could be a team signing PK Subban for 1-2 year with his brother on the team. Would make no sense for them to give assets to acquire a D they don’t need (Petry).

 

[Sterling Archer]

They aren't moving Gallagher unless he wants to go. This is all a waste of time

Is that because he’s a past hero with a long term future contract?

 

[themilosh]

Getting drunk and puking in a friends kitchen or getting caught shoplifting are stupid teenage antics.

What he did shows a complete lack of morality.

I am all for giving him a chance to redeem/prove himself but someone who does something that stupid will probably get in trouble for something else.

I'm guessing you dont have daughters.

What must he do to "redeem/prove" himself?

and yes I have a daughter.

 

[c3z4r]

LA held on to an overpaid guy named dustin brown who was a warrior for them and onverpaid as heck, and they won. Getting rid of gally is not a must.

They won the two cups prior to giving Brown the contract, not after signing it. They only made the playoffs 3 times since signing Brown to the contract (2014 offseason).

 

[JoelWarlord]

Good organizations don't hang their hats on broken down, overpaid, totally ineffective players based on hype from when they had good seasons half a decade ago.

19-20 and 20-21 were half a decade ago? Yes, I understand it's a bad contract, yes they should trade him if they can, no I don't think he's a good long term investment, yadda yadda yadda. But the tapdancing on his grave is truly bizzare to me.

He scored at his normal 33G/82 game pace as recently as 20-21, and then dealt with injuries in 20-21 followed by a deep cup run, and a 7-8 week offseason before camp started back up again. It doesn't seem particularly unlikely that such a limited offseason would cause lingering problems into the following season. That short of an offseason is a complete aberration, as even cup finalists in a typical year usually have an extra month off vs Montreal's offseason between the 2021 playoffs and 21-22 (eg. the 2019 finals went to a game 7 on June 12th, Montreal lost on July 7th in game 5 last year).

I just think it's extremely premature to write the guy off and dig his grave because he struggled after an extremely compressed offseason and ongoing injuries. Yes I realize that older players have nagging injures and the fact had injuries is not an "excuse" that should make us feel great, but the Habs offseason this year will be probably in the 19-20 weeks range until veterans go back to training camp and "this guy is too old and broken down to bounce back after 8 weeks" does not mean he is doomed to suck forever and can't bounce back after 19-20 weeks to recover and train.

All this to say, I think there's a very real possibility that he bounces back next year and would be much easier to trade.

 

[nhlfan9191]

The deal isn't great, I agree. I'm expecting a bounce back year after he'll be able to recover properly with a normal offseason

He could improve a bit on this season. That wouldn’t be hard to do given just how bad it was. Reality is he looks to have lost a step. Probably two. The sample size is big enough to support it and the eye test is to hard to ignore. People were horrified of Lucic’s contract several years back, but at least he had intangibles that would make him effective in a bottom 6 role if he declined. Right now we have a broken down 5’7 forward that adds nothing to the team eating up a lot of cap in the future years we should be looking to transition into a better team. This is what happens when you throw a blank cheque at players out of emotion. The whole Bergevin crying thing was ridiculous. I love Gallagher as an athlete and player, but he’s an anchor to this team right now moving forward. It’s sad because he was a fan favourite and all the negativity regarding this situation will put a dark cloud over how he’s remembered.

 

[Captain Mountain]

He was declining in 20/21. His playoff run although he scored a big goal in game 7 against the Leafs was bad. And this past season was a disaster. It’s been 2 straight years of this non sense with him. Bergevin handicapped this team extending him.

Really? I never got that impression. And by just box score and advanced stats it was one of his best seasons.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Again I really just think it is a massive leap to watch him play this year after a cup finals run and an 8-week offseason, and just declare he's broken down for good now. The typical offseason for cup finalists is 12 weeks, and given where the Habs are in the standings I think we can pretty comfortably pencil in 20-22 week offseasons for quite a while.

 

[ReHabs]

Again I really just think it is a massive leap to watch him play this year after a cup finals run and an 8-week offseason, and just declare he's broken down for good now. The typical offseason for cup finalists is 12 weeks, and given where the Habs are in the standings I think we can pretty comfortably pencil in 20-22 week offseasons for quite a while.

He was terrible in the cup run too

 

[DougHarvey]

Depending on the salary receives and who we trade. I feel like Subban would not cost that much and Letang would take Petry's salary. Perron and MAF would take the amalgam of Weber and Price's salary.

Subban is the last thing we need. I loved him as a player, but I dont see him as mentor of any sort and he would be a disruption in the room.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Depending on the salary receives and who we trade. I feel like Subban would not cost that much and Letang would take Petry's salary. Perron and MAF would take the amalgam of Weber and Price's salary.

Letang is probably going to cost at least a little over 7 mil on 4 year deal considering the rumoured offer from Pittsburgh (per Friedman). I'd rather keep Petry in that situation TBH,

 

[JoelWarlord]

He was terrible in the cup run too

I think that's overstating things given that line's assignment but yes, he wasn't at his best.

To be clear my whole line of argument here is that I think there's a much better chance of a bounceback and a trade next year. I'm absolultely not arguing that Montreal should keep him long term (of course if he doesn't want to leave there's not much you can do, but if he's open to leaving they should absolutely trade him).

 

[NORiculous]

I have a feeling there's a bigger trade happening involving Weber. If it was just futures being exchanged along with Weber, I would think the trade would have already happened. There must be other players involved. There's also the rumor that the Coyotes aren't the only team interested in the contract, so perhaps the Habs are hanging on to see who's going to cough up the best return? Again though, I would think if it was just picks involved a trade would have already happened.

I’d give a boat load of picks and young players for Keller.

He probably isn’t available but that’s who I’d try to get from the Yotes and am ready to pay big time for him. Anything not names Suzuki, Caufield and Wright.

Keller vs.
Cal 1st + Weber + Dvorak + Anderson + Struble

They probably don’t want Dvorak back either so it could be Ylonen instead. Can add more late picks if they want more picks

I wanted to keep Anderson but not sure what to offer to get their attention.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I think that's overstating things given that line's assignment but yes, he wasn't at his best.

To be clear my whole line of argument here is that I think there's a much better chance of a bounceback and a trade next year. I'm absolultely not arguing that Montreal should keep him long term (of course if he doesn't want to leave there's not much you can do, but if he's open to leaving they should absolutely trade him).

There's a lot they can do. He's got a NMC, but its not a full NMC. He's only got a 6 team no trade list.

 

[Hins77]

There was a trade proposal on facebook, I want to know your reactions guys :

To Washington : Joshua Roy
To Montreal : Hendrix Lapirerre

Personally Im against. Lapierre is 1,2 ppg D+2. Roy is 1,80 D+1. But Lapierre had some games in the NHL.

 

[ArtPeur]

There was a trade proposal on facebook, I want to know your reactions guys :

To Washington : Joshua Roy
To Montreal : Hendrix Lapirerre

Personally Im against. Lapierre is 1,2 ppg D+2. Roy is 1,80 D+1. But Lapierre had some games in the NHL.

It doesn't make sense. It would only be valuable if we wanted a player to play right now on the roster.. and we don't exactly need that

 

[Hins77]

Depending on the salary receives and who we trade. I feel like Subban would not cost that much and Letang would take Petry's salary. Perron and MAF would take the amalgam of Weber and Price's salary.

This is only perception but Letang seems to be a kind of player like Savard last year. Taking less money to be at home in Boucherville, with his youngs kids and his wife wich is doctor. I can be wrong. But Im GM, I take any cheap contract wich could bring asset back at deadline. You can always trade them for picks/prospect. In management point of view, im signing Letang only if Petry is leaving.

 

[Destopcorner]

I wonder if Buffalo would be interested in 16oa for Petry + 27oa or 33oa. I would be ok with retaining a bit if needed. Petry at 5M$ + 33oa for 16oa??

Petry being worth 11 spots in a deep draft... What are you smoking? He's still top4 D and a good one. Any team looking for a RD will consider it because his contract won't be worst than any good UFA this summer.