Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 77

[Garry Valk]

I'm really hoping the take a run at adding that #2. Get Wright and Slaf, move some of the vets who won't be able to perform once we are competitive in a few years. What about Dvorak, Mailloux and our late (Flames) 1st?

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm really hoping the take a run at adding that #2. Get Wright and Slaf, move some of the vets who won't be able to perform once we are competitive in a few years. What about Dvorak, Mailloux and our late (Flames) 1st?

If the Habs had the 2nd overall pick....would you trade it for that package?

Having said that, the last thing NJD needs is a center and the late 1st round pick or Mailloux doesn't move the needle in that trade, if they trade this pick it's to get quality NHLer

 

[TannedBum]

Trading a player like Josh Anderson will be a big mistake... he is a perfect top 6 powerforward to complete a C like Shane Wright.

Anderson is one of the worst forwards in the league defensively. The biggest mistake is to put that kind of player on the same line with a rookie.

 

[JRichard]

Getting the Flyers 5th pick is something that could happen. The top forwards should be gone, maybe they don’t care about drafting Jiricek or Nemec (or Savoie).

Petry, Mailloux, Evans, Dvorak, cap hits to be able to UFA sign Gaudreau (JVR for example), something like that + bad GM on Philadelphia’s side

Rd is a big need to Philly. Thats Jiricek or Nemec… they stay put.

 

[Heineman Mineman]

Anderson is one of the worst forwards in the league defensively. The biggest mistake is to put that kind of player on the same line with a rookie.

Well there's Hoffmann who's worst without having to look very far.

I think Anderson would be a fine player to have alongside Wright for a first pro season. But if we move him for an impressive package, I think we have enough vets to put alongside Wright anyways. There's no rush to move him if the price isn't right

 

[Garry Valk]

If the Habs had the 2nd overall pick....would you trade it for that package?

Having said that, the last thing NJD needs is a center and the late 1st round pick or Mailloux doesn't move the needle in that trade, if they trade this pick it's to get quality NHLer

If my team was on the verge of being competitive, yep, there’s a good chance I would. Two firsts (effectively) and a 2nd line centre isn’t a bad return.

 

[Milhouse40]

If my team was on the verge of being competitive, yep, there’s a good chance I would. Two firsts (effectively) and a 2nd line centre isn’t a bad return.

When you have Hischier and Hugues as center, Dvorak becomes a 3rd line center.
And the ''two LOW first'' won't help you to win now and might never will help you win down the road, which is the point of trading a pick like that.

It's not like they're stock with their pick, they might draft a future superstars player with that pick, need to get a top player in return, not a package.

 

[Benstheman]

I disagree with the « tanking at all cost » narrative. Players don’t like to lose so much and you have to be careful to not infuse a losing culture during the rebuilding process.

I think if they are aiming at competing in 2-3 years, they need to start adding core players now. But they need to add the right players. And I don’t think Fiala is that kind of player. If we are to pay a big price for a core player and invest a big salary in that player, we’d be better doing so for a RHD. And those players don’t come along very often so you get them when disponible.

And don’t worry about next year’s draft. This team is so bad I’m pretty sure they would still be bottom 5 even with adding that kind of player.

 

[Beer and Chips]

Suzuki and Caufield need a good two-way winger, that's not Anderson, but I would be very surprised if they can find a replacement this summer.

 

[HuGort]

If the Habs had the 2nd overall pick....would you trade it for that package?

Having said that, the last thing NJD needs is a center and the late 1st round pick or Mailloux doesn't move the needle in that trade, if they trade this pick it's to get quality NHLer

I think Devils want now. Flames pick and Mailloux not what they want.

I think acquire a Fiala type. Make him backbone of deal. Flames first and good prospect will get him. Wild need caproom Farrell and 26th maybe? Then Fiala and Romanov for 2nd. It would be close.

 

[Benstheman]

I think Devils want now. Flames pick and Mailloux not what they want.

I think acquire a Fiala type. Make him backbone of deal. Flames first and good prospect will get him. Wild need caproom Farrell and 26th maybe? Then Fiala and Romanov for 2nd. It would be close.

I wouldn’t mind trading Romanov because we have good lhd prospects coming but the only thing I accept in exchange for him is a chance at a top pair RHD.

 

[FF de Mars]

If my team was on the verge of being competitive, yep, there’s a good chance I would. Two firsts (effectively) and a 2nd line centre isn’t a bad return.

The Rangers wouldn't even take that package for Lafrenière! NJ is on the verge of being competitive indeed, but this deal doesn't improve their team, they're much better off picking Slaf and hoping he blossoms into a star than having a bunch of spare parts. I think Mailloux is underrated, I understand your thinking, but he is a major risk, at this point Slaf has better chances of being the next Jagr than Mailloux the next Subban. I proposed something similar, a little better because it included Guhle and Anderson and CLG's 1st, and it got destroyed on the trade board. Trust me, this is not a good offer and you wouldn't consider it if you had the 2OV. Truth is the Habs don't have the assets for it.

 

[HuGort]

The Rangers wouldn't even take that package for Lafrenière! NJ is on the verge of being competitive indeed, but this deal doesn't improve their team, they're much better off picking Slaf and hoping he blossoms into a star than having a bunch of spare parts. I think Mailloux is underrated, I understand your thinking, but he is a major risk, at this point Slaf has better chances of being the next Jagr than Mailloux the next Subban. I proposed something similar, a little better because it included Guhle and Anderson and CLG's 1st, and it got destroyed on the trade board. Trust me, this is not a good offer and you wouldn't consider it if you had the 2OV. Truth is the Habs don't have the assets for it.

Would you give up next year's first for Slaf? Straight up

 

[FF de Mars]

Would you give up next year's first for Slaf? Straight up

Yes, I would; but I don't think NJ bites.

 

[HuGort]

Yes, I would; but I don't think NJ bites.

A third team would have to be involved.

 

[FF de Mars]

A third team would have to be involved.

Maybe you mean a complex 3 way trade with Arizona and NJ? I wish! I think the Habs will have a better season next year. I bet AZ knows this and wouldn't trade a top pick for a more average pick next year, unless they're convinced this year's draft suck, which is hard to determine.

 

[MilesNewton]

What is the latest on Petry?

 

[Miller Time]

I disagree with the « tanking at all cost » narrative. Players don’t like to lose so much and you have to be careful to not infuse a losing culture during the rebuilding process.

I think if they are aiming at competing in 2-3 years, they need to start adding core players now. But they need to add the right players. And I don’t think Fiala is that kind of player. If we are to pay a big price for a core player and invest a big salary in that player, we’d be better doing so for a RHD. And those players don’t come along very often so you get them when disponible.

And don’t worry about next year’s draft. This team is so bad I’m pretty sure they would still be bottom 5 even with adding that kind of player.

Agree with everything except the last point...

I suspect the opening day roster will be stronger than the season ending roster, even if only marginally/virtue of Suzuki-CC-Romy-Evans-Harris making physical progress in the long offseason. (But I also think we'll see 1-3 veteran upgrades).

That, plus MSL having a full camp, will push the team to playoff bubble on its own... I think there's very little chance we end up bottom 5-7 next year unless we have a serious implosion... And that's assuming Hugo don't aggressively improve the roster.

 

[McGees]

 

[ReHabs]

Guys, the point isn't that I want Kevin Fiala. It is that Kevin Fiala is available and if the Habs wish to compete in 2 years they need to on-board assets who can contribute in 1 year at the earliest. If not Kevin Fiala then someone else, but to complete a REBUILD the Habs need to BUILD (add talent).

The ultra-conservative approach is what Bergevin did when he never acquired talent and still failed to develop talent, it flat out failed. We cannot expect the Habs to suddenly become talent development maestros, it's too much of a change from their outcomes so far... so that means we should still look at trading draft picks and prospects for developed players...

I think the better question is if he's a core piece. Personally, I don't think he is. I think he's closer to the Domi category than a core piece. Nashville and Minny don't think he's a core piece either.

Acquiring Fiala feels like a Bergevin move more than anything else. Making moves to try to always compete more next season without actually doing the hard building work for long term success was his defining characteristic.

Minny think he's a core piece, they cannot afford him. It isn't a Bergevin move to acquire a 80 point player because outside of 20 games of Vanek he never did in ten years. A Bergevin move would be to poo-poo an easily acquirable top player because he preferred to draft the next Ryan Poehling.

convinced YOU'RE Bergevin in disguise.

Bergevin would never trade a first or trade for a first. He wouldn't add talent, he would swap talent. He would "win trades" that made the team worse.

Trading a draft pick and prospect for an 80 point LW in his prime is the opposite of what Bergevin would do.

Fiali does remind me of domi, wouldnt give up much for him honnestly. Lets just tank and wait and see what happens is that such a bad thing to do?

A first + prospect is a good price, isn't it?

Tanking for the sake of tanking won't work, I think I explained above but we don't have any assets left to sell... Byron and Drouin are both negligible both as trade assets and as performers. Next year will be a bottom10 but not bottom5 year, so we should think about building (adding talent) not just treading water and hoping to add talent somehow by magic.

I disagree with the « tanking at all cost » narrative. Players don’t like to lose so much and you have to be careful to not infuse a losing culture during the rebuilding process.

I think if they are aiming at competing in 2-3 years, they need to start adding core players now. But they need to add the right players. And I don’t think Fiala is that kind of player. If we are to pay a big price for a core player and invest a big salary in that player, we’d be better doing so for a RHD. And those players don’t come along very often so you get them when disponible.

And don’t worry about next year’s draft. This team is so bad I’m pretty sure they would still be bottom 5 even with adding that kind of player.

Good post, I agree with the timeline. If the price for Fiala (OR ANY PLAYER LIKE HIM!) isn't huge, it should be considered. Because time is a cruel hammer and it comes whether we plan for it or not.

If there is a RHD top pairing dman available who is in his mid-20s, I'd trade Habs 1st 2023 for him too.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Let's be honest, the Habs are a long ways away from competing, this is only the first year of a rebuild that's going to take at least two years to purge the team of bloated contracts/deadweight and restock the cupboards adequately to build a foundation. We have a few good young pieces, but we have a lot of holes, and there will be growing pains.

It's comforting to know that of the 20 players on the roster of the New York Rangers lineup last night, 16 of them were either drafted or acquired by Jeff Gorton (according to the guy calling the game, I didn't verify it). Makes me feel like he understands what it will take to truly rebuild the club and put them into a position to succeed.

With that in mind, I think one of the big moves of the draft could/will be with the Coyotes. We all know their awful situation, and how Weber's contract was linked there previously at the deadline. It seems like it's a lock that they will acquire him, but what if it's a bigger deal - What if the Habs sent Weber's contract and Dvorak back to the Coyotes (he had just bought a house in Arizona before being traded to Montreal), in return for the first round pick that the Habs gave them last year. Coyotes get a familiar face back and a contract which helps them get to the floor, while the Habs get their pick back. Those two late firsts could be then used as currency to move up for the player they like, or more prospects for the pool.

Seems like a win/win for both teams.

 

[salbutera]

I think Devils want now. Flames pick and Mailloux not what they want.

I think acquire a Fiala type. Make him backbone of deal. Flames first and good prospect will get him. Wild need caproom Farrell and 26th maybe? Then Fiala and Romanov for 2nd. It would be close.

They also need a C, and Guerin was rumored interested in Dvorak - Western Conf teams highly value him combine w cost certainty of his contract

Dvo + Cgy 1st + prospect (not named Guhle) might net Fiala

 

[durojean]

When you have Hischier and Hugues as center, Dvorak becomes a 3rd line center.
And the ''two LOW first'' won't help you to win now and might never will help you win down the road, which is the point of trading a pick like that.

It's not like they're stock with their pick, they might draft a future superstars player with that pick, need to get a top player in return, not a package.

Could a Dvorak Petry or Anderson Petry be something that could interest the devils for that 2nd overall ?

You get a top 4 D-Man and a top 3 center (or a top 6 winger) that are ready to compete right now, You actually put your team over the edge with that deal.

In Anderson's case, Slaf could really well become worse or at the level of that player alone.

 

[Milhouse40]

Could a Dvorak Petry or Anderson Petry be something that could interest the devils for that 2nd overall ?

You get a top 4 D-Man and a top 3 center (or a top 6 winger) that are ready to compete right now, You actually put your team over the edge with that deal.

In Anderson's case, Slaf could really well become worse or at the level of that player alone.

Nope.....

Starts with a Romanov, Caufield or even Suzuki.....other than that, it's not even worth entertaining the idea.
I know, we don't want to trade any of them but that would be the price, even we would need to add to someone like Romanov to get it.

NJD is hunting with that pick and they are not looking for anything else than a young established NHLer.

 

[Benstheman]

Would you give up next year's first for Slaf? Straight up

No i don't. And it's because i'm pretty sure we are bottom 5 team next season and next year's top 5 is better than Slaf, even tough i like him alot. We will also have good odds at picking one of Bedard/Michkov, which is also a big deal.