Trade Deadline Thread | Current Status: Medium Chaos

[lawrence]

very worried about the canucks defense. still need two in case. pushes down juuelssn and friedman to pressbox

Dhaliwal said the Canucks think they got a better off for Tanev than Dallas. Ok fine.

but hopefully that wasnt it for the hunt for another RHD. I think a RHD is more important to us right now than another winger. Although adding one is still better than nothing.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Still need more skulls for the skull throne and blood for the blood god.

Vector cares not from whence the rentals flow...!

 

[valkynax]

Given how things have turned out around the league I'd say it's definitely near maximum Chaos.

 

[wonton15]

 

[Wry n Ginger]

Trade deadline is all about seeing where players land and assuming there teams get the gold'star 100% results from them. Just like we got from Lindholm? Point being big aquasitions don't always pay off like they should

I have no problem going into the playoffs with Lindholm in the lineup.
Dude has looked ok and I think if he focuses on the grit results he can play the type of grinding playoff game we need.

A lot of teams made 'other moves:
..but only one made the right moves...or non moves...we'll see

 

[PG Canuck]

Why is Jake Guentzky not on my favourite team yet

 

[oceanchild]

That return for Hanifin - who is a top-20 NHL defender - is absolute garbage. What an absurd heist for Vegas.

And yeah, makes the Lindholm trade look shit.

Miromanov is worthless so basically they just got a 2025 1st.

I been thinking about the Lindhom trade and the value we gave.

1) we were early and had to pay a premium to get this trade done before the deadline
2) apparently we had to pay a premium because we are a Canadian franchise (Calgary will regret this in time)
3) this trade was done to move the leverage back to Vancouver with Pettersson. In the event they traded him, or he asked for a trade when they forced the issue, the season would not be lost. Pure game theory IMO.
4) having him allowed the Canucks to pull the power move they did and get Petey for the cost they did. The trade needs to be viewed through that lens.

I am stunned by the improved competence of this management team. To go from Benning to this is amazing. Should note, this is clearly 0% ownership and 100% Rutherford.

I have no issue with the Lindholm trade even if we sell him for a loss.

Getting out ahead of the trade deadline apparently isn't a good strategy if it turns out to be a buyer's market.

It was a much deeper play than that. It was insurance for petey if that situation went sideways

 

[oceanchild]

Conroy has sucked on every deal but Lindholm

What was the cost of moving on Kuzmenko? In the past that vakus has been like a 1st. We got Lindholm for like Bruz, jurmo and a 4th.

Conroy got taken on that trade as well

 

[ChilliBilly]

I been thinking about the Lindhom trade and the value we gave.

1) we were early and had to pay a premium to get this trade done before the deadline
2) apparently we had to pay a premium because we are a Canadian franchise (Calgary will regret this in time)
3) this trade was done to move the leverage back to Vancouver with Pettersson. In the event they traded him, or he asked for a trade when they forced the issue, the season would not be lost. Pure game theory IMO.
4) having him allowed the Canucks to pull the power move they did and get Petey for the cost they did. The trade needs to be viewed through that lens.

I am stunned by the improved competence of this management team. To go from Benning to this is amazing. Should note, this is clearly 0% ownership and 100% Rutherford.

I have no issue with the Lindholm trade even if we sell him for a loss.

Regardless, the Lindholm trade is looking like an overpayment.

We have our core set up for years, and we need to play both the short game and the long game. We should not be overpaying for rentals. The chatter is that extension talks are not going well. Neither is his play. At least he is good defensively (so far), so we will see where we end up.

But I will be pissed if give up any of our top 5 assets for any of the rentals. (Willander Lekkerimaki EP2 Pods 2025 1st)

 

[ChilliBilly]

What was the cost of moving on Kuzmenko? In the past that vakus has been like a 1st. We got Lindholm for like Bruz, jurmo and a 4th.

Conroy got taken on that trade as well

Bullcrap

Kuz has played as well as Lindholm. So we gave up a 1st, Bruz, + for a mediocre rental. I would say we lost that one if
1. Lindholm doesn't start playing better
2. We are unable to re-sign him for a reasonable amount.

My money is that he starts to chip in a bit better, but still overpaid, and that we decide he is not worth what he wants ... as I said on the day we acquired him, think we overpaid unless we are both able to re-sign him, and want to re-sign him.

 

[PG Canuck]

Carolina might save us from ourselves so we can pivot and just go get Toffoli.

Toffoli + Duhaime (or someone similar) is arguably as impactful as Guentzel. And I’m probably one of the bigger Guentzel fans.

I’m hoping JR bullies that dweeb Dubas mostly for the fact of how a few Pens fans have acted on the trade board expecting a massive haul.

 

[oceanchild]

Mik 4 ryjo who says no

Us, Mik plays defence at least

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Presented without comment:

i don’t care what they say about us anyway, i don’t care about that

 

[PG Canuck]

Mik 4 ryjo who says no

Have you ever seen that out of slug play? Mik sucks but Johansen is a different level of terrible.

 

[oceanchild]

Bullcrap

Kuz has played as well as Lindholm. So we gave up a 1st, Bruz, + for a mediocre rental. I would say we lost that one if
1. Lindholm doesn't start playing better
2. We are unable to re-sign him for a reasonable amount.

My money is that he starts to chip in a bit better, but still overpaid, and that we decide he is not worth what he wants ... as I said on the day we acquired him, think we overpaid unless we are both able to re-sign him, and want to re-sign him.

you have to separate the two, no one was taking Kuz for free. What was the cost of moving off that contract.

Lindholm was the number one asset as viewed by basically everyone so what should have been that cost. Not all trades work out, irrespective of the player and how much was paid.

What value to do you give to having a security option should they need to trade Pettersson and not be forced into having to get a Center back, but being able to try and maximize the return.

If you think they traded Lindholm without consideration for the Pettersson situation, then maybe this looks worse.

All of that said, none of this matters if he stays and starts to play better. He can still provide what we need, he has it in him.

Carolina might save us from ourselves so we can pivot and just go get Toffoli.

Toffoli + Duhaime (or someone similar) is arguably as impactful as Guentzel. And I’m probably one of the bigger Guentzel fans.

I’m hoping JR bullies that dweeb Dubas mostly for the fact of how a few Pens fans have acted on the trade board expecting a massive haul.

Given the trades we have seen, it would appear those fans will be underwhelmed.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Us, Mik plays defence at least

This keeps getting repeated but is it even true.. avg defense at best. Ryjo can play Centre atleast(?), hometown bump, or stay in the minors, or get bought out, has a shorter term, all seem nearly equivalent to some version of "mik has defensive utility".

See below...

Have you ever seen that out of slug play? Mik sucks but Johansen is a different level of terrible.

Tbf no, can't say I've noticed ryjo at all and avs fans seem to hate him, I'm not sure I would've been able to say he was even in the league and certainly not at 2x4m. Probably makes sense why he's not anymore..

 

[PG Canuck]

Tbf no, can't say I've noticed ryjo at all and avs fans seem to hate him, I'm not sure I would've been able to say he was even in the league and certainly not at 2x4m. Probably makes sense why he's not anymore..

The Avs thinking he could work in their up tempo system was pretty bonkers. Start of the year they had him PP1 and of course their PP1 stays out basically the entire time, Johansen looked like he needed a defibrillator.

I’m surprised MacKinnon put up with it as long as he did. RyJo is best suited now for a team like SJ but any team with a hope to go anywhere would be better off to just go with 11F and 7D.

 

[VanJack]

Bullcrap

Kuz has played as well as Lindholm. So we gave up a 1st, Bruz, + for a mediocre rental. I would say we lost that one if
1. Lindholm doesn't start playing better
2. We are unable to re-sign him for a reasonable amount.

My money is that he starts to chip in a bit better, but still overpaid, and that we decide he is not worth what he wants ... as I said on the day we acquired him, think we overpaid unless we are both able to re-sign him, and want to re-sign him.

Uh, no, I don't think so. I watched Kuzmenko closely in the recent Kraken-Flames game, which ended in a 4-2 loss for Calgary.

Kuzmenko got two goals on the pp, which is his specialty. But his play away from the puck was as shaky as it was in Vancouver. He's just not a player who would ever have fit into Tocchet's defensive system. Whereas Lindholm is a guy Tocchet is comfortable plugging in anywhere.

I'd be surprised if Kuzmenko is even back with the Flames next season. I predict they'll want to get out from under his cap hit and will try to deal him in the off-season.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Bullcrap

Kuz has played as well as Lindholm. So we gave up a 1st, Bruz, + for a mediocre rental. I would say we lost that one if
1. Lindholm doesn't start playing better
2. We are unable to re-sign him for a reasonable amount.

My money is that he starts to chip in a bit better, but still overpaid, and that we decide he is not worth what he wants ... as I said on the day we acquired him, think we overpaid unless we are both able to re-sign him, and want to re-sign him.

No.

Just no.

 

[PG Canuck]

Vegas is truly the class of the league. Literally just bullied Conroy with those conditions. That’s embarrassing.

 

[lawrence]

Kuz has played as well as Lindholm.

No way . Absolutely not.

He’s done everything but light the up the score sheet. He’s been fine.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

No way . Absolutely not.

He’s done everything but light the up the score sheet. He’s been fine.

Would not go that far.

 

[Tact]

I think one of Canucks main issues is adding someone for their PP. Our 5on5 play has been good.

Guentzel or Toffoli better on PP? Do the Canucks need a LH shot or RH shot? We all know Tocchet really into which way the player shoots. When Horvat was here, I remember Toffoli replacing Boeser (RH shot) from the first unit.

Can Guentzel replace Horvat in the bumper spot?

Guentzel has 4 PPG, 13 PPP
Toffoli has 8 PPG and 14 PPP

Guentzel has huge gap on 5on5 play from Toffoli.

 

[oceanchild]

Vegas is truly the class of the league. Literally just bullied Conroy with those conditions. That’s embarrassing.

I hope we do the same to dubas

It’s clear the offers are not close to what he wants…. “They are evaluating” …. Like they haven’t been pre scouting and didn’t have an action plan.. was he caught of guard? Doesn’t seem like he should be a president and GM if so.

I hope we pay the same as Vegas did for Hafinin

 

[VanJack]

Just hoping the Canucks add some low-cost depth by Friday's TDL, and not another blockbuster.

They've already done more than a lot of teams, adding Lindholm and Zadorov. But the price was heavy in terms of future draft picks.

Unfortunately if they want someone like Guentzel, it's going to cost them in the currency Pittsburgh is after--namely prospects. So that means Podkolzin, Wilander, Lekerimakki, D-Petey or even Raty might all be in play.

Far too high a price to pay for a rental like Guentzel.