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I really doubt it takes 3 years for us to be better.... By next season we will have passed them for good! Yzerman is f***ing lostDunno what Yzerman is doing but man i'm almost certain we will have a better team in 3 years.
What an asinine answer.Good idea. We should also move Suzuki to make room for Demidov and Hage at center
If we pay that price many of us will be pining for the glory days of Houle, Bergevin, etc.With the acquisition of Laine to complete our top 6, the Crosby ship has sailed for me. I've stopped day dreaming about it for three reasons,
1) cap space
2) Laine is a two year experiment and we may need the futures we give up for Crosby for a more long term replacement if the Laine thing doesnt work
3) I want to build our young core. I don't see anyone in our projected 25/26 top 6 benefitting from going to the third line.
If we were to go for Crosby, I think the cost would be something like.....
Both 1sts this coming year.
Logan Mailloux
Michael Hage
I really doubt it takes 3 years for us to be better.... By next season we will have passed them for good! Yzerman is f***ing lost
Good idea. We should also move Suzuki to make room for Demidov and Hage at center
With the acquisition of Laine to complete our top 6, the Crosby ship has sailed for me. I've stopped day dreaming about it for three reasons,
1) cap space
2) Laine is a two year experiment and we may need the futures we give up for Crosby for a more long term replacement if the Laine thing doesnt work
3) I want to build our young core. I don't see anyone in our projected 25/26 top 6 benefitting from going to the third line.
If we were to go for Crosby, I think the cost would be something like.....
Both 1sts this coming year.
Logan Mailloux
Michael Hage
Good idea. We should also move Suzuki to make room for Demidov and Hage at center
Crosby won't return that much IMO. That's 4 massive pieces bud. Can you find a past trade that would compare?
What you might overlook is Crosby's NMC. He's not going to open that up to 5+ teams. More like 3 teams max. That means it's a 3 team bidding war.
IMO, Crosby's trade value for one season is...
* 1st rounder (20+)
* Grade A prospect or Young player already in the NHL.
* Other adds that are not 1st round quality.
Find me trades that have both a 1st and a Grade A prospect? Good luck.
Can Fabbro? I haven't watched him much.and Barron cant play his natural position at all.
If Pittsburgh is not competing, a 1st, Mesar, and Konyushov is a fair package for Crosby, particularly if he extends.
Petry wasn't done. Teams wanted him but couldn't fit his contract in.Matheson will turn 31 in the middle of the season. He'll turn 33 in the middle of the 1st season of his next contract. We absolutely should not extend him. I know it's popular around here to think all players are in their prime until 40 but age is not just a number it's a real thing and it does not discriminate. Matheson is likely to age like Petry. They are very similar player with the same weakness and strength.
30 years old Petry (same season as this year Matheson) 46 points -5
31 years old Petry (next season for Matheson) 40 points in 70 games -10
32 years old Petry (1st season of Matheson's next contract) 42 points in 55 games +6 (stanley cup final)
33 years old Petry and beyond (2nd year of Matheson's next contract and beyond) -> cap dump twice in two years
Exactly. I would likely offer a 1st at most. Probably not winning the Cup this season even with Crosby and they can sign him as a UFA after the season if he wants to play for the Habs.If we pay that price many of us will be pining for the glory days of Houle, Bergevin, etc.
It’s interesting because Barron plays scared to the point he gives up ice and position and Matheson is actually really tough. Matter of interpreting “physical” I guess.1.74 hits per 60...
That's not very "regular" even if each of those hits were Scott Stevens-esque
Guessing you didn't watch much of Matheson at 22
If you think players at 22 don't see their games evolve over time, then sure. But in the real world, progression happens.
Matheson at 22 was neither considered a phenomenal puck/stick talent, nor a player who was physically imposing (ie bully). So your inability to "picture" a player like Matheson or Barron at 22 succeeding in the NHL reflects a lack of understanding more than anything else.
I will grant you that being 22 vs 30 is a "world apart" when it comes to NHL development stage... I'd have thought that so obvious as to not need stating, but I guess not for you.
Hits/60 in NHL last year
Barron - 4.09
Matheson - 1.74
Harris - 1.49
Matheson will turn 31 in the middle of the season. He'll turn 33 in the middle of the 1st season of his next contract. We absolutely should not extend him. I know it's popular around here to think all players are in their prime until 40 but age is not just a number it's a real thing and it does not discriminate. Matheson is likely to age like Petry. They are very similar player with the same weakness and strength.
30 years old Petry (same season as this year Matheson) 46 points -5
31 years old Petry (next season for Matheson) 40 points in 70 games -10
32 years old Petry (1st season of Matheson's next contract) 42 points in 55 games +6 (stanley cup final)
33 years old Petry and beyond (2nd year of Matheson's next contract and beyond) -> cap dump twice in two years
Signing Matheson would be doing what we did for 30+ years now and it failed miserably everytime. Matheson is an asset. He is almost certain to be a depreciating asset during his next contract. HE should be traded before his value start to go down.
That will be the same for Matheson. Do you think he'll sign here for peanuts? At one point our ELC and bridge contracts will end and i'd rather not be in a position where i have to unload a 6.5-7 millions Matheson because he's playing like a 4th dman and i can't pay a better kid. Grabs the assets next summer it would be silly not to.Petry wasn't done. Teams wanted him but couldn't fit his contract in.
Depends on a lot of unknown factors.
* What term does Matheson want? Would he stay for 3 years or is he after 5+. What other teams will offer him 5+ at the age of 33 (UFA)?
Of course it's the deciding factor but since it's going to be Matheson's last (and only) big contract and he never got paid i assume he'll want to get paid like Gallagher/Patch/Petry. It's the same situation. Good player. Never got paid. Last big contract.
I assume the minimum Matheson will accept before july is 4 years 6.5 millions and i'm not giving him that as a 32 years old dman.
There are teams that should be willing to offer a 1st/A prospect now. They may not have the cap room though. Tornto needs a point man for the PP for example.Personally, I would be less worried about 32-35 than 36+. The term would very important.
The other layer is when do you trade him? I think that's when he is a pending UFA. By then, Hutson will have a fair amount of NHL experience.
I doubt teams are lining up to give us a 1st and/or grade A prospect at this stage. However, If Matheson continues to put up points and mature in his own zone, his value will be rock solid when he is a pending UFA.
There are teams that should be willing to offer a 1st/A prospect now. They may not have the cap room though. Tornto needs a point man for the PP for example.
Hard to find a comparable to Crosby, so no...I can't find a past trade that would compare.Crosby won't return that much IMO. That's 4 massive pieces bud. Can you find a past trade that would compare?
What you might overlook is Crosby's NMC. He's not going to open that up to 5+ teams. More like 3 teams max. That means it's a 3 team bidding war kind of thing which does limit it a bit.
IMO, Crosby's trade value for one season is...
* 1st rounder (20+)
* Grade A prospect or Young player already in the NHL.
* Other adds that are not 1st round quality.
Find me trades that have both a 1st and a Grade A prospect? Good luck.
We could probably add a 2nd round pick to make the trade more fairMesar for a 94 point Crosby
Robert Dirk, Michael Busto, Steve Ott... Good times!If we pay that price many of us will be pining for the glory days of Houle, Bergevin, etc.
Pending UFAs in their late 30s are never worth a gold mine.Mesar for a 94 point Crosby