Value of: Trade Leon??

[topshelf15]

You missed the point you asked how you add depth when Mcdavid and Dri make so much money well the Leafs are doing it and they are in a much better position than the Oilers became Matthews has other stars around him.

Mcdavid does not have a Nylander or Marner on his wing and he needs that, he needs that caliber of player on his wing.

But faire enough let's use Tampa.

Vasi 9.5
Kucherov 9.5
Stamkos8.5
Hedman 7.8

That's about 35.3 million a little less than Toronto's big 4 but not by much

They make it work.

So this idea that Edmonton can't add depth because Mcdavid and Dri make so much money is odd to me because it's simply not true.

especially since Dri is on a bargain deal at 8.5

Its been their drafting outside of the top picks that has caught up to them.....Finding the excellent 3rd line center,or the great shutdown number 4 defender in the later rounds is crucial to success

 

[TheBloodyNine]

You missed the point you asked how you add depth when Mcdavid and Dri make so much money well the Leafs are doing it and they are in a much better position than the Oilers because Matthews has other stars around him.

Mcdavid does not have a Nylander or Marner on his wing and he needs that, he needs that caliber of player on his wing.

But fair enough let's use Tampa.

Vasi 9.5
Kucherov 9.5
Stamkos8.5
Hedman 7.8

That's about 35.3 million a little less than Toronto's big 4 but not by much

They make it work.

So this idea that Edmonton can't add depth because Mcdavid and Dri make so much money is odd to me because it's simply not true.

especially since Dri is on a bargain deal at 8.5

Tampa gets away with it because of the tax breaks in Florida.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Tampa gets away with it because of the tax breaks in Florida.

No they just know what they are doing it's incredibly impressive

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Draisaitl has given up on the team. The Oilers are desperate. This is not a recipe for teams to offer anything close to full value. If Carolina threw together a package of Aho, Pesce, Necas, Jarvis and a 1st + a 5th, then the Oilers might as well take that rather than wait for a good offer to come their way.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No they just know what they are doing it's incredibly impressive

No, they have been able to sign players for less because of where they are located. They aren't the only ones who are able to take advantage of this either. But whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Giroux (50% retained)
Couturier

for
Drai
yamamoto

That package wouldn't be enough for Drai alone, let alone tossing in Yamamoto as a sweetener.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Draisaitl has given up on the team. The Oilers are desperate. This is not a recipe for teams to offer anything close to full value. If Carolina threw together a package of Aho, Pesce, Necas, Jarvis and a 1st + a 5th, then the Oilers might as well take that rather than wait for a good to come their way.

This kind of offer will never ever be made. That's absurd.

 

[TFHockey]

Draisaitl has given up on the team. The Oilers are desperate. This is not a recipe for teams to offer anything close to full value. If Carolina threw together a package of Aho, Pesce, Necas, Jarvis and a 1st + a 5th, then the Oilers might as well take that rather than wait for a good to come their way.

What the heck are you talking about?

You think that any team is getting Draisaitl at a discount? LOL

 

[glenbuis]

No way a NHL GM trades away a top 2/3/4/5 player in the league in his prime. Too much risk. If the return doesn’t work out , you set the franchise back even further. It would be almost impossible to get full value in trade . If it didn’t work out , the GM would be fired and probably never get another NHL gig and go down in history as the jackass that traded Draisaitl for magic beans.
There is a possibility that a trade could make the Oilers better but no GM is going to stick their neck out and actually trade him.

Only remotely close trade I can think of for a comparison is Thornton . That failed miserably.
Lindross trade is different circumstances but could somewhat be used as a comparison?
I haven’t looked at the initial Lindross trade close enough to know who really “won” the trade.

yeah pretty sure colorado/quebec took philly to the cleaners there

 

[glenbuis]

Draisaitl has given up on the team. The Oilers are desperate. This is not a recipe for teams to offer anything close to full value. If Carolina threw together a package of Aho, Pesce, Necas, Jarvis and a 1st + a 5th, then the Oilers might as well take that rather than wait for a good to come their way.

the difference between aho and draisatl is not all that

 

[glenbuis]

the oilers as carey price used to say should just chill . so the team is facing a bit of adversity . big deal . i'm not even an oiler fan and i have more faith in them than most people . just go get an average goalie on the cheap and your fortunes will improve . i don't mean price either .

 

[AvroArrow]

Tampa gets away with it because of the tax breaks in Florida.

Edmonton has some horrendous contracts though. Kassian, he's on LTIR but that's a bad contract. Keith/Ceci are on horrible contracts. Barrie is horrible defensively, great transition player but you need to be able to defend if you're demanding that kind of money and playing in the top4. Nurse's extension is about 1.5m overpaid but you can live with that since he's their top D. Koskinens getting like 4.5M as well, but expiring contract. Hymans 5.5M is an over payment as well.

They haven't been able to add a good surrounding cast because they've spend that money on bad players. They're spending 13.2M on defence on Keith/Ceci/Barrie and 4.5M on Koskinen. Barrie is probably the only guy that provides some value out of that group, but the defensive liability he is reduces his value. They could have a muchhhh better top 4 with that much money spent. They're not getting nearly enough value out of those 3 D-men + the goalie. The Nurse/Hyman deals won't kill you, both are extremely serviceable players. But the other guys are holding them back.

So in short, they're not getting anywhere near close to equal value out of their players vs dollars spent and that's what's holding them back. In the cap world that's the only thing that matters.

Production
________________ = Value

Cost


Their surrounding cast is negative value.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Are you kidding? Bern... Broberg and a 1st don't go with Draisaitl in any trade. Oilers don't add in such a deal. Grossly favors the rags.

Draisatl is worth more than the package he proposed by itself.

What the heck are you talking about?

You think that any team is getting Draisaitl at a discount? LOL

But Aho+Pesce+++ is probably too much.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Edmonton has some horrendous contracts though. Kassian, he's on LTIR but that's a bad contract. Keith/Ceci are on horrible contracts. Barrie is horrible defensively, great transition player but you need to be able to defend if you're demanding that kind of money and playing in the top4. Nurse's extension is about 1.5m overpaid but you can live with that since he's their top D. Koskinens getting like 4.5M as well, but expiring contract. Hymans 5.5M is an over payment as well.

They haven't been able to add a good surrounding cast because they've spend that money on bad players. They're spending 13.2M on defence on Keith/Ceci/Barrie and 4.5M on Koskinen. Barrie is probably the only guy that provides some value out of that group, but the defensive liability he is reduces his value. They could have a muchhhh better top 4 with that much money spent. They're not getting nearly enough value out of those 3 D-men + the goalie. The Nurse/Hyman deals won't kill you, both are extremely serviceable players. But the other guys are holding them back.

So in short, they're not getting anywhere near close to equal value out of their players vs dollars spent and that's what's holding them back. In the cap world that's the only thing that matters.

Production
________________ = Value

Cost


Their surrounding cast is negative value.

That's absolutely part of it as well.

 

[waitin425]

Something like Suzuki, Romanov, 2022 1st (top 3 protected)

 

[McSuper]

How? RNH, Hyman, Keith are on NMC:s and Nurses 9,25M NMC contract kick in next year. They have nothing tradeable except thoose prospects and picks and have Yamamoto&Puljujärvi to resign. I doubt there are many takers for Kassian, Foegele etc. This is a cap-league. There is no space for new players if you dont make moves.

RNH and Hyman aren't the problems . Yamamoto and Puljujarvi 1 may have to good so good bye Yam . Keith has been ok but his cap hit sucks . Kassian can go . Foegele can stay .

Everyone wants the Oilers top prospect but forget the AVS were a bad team not that long ago but kept their picks and young prospects and are now a powerhouse .

Edmonton should replace everyone except

XXX McDavid Puljujarvi
Hyman Draisaitl XXX
Foegele RNH XXX
Archibald McLeod XXX

Nurse XXX
XXX Bouchard
XXX XXX

XXX
Skinner

Some of the XXX can be filled by prospects if they prove they are ready

Bourgault he would of been better then Yamamoto this year , He was a late cut and really stooped out at camp 2nd line ?
Holloway 3rd line winger ? Maybe 3rd C so bump Hyman and RNH to Draisaitl line
Yes I miss Archibald and want him back
Broberg may be ready for a lessor role . Same of Samorukov .

 

[Draiskull]

What would you be pay more for, long term/extended Draisaitl, or 2 years of Draisaitl?

Draisaitl is signed for 3 more seasons after this , Eichel 4 more at 10M per after this.
Factor in him demanding out and health issues Drai should easily fetch much more.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Can't trade Leon. Would be bad for league if Leon on a different team, outproduced generational Connor.

 

[These Are The Days]

The Oil need to draft and develop better with one set philosophy on how they want to play at the NHL and AHL levels and all their problems will come to an end. Like Tampa gets cited as a reason why the McDavid/Draisaitl salary structure is sustainable but we also don't bust on every 2nd round pick we have for 10 years. We pick a guy, teach him for years and when it's time to come up, he's ready. The Oilers have had the most generational lottery luck I've ever seen in my life and yet guys like Kucherov, Point, Palat and even Johnson at one point in time were all taken 2nd round to not drafted at all but it works all the same because we have a singular philosophy about who we bring in.

There's like 4 dudes who need to be helping this out, not just Holland

 

[drw02]

Holland would never. He's a "stay the course" guy through and through

 

[Buck Dancer]

Or they could add depth around him and Mcdavid which they refuse to do

Not as easy as it sounds, just ask Leaf’s fans… oh wait!

 

[Sniped90]

Giroux (50% retained)
Couturier

for
Drai
yamamoto

add hart and sure

 

[bsu]

Draisaitl has given up on the team. The Oilers are desperate. This is not a recipe for teams to offer anything close to full value. If Carolina threw together a package of Aho, Pesce, Necas, Jarvis and a 1st + a 5th, then the Oilers might as well take that rather than wait for a good to come their way.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

zero chance the oilers could get better value for 8.5 mil than Drai.

A good value contract doesn't win games.

Sometimes you need to give up some value on a piece in order to get ahead. If trading Drai makes the team better (unlikely but possible and something's gotta give in Edmonton) then make the trade.

 

[bernmeister]

Are you kidding? Bern... Broberg and a 1st don't go with Draisaitl in any trade. Oilers don't add in such a deal. Grossly favors the rags.

Not kidding
we keep our mid 20s elite G for uwards of another 10 years
And be grateful I put Lindgren in the equation, even if that was necessited by squeezing cap.