Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[RationalExpectations]

What cost Dubois??

Imagine a scenario of exchange for Dubois and draft Slafkovsky.

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield.
Drouin - Dubois - Anderson.

No way you re a contender with Drouin Anderson on the second line. A second Anderson in Slaf does not make it better.

 

[HuGort]

I just hope his long Summer holidays will cure his body and he will be able to play fully healthy (if possible) next season"S".


They won't move Suzuki nor Caufield. Only way Dubois come to MTL is IF he becomes UFA someday.

Gallagher been a Habs warrior for 10 years. He has proven his worth

 

[ReHabs]

Gallagher been a Habs warrior for 10 years. He has proven his worth

He's never hit 60 points and never will.

He's worthless going forward.

Good organizations don't hang their hats on broken down, overpaid, totally ineffective players based on hype from when they had good seasons half a decade ago.

 

[DAChampion]

Gallagher been a Habs warrior for 10 years. He has proven his worth

He's proven his worth in those years in which he was a warrior. He has some good seasons, but that doesn't guarantee that he will going forward.

 

[Deebs]

He's never hit 60 points and never will.

He's worthless going forward.

Good organizations don't hang their hats on broken down, overpaid, totally ineffective players based on hype from when they had good seasons half a decade ago.

And yet nearly everyone of them do it every year.

Gally will bounce back next year. He's dropping weight and will come back strong.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He's never hit 60 points and never will.

He's worthless going forward.

Good organizations don't hang their hats on broken down, overpaid, totally ineffective players based on hype from when they had good seasons half a decade ago.

A little early to use the worthless narrative. Lets see what he does next season first. Back to back meh seasons and then yeah, it's a problem. But he will be training hard and I do expect some level of rebound.

I wanted to retain Danault over Gallagher but that's in the past now. Gallagher will be overpaid even if he rebounds yes. Worthless? Not sure I'd go that far.

 

[nhlfan9191]

And yet nearly everyone of them do it every year.

Gally will bounce back next year. He's dropping weight and will come back strong.

He was declining in 20/21. His playoff run although he scored a big goal in game 7 against the Leafs was bad. And this past season was a disaster. It’s been 2 straight years of this non sense with him. Bergevin handicapped this team extending him.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Gallagher has also lost a step in the past few years...if he was faster i could deal with his other problems

 

[Sterling Archer]

Gallagher been a Habs warrior for 10 years. He has proven his worth

As much as I love Galllagher, this isn’t a friendship. It’s a multi million dollar business in an emotional hotbed of a city. Even if he is moved, he’s still getting paid his very generous contract so he won’t be worse off and if traded to a lower tax state, he’d be better off.

Bottom line, you shouldn’t keep a player for past performance. If he doesn’t fit, you move him for the better of the team and the player you’re moving. Just don’t move him to Buffalo and he’ll be fine.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

The issue with Gallagher going forward is our team is going to be playing a faster pace, more puck possession and skilled style of play which doesn't suit Gallagher as he's more suited for the Therrien/Julien grindin' and puck in deep system.

I think he won't be a problem for the next year or two, assuming we pick Wright having a hard working guy like Gallagher on his wing won't be a problem. But once we start getting competitive in 2-3 years, he is going to look out of place given how HuGo have described how they want the team to play.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

I’m bored so entertain me…. would anyone do Tavares ($11M AAV / 3-years) for Gallagher ($6.5M / 5-years)?

Tavares is prob still good enough to hurt the tank.

So no.

 

[Deebs]

He was declining in 20/21. His playoff run although he scored a big goal in game 7 against the Leafs was bad. And this past season was a disaster. It’s been 2 straight years of this non sense with him. Bergevin handicapped this team extending him.

The deal isn't great, I agree. I'm expecting a bounce back year after he'll be able to recover properly with a normal offseason

 

[HuGort]

As much as I love Galllagher, this isn’t a friendship. It’s a multi million dollar business in an emotional hotbed of a city. Even if he is moved, he’s still getting paid his very generous contract so he won’t be worse off and if traded to a lower tax state, he’d be better off.

Bottom line, you shouldn’t keep a player for past performance. If he doesn’t fit, you move him for the better of the team and the player you’re moving. Just don’t move him to Buffalo and he’ll be fine.

Yeah but you can't do that to your past Heroes.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Yeah but you can't do that to your past Heroes.

Why not? Also, I wouldn’t call him a past “hero.”

 

[HuGort]

Why not? Also, I wouldn’t call him a past “hero.”

That's bush league. Days of Marc Bergevin and Markov fiasco. Dump a hero to save a few bucks then never spent it.

 

[Sterling Archer]

That's bush league. Days of Marc Bergevin and Markov fiasco. Dump a hero to save a few bucks then never spent it.

I think bush league is holding on to a diminishing asset that makes you less competitive. I think that’s the definition of bush league and lack of professionalism by an organization.

I’m not watching the Habs to honour their current players in a nightly basis. I’m watching them to win games and be contenders. I’ll love any new/existing players that are part of that. Also doesn’t prevent you from rooting on players on their new teams.

 

[HuGort]

I think bush league is holding on to a diminishing asset that makes you less competitive. I think that’s the definition of bush league and lack of professionalism by an organization.

I’m not watching the Habs to honour their current players in a nightly basis. I’m watching them to win games and be contenders. I’ll love any new/existing players that are part of that. Also doesn’t prevent you from rooting on players on their new teams.

They aren't moving Gallagher unless he wants to go. This is all a waste of time

 

[durojean]

UFA targets for me

Realistic
Letang*because of the rumors
Subban
Perron
MAF

I'd take them anytime if they want to come

Gaudreau
Forsberg

Trade target for me

Marchessault

Asset to give : Petry, Drouin, Hoffman, Gallagher but I'm not sure we can do anything about Drouin and Hoffman so I'll keep them in the line-up

Line up I'd be comfortable to see

Caufield Suzuki Anderson
Perron Dvorak Marchessault
Hoffman Wright Gallagher
Pezzeta Poehling Drouin

Letang Romanov
Subban Edmunston
Savard Barron

MAF/Allen/Montembault

What I try to do : I try to bring back the quebec players to the Habs. Not because they are better or they speak french but because I try to gain an advantage over time on the UFA market. I try to build a team that means something to a brand of players and that will help us convince them to come.

Ex. Huberdeau is UFA in 2 years. He could stay in florida and he does not have any reason to leave.
But : You offer him : Good Salary and play with Suzuki and Caufield and Wright. Probably won't convince him but he sees the potential in the team.

Add to that : You play for your team with players from your region with a coach you'll like and that will expoit you to your best. The players on your team all push in the same direction and most of them are from your own region. Let's play with us, we'll have fun. It gives a reason more and a bigger purpose to only play hockey so that your team wins. It becomes a plus value that always push us in the good direction.

Maybe he'll stay in Florida, but I feel like it gives you a hell of a lot more chance for him to come here. In the best way possible, it could even recreate artificially the sort of monopoly we had of the french players.

For publicity purposes, and for fans identifying to the team, it would also do wonders because you give back the Montreal Canadiens to the region.

Would it really work, I don't know. But I feel that with the market we have now and the crop of ufa available this year. it would be a great start. Because of the avaibility of Perron Letang and MAF. I'd had to that Bergeron but on that I would never hold my breath.

I'm not saying I don't want anyone from the other regions. I'd keep the Price Caufield Wright Suzuki, Romanov. But to that I'd try to add quebec player the more the possible. A lot like the old habs team were built to be honest...

Ps. I know that idea is probably not realistic and I will probably get bashed on it. But I really feel it could work.

 

[blarneylad]

I made zero claims about Wright being worse than any other draftee or not being the BPA. I merely explained how I see why people are including the pick in trade proposals. I also never stated he wouldn't be a very good centre, merely that he might be #2 to Suzuki, who is a very good centre.

As for that nonsense how would you feel, how would you feel if he ends up the 5th best player picked in the top 5 and you had 4 chances to trade down? Both silly questions with no purpose.

Hopefully with St. Louis and new philosophy from upper management down now we stop ruining young players.

I have doubts about Wright, but they come solely from the opinions of others as I have not watched him play.

Hoping we draft him, he succeeds and the Habs have the best 1/2 punch down the middle in decades.

 

[Benstheman]

Instead of trading assets for Dubois now, I think we should wait to sign Huberdeau next offseason

Huberdeau - Wright - Bedard
XXXX - Suzuki - Caufield

Imagine those 5 guys on the PP. While our offense would definately be elite, we would still miss a no.1 D.

 

[blarneylad]

I’m bored so entertain me…. would anyone do Tavares ($11M AAV / 3-years) for Gallagher ($6.5M / 5-years)?

Leafs wouldn't entertain that.

Tavares is prob still good enough to hurt the tank.

So no.

Still good enough?

The guy would be our 1st line ppg center if we had him. He just scored 76 points. We haven't had a centermen hit those point totals since Damphousse in 96-97

 

[BarracudaMtl]

If not Wright.

I would trade for the Ottawa pick and draft center Connor Geekie

1.OV Slafkovsky
7. Geekie

 

[ArtPeur]

UFA targets for me

Realistic
Letang*because of the rumors
Subban
Perron
MAF

I'd take them anytime if they want to come

Gaudreau
Forsberg

Trade target for me

Marchessault

Asset to give : Petry, Drouin, Hoffman, Gallagher but I'm not sure we can do anything about Drouin and Hoffman so I'll keep them in the line-up

Line up I'd be comfortable to see

Caufield Suzuki Anderson
Perron Dvorak Marchessault
Hoffman Wright Gallagher
Pezzeta Poehling Drouin

Letang Romanov
Subban Edmunston
Savard Barron

MAF/Allen/Montembault

What I try to do : I try to bring back the quebec players to the Habs. Not because they are better or they speak french but because I try to gain an advantage over time on the UFA market. I try to build a team that means something to a brand of players and that will help us convince them to come.

Ex. Huberdeau is UFA in 2 years. He could stay in florida and he does not have any reason to leave.
But : You offer him : Good Salary and play with Suzuki and Caufield and Wright. Probably won't convince him but he sees the potential in the team.

Add to that : You play for your team with players from your region with a coach you'll like and that will expoit you to your best. The players on your team all push in the same direction and most of them are from your own region. Let's play with us, we'll have fun. It gives a reason more and a bigger purpose to only play hockey so that your team wins. It becomes a plus value that always push us in the good direction.

Maybe he'll stay in Florida, but I feel like it gives you a hell of a lot more chance for him to come here. In the best way possible, it could even recreate artificially the sort of monopoly we had of the french players.

For publicity purposes, and for fans identifying to the team, it would also do wonders because you give back the Montreal Canadiens to the region.

Would it really work, I don't know. But I feel that with the market we have now and the crop of ufa available this year. it would be a great start. Because of the avaibility of Perron Letang and MAF. I'd had to that Bergeron but on that I would never hold my breath.

I'm not saying I don't want anyone from the other regions. I'd keep the Price Caufield Wright Suzuki, Romanov. But to that I'd try to add quebec player the more the possible. A lot like the old habs team were built to be honest...

Ps. I know that idea is probably not realistic and I will probably get bashed on it. But I really feel it could work.

It can only work with no Salary Cap

 

[Benstheman]

I wonder if Buffalo would be interested in 16oa for Petry + 27oa or 33oa. I would be ok with retaining a bit if needed. Petry at 5M$ + 33oa for 16oa??

 

[durojean]

It can only work with no Salary Cap

Depending on the salary receives and who we trade. I feel like Subban would not cost that much and Letang would take Petry's salary. Perron and MAF would take the amalgam of Weber and Price's salary.