Trade Deadline - What do you see being done?

[Gabriel426]

If I'm GM, Willie has to go. I love him, he's great but the Leafs don't need 4 star forwards and he will definitely be getting paid $10.5+ this summer (and he will hold out for it until he's UFA - Michael's his dad and mentor). I only single him out because they can pry Matthews and Marner from my cold dead foam Leafs finger and there's no way to move Tavares against his will. I would trade him for picks but preferably for a shutdown D or another/better goalie option. Enough's enough with we-can-and-we-will, Ask yourself honestly: does Nylander really change the team's prospects for this year's playoffs? I say no way so what's the point in risking losing another valuable asset to free agency or, in the best case scenario, handcuffing the team even more salary-wise?

#FreeWillie

I agree with you but the problem will still be having 3 players at 10.5mil plus and two of them will be playing on the same line.

 

[Americanadian]

At the same time. If Dubas' moves on to another team he's going to want to argue he left the team in a good spot. Not much motivation to leave a pile of rubble so to speak

I’d argue there’s incentive to empty the cupboards. If you win, you get to stay. If you lose you can say you put your best foot forward while knowing the person who takes over for you is less likely to do any better given the lack of trade capital left.

If I'm GM, Willie has to go. I love him, he's great but the Leafs don't need 4 star forwards and he will definitely be getting paid $10.5+ this summer (and he will hold out for it until he's UFA - Michael's his dad and mentor). I only single him out because they can pry Matthews and Marner from my cold dead foam Leafs finger and there's no way to move Tavares against his will. I would trade him for picks but preferably for a shutdown D or another/better goalie option. Enough's enough with we-can-and-we-will, Ask yourself honestly: does Nylander really change the team's prospects for this year's playoffs? I say no way so what's the point in risking losing another valuable asset to free agency or, in the best case scenario, handcuffing the team even more salary-wise?

#FreeWillie

Is there a precedent for someone with Nylander’s production relative to his teammates getting 10.5M?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I agree with you but the problem will still be having 3 players at 10.5mil plus and two of them will be playing on the same line.

Agreed so we should avoid making it 4 making $10.5+ on two lines.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Is there a precedent for someone with Nylander’s production relative to his teammates getting 10.5M?

Since when does it work like that? The market is the market. Nylander's on pace for 93 points and 44 goals and will be UFA in 5 months. Someone is paying him that much and that's the rumoured ask. His father had a history of holding out until UFA for the best offer from the highest bidder, which I think is relevant. I'm guessing they talk.

 

[Mess]

I’d argue there’s incentive to empty the cupboards. If you win, you get to stay. If you lose you can say you put your best foot forward while knowing the person who takes over for you is less likely to do any better given the lack of trade capital left.

Dubas is a lame duck GM with an expiring contract in a Burn-the-Boats season where playoff success is almost mandatory to save his job.

With these conditions on the table, nothing is off the table in terms of dealing futures and assets.

Every season since Dubas became GM he has traded Leafs own 1st round pick away, to stock up for the playoffs or simply to get out of cap hell of his own making,

Hang on to your hats because anything is possible,

PS. The only thing I don't think he would do is trade one of the core 4 forwards as that is the hill he is willing to die on to prove everyone wrong that you can win playing those players 1/2 your cap.

 

[Gabriel426]

Agreed so we should avoid making it 4 making $10.5+ on two lines.

Yep, while at the same time, Keefe needs to figure out how to play three 10.5mil players on three different lines.

Since when does it work like that? The market is the market. Nylander's on pace for 93 points and 44 goals and will be UFA in 5 months. Someone is paying him that much and that's the rumoured ask. His father had a history of holding out until UFA for the best offer from the highest bidder, which I think is relevant. I'm guessing they talk.

Willie is a UFA in 2024 Summer not this summer.

I do think if he is unwilling to extend with reasonable terms, he needs to be traded bc looking at what Horvat got, better trade him in summer than before the TDL.

 

[Morbo]

Yep, while at the same time, Keefe needs to figure out how to play three 10.5mil players on three different lines.


Willie is a UFA in 2024 Summer not this summer.

I do think if he is unwilling to extend with reasonable terms, he needs to be traded bc looking at what Horvat got, better trade him in summer than before the TDL.

and I suppose thank god for that, as we get a chance to see if this year's new level is a one off or simply natural progression. and to figure out what he wants well in advance. the willy we're seeing this year is a player any Cup champ would want.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Every season since Dubas became GM he has traded Leafs own 1st round pick away, to stock up for the playoffs or simply to get out of cap hell of his own making,

So, at last year at the draft you would have rather seen Dubas keep their 2022 1st round pick and not use it to get rid of Petr Mrazek?

Also, Dubas kept the Leafs 2018 1st round pick and traded down from 25th to 29th and used it to select Rasmus Sandin. That means you can't say he always traded it away for the playoffs or to get out of a bad contract he was responsible for giving out.

 

[Racer88]

So, at last year at the draft you would have rather seen Dubas keep their 2022 1st round pick and not use it to get rid of Petr Mrazek?

Also, Dubas kept the Leafs 2018 1st round pick and traded down from 25th to 29th and used it to select Rasmus Sandin. That means you can't say he always traded it away for the playoffs or to get out of a bad contract he was responsible for giving out.

Good point but I would have rather he not signed the train wreck named Mrazek in the first place much like the train wreck that has been Murray this year. I wonder what it’s going to cost to dump him

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Yep, while at the same time, Keefe needs to figure out how to play three 10.5mil players on three different lines.


Willie is a UFA in 2024 Summer not this summer.

I do think if he is unwilling to extend with reasonable terms, he needs to be traded bc looking at what Horvat got, better trade him in summer than before the TDL.

OMG I thought it was this summer. Ugh, thanks.

 

[Americanadian]

Since when does it work like that? The market is the market. Nylander's on pace for 93 points and 44 goals and will be UFA in 5 months. Someone is paying him that much and that's the rumoured ask. His father had a history of holding out until UFA for the best offer from the highest bidder, which I think is relevant. I'm guessing they talk.

He’s a UFA in 17 months. I’d be shocked if he gets 10.5M. Gaudreau is an objectively better player and got 9.75M in UFA.

 

[Racer88]

If Dubas does anything it will be for this type of player.
A player that had a good productive season 2-3 years ago but has struggle the last 2 season and can be had cheap. That’s Dubas’s type of gambling mostly because that’s all the team can fit in because of the current cap structure.
this has been his goal tending play book and it will be used this deadline

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

He’s a UFA in 17 months. I’d be shocked if he gets 10.5M. Gaudreau is an objectively better player and got 9.75M in UFA.

Yes, I was corrected on that, thanks (I wish someone could have saved me from myself earlier). I'd say right now he'll be using Huberdeau's $10.5 as his closest comparable due to it being recent and he has a current whopping 33 points.

 

[Americanadian]

Yes, I was corrected on that, thanks (I wish someone could have saved me from myself earlier). I'd say right now he'll be using Huberdeau's $10.5 as his closest comparable due to it being recent and he has a current whopping 33 points.

Look at his production prior to the contract though. Huberdeau put up 115 points and had 4 straight seasons of over a point per game. You can't compare post contract production.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Look at his production prior to the contract though. Huberdeau put up 115 points and had 4 straight seasons of over a point per game. You can't compare post contract production.

Willie's agent next winter "We can and we will."

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yes, I was corrected on that, thanks (I wish someone could have saved me from myself earlier). I'd say right now he'll be using Huberdeau's $10.5 as his closest comparable due to it being recent and he has a current whopping 33 points.

How much of Huberdeau getting $10.5 was Calgary overpaying to make sure he wouldn't have left as a UFA after this season, because they had already lost Gaudreau as a UFA and were forced to trade Tkachuk.

 

[Leaf Army]

They need to do something fairly major but giving up top assets for a pure rental is too risky for this team right now.

Also they will likely have a fair amount of payroll flexibility for next season (23-24) but very little for the following season (24-25).

Since signing an impact player to a one-year deal this offseason is very unlikely, all signs point to Dubas giving up some significant assets for a player with some term on his deal.

If he’s giving up pure futures he’ll look for someone who’s contract will be up after next season because he won’t be able to afford him past that. If he gives up a young roster player who will be due a raise in a couple years he might be willing to take on someone with a bit more term.

Personally I really hope he holds onto Knies and Robertson. They desperately need entry-level contributors for the next three seasons. Robertson is too good to trade while his value isn’t great. And Knies has the added bonus of potentially being able to contribute this year almost like a free trade deadline acquistion.

 

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Jakob Chychrun?

 

[TMLAM34]

I think you need to re-sign Nylander this off-season and if you can’t, you look into a potential trade. Can’t take the chance in loosing someone of that caliber for nothing.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I think you need to re-sign Nylander this off-season and if you can’t, you look into a potential trade. Can’t take the chance in loosing someone of that caliber for nothing.

Doesn't exactly the same apply to Matthews?

 

[MarMarSab3]

Doesn't exactly the same apply to Matthews?

Agree on both fronts

 

[Menzinger]

Willie's agent next winter "We can and we will."

He can ask for whatever he wants, but if no GM agrees to pay him well above his comparables (guys like Flip Forsberg, Fiala, ect) he's going to have to take the market rate.

Kadri just had a season where he was on pace for 100 points - but still ultimately signed his market rate as a 2C

 

[MarMarSab3]

He can ask for whatever he wants, but if no GM agrees to pay him well above his comparables (guys like Flip Forsberg, Fiala, ect) he's going to have to take the market rate.

Kadri just had a season where he was on pace for 100 points - but still ultimately signed his market rate as a 2C

Willy is going to get 9.5 to 10 from someone

Naz was 31 for his deal Willy will be 27 for his

 

[Menzinger]

Willy is going to get 9.5 to 10 from someone

Naz was 31 for his deal Willy will be 27 for his

I think based on the closest comparables Nylander end up with about 10-11% of whatever the official cap is when he signs the deal (around 8.5-9.5 mik if signed today)

 

[peconcan]

If were going for Chychrun I’d like to see Crouse coming with him. We have to move out Kerfoot to for it to work cap wise.
In:Chychrun Crouse
Out:Sandin Kerfoot picks/prospects

Playoff Lineup
Bunting Matthews Marner
Crouse JT Nylander
Knies Kampf Jarnkrok
Engvall Holmberg ZAR

Rielly Chychrun
Brodie Gio
Lily Holl/Timmins/Muzzin?